Premier League 22/23 Thread

[weasel]

He's running at full tilt and knows FA about it hitting his hand. Under the current rules that is a pen, no arguments, but the current handball rule is a joke. If that's in the middle of the pitch no one bats an eyelid at it.

Anyway, fair ****s to WH nice to see someone else win a European trophy.
I even watched the post match celebrations for once. Normally I just turn it off at the FT whistle cos I don't want to see Utd/Chelsea or Real celebrating. I'll do the same if/when City win on Sat. Given their FFP cheating I have no desire to see them celebrate a trophy they won by cheating.

 

[SAVORY100]

Perfect appointment for me
- experience of turning round basket cases
- works with developing players rather than needing stars for his ego
- wins stuff ( so he'll probably have to get used to that one not working out)
- happy to let unhappy players do one
- straight talker
Happy Spurs fan… first time in a few years!

 

[lejackal]

And I suppose the related question is…..sell Kane to fund the rebuild or keep Kane and dig down the back of the sofa?

 

[weasel]

Is Kane not in the last yr of his contract? So he goes for free nxt summer?
i think he's about 30 now too so his transfer value will stop to drop regardless.


I suspect if Real offer 100m Levy takes it. Which is probably the sensible decision. But it puts a lot of pressure on an unproven (in PL terms) manager to galvanised a team AND replace their best player/main goal scorer.

 

[lejackal]

Is Kane not in the last yr of his contract? So he goes for free nxt summer?
i think he's about 30 now too so his transfer value will stop to drop regardless.


I suspect if Real offer 100m Levy takes it. Which is probably the sensible decision. But it puts a lot of pressure on an unproven (in PL terms) manager to galvanised a team AND replace their best player/main goal scorer.

They would definitely have to use the money more wisely than they did after selling Bale

 

[Robstyley]

Only just seen this. Yeah what a night, what a result! Massive for the club. Chuffed for them, and for Moyesey. Hammers are buzzing all over Essex and East London. Not the greatest game I'll agree. Although they had a lot of possession they didn't really trouble our defence and Areola was great. Penalty was unfortunate for the Fiorentina player but he has to give it. The ball came off Bowens' chest and he pushed it away and changed its direction with his hand, it's a penalty. Benny done the business. Then when Bowen scored, what a glorious moment! I was leaping around the lounge like a lunatic, Rach telling me to shut up cos I'll wake the kids I've been going up West Ham since the Trevor Brooking days and it's one of the best nights ever that I remember. @Cazza Yes we bloody well did do it matey

 

[edd_jedi]

Now admittedly I didn't watch too many West Ham games this season, but can anyone explain to me why Declan Rice is apparently worth £100m? Everyone says Son had a terrible season (which is true compared to the previous few) but in less games he scored more than twice as many goals, and three times as many assists. And everyone laughs at Levy wanting 100m for Kane. So how is Rice worth anywhere near what they are?

 

[lejackal]

Not that I think he's worth 100 but you can't really compare a 6 with a 8/11 for goals scored

 

[edd_jedi]

Yes true, I was just noting they are both midfielders. So serious question, what does he bring if not assists? He's barely any better than Eric Dier who is an actual defender and universally agreed to be terrible

 

[lejackal]

Yes true, I was just noting they are both midfielders. So serious question, what does he bring if not assists? He's barely any better than Eric Dier who is an actual defender and universally agreed to be terrible

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Also vs Partey he is significantly less likely to get accused of having a side hustle as a therapist*

 

[Cazza]

The boy is absolute mustard. If comparing with Son, you could say 'Son has barely made any tackles or interceptions, compared to Rice, so what does he bring?' Rice is a CDM, they are utterly different players. Comparing him to Dier is laughable. Rice is a far, far better player all round.

His reading of the game is superb, timing of tackles and interceptions, passing accuracy, transition (he can travel!), attitude, never gets injured. If he's freed up more, he can score goals. Sometimes, when you watch a game, he can go under the radar, doing all the tidying up etc, however, if you focus on him, you see the whole game. He's a superstar. He's also only 24, one of England's top players, with 2 years left on his contract. Kane is 30 with 1 year left?

 

[edd_jedi]

Yes fair point, that's just my ignorance from not watching him closely, I didn't even realise he was a defensive midfielder (because nobody behind the half way line ever seems to cost over 50m!) and yes good point re: his age. @lejackal would you be happy picking him up for 92m as reported? Still seems like a hell of a lot of money (although 80m Maguire puts it into perspective!)

 

[weasel]

As someone who spent 20yrs playing DCM, albeit in a different sport, I do notice a good and bad DCM when I watch football and Rice is definitely in the former category.

I didn't think he was THAT good until I saw him when Pool played WH, he really impressed me. As @Cazza says he does the tidying and intercepting, the kinda stuff that can go unnoticed but that is utterly crucial to a team. And he does it bloody well.

Is he worth the rumoured 100m ish….hhmmm. Putting aside the fact that no one is and football is crazy, he is young, english (I did laugh at all the ROI fans moaning when he switched allegiances, funny they don't like it when someone does it to them but when they do it to half the players eligible to play for NI it's fine ) has two years left on his contract, WH don't need to sell and it is a big club coming in for him. Each one of those probably adds 10m to his price.

 

[lejackal]

Sadly I think 80-100 is the new 50-80. Players aren't really worth 50, never mind 80-100. I think to try and buy top English PL proven talent the price is the price.
I'm surprised Liverpool got Mac Alister out of Brighten for such a (relatively) low fee - we seem to get rinsed on every deal with them

 

[edd_jedi]

Yeah that's kind of what I mean - 100m should be prime Messi, Ronaldo, Haaland, or 2019 Kane money. Spending that much on every Brighton defender seems a bit extreme!

 

[Cazza]

Yeah, Mac Alister seems like a relatively good deal, in the current climate. Quite a few add-ons though, I think.

 

[weasel]

McAllister looks like a bargain. No guarantees he will be any good, but the price is great for Pool.
35m up front (that may be paid in instalments i dont know) and 20m in add ons. I have no idea what the add ons are or how realistic they are, but that's still very good value in football terms.

Now watch him snap a cruciate in pre season.

 

[weasel]

Sadly I think 80-100 is the new 50-80. Players aren't really worth 50, never mind 80-100. I think to try and buy top English PL proven talent the price is the price.
I'm surprised Liverpool got Mac Alister out of Brighten for such a (relatively) low fee - we seem to get rinsed on every deal with them

All joking aside, Utd's transfer record since Fergy left is ****ing woeful. How many of their signings can actually be said to be good value? Fernandes, ehhh……Shaw? What did you pay for Shaw?

I'm reserving judgement on players who have only been there for a year or less, tho Varane, Casemiro and Martinez all look solid enough, but they came with huge price tags.

If we look at players who were pish value, Pogba, Maguire, AWB, Di Maria, Sanchez, did Ronaldo justify his wages/fee?

Every club has poor signings, hello Andy Carroll and bye bye Naby Keita/Ox, but Utd seem to specialise in getting their pants pulled down. Maybe Edd Woodward was just **** at transfers.

 

[lejackal]

All joking aside, Utd's transfer record since Fergy left is ****ing woeful. How many of their signings can actually be said to be good value? Fernandes, ehhh……Shaw? What did you pay for Shaw?

I'm reserving judgement on players who have only been there for a year or less, tho Varane, Casemiro and Martinez all look solid enough, but they came with huge price tags.

If we look at players who were pish value, Pogba, Maguire, AWB, Di Maria, Sanchez, did Ronaldo justify his wages/fee?

Every club has poor signings, hello Andy Carroll and bye bye Naby Keita/Ox, but Utd seem to specialise in getting their pants pulled down. Maybe Edd Woodward was just **** at transfers.

Long may Utd buying dross continue, sadly I think ETH will have more of a say and steer them in the right direction

 

[theforceuk]

@weasel I agree on City tomorrow night, I love the spectacle of the Champions League final but it will be a hard watch knowing that City have literally cheated and bought their way to a treble.

All Ten Hags signings have been good so far, apart from Anthony and that wasn't Ten Hags fault that Man Utd are crap at negotiations and paid £40 million to much for him. This is a bit worrying as he's bound to get some wrong eventually and we really can't afford to.

Martinez for me was signing of the decade for Man Utd, probably the one player that stood out for me above all last season.

McAllister is probably going to be signing off the summer for me. £35 million! Jude Bellingham has gone for £90 I think? Great business from Liverpool, they need numbers as well as quality and will probably get 3 signings for the price of Bellingham.