Premier League Discussion Thread 2013/14

[plantman]

Looked like a perfectly good goal to me. And it looks like it has cost Newcastle a point as well. 1-1 in injury time they would hardly be pushing up and leaving themselves exposed to allow Negredo to score that second.

Haven't seen the tackle on Nasri yet, was it THAT bad?

Ohh and for the record, that was NEVER a penalty Pool got at Stoke. "Soft" is an understatement. It reminded me of the kind of decisions Utd used to get routinely at OT under ****-face when they were losing.
There was also a hand ball by Sterling in the build up to the penalty, but given the ref's position I can understand why he missed it. Still bloody great game, and it's not often I can say that about any game with Stoke involved.

They even themselves out over a season though, he had a goal disallowed for offside that was 4 yards on, but he did go down at the slightest fart of a touch.

we are relying heavily on the best strikeforce in the prem though the SAS , but ill settle for that

 

[dian11]

I'm agree with last comment

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

I'm agree with last comment

Welcome to SWF

 

[PGowdy]

I'm agree with last comment

Welcome to SWF

Does this member not concern you?
1st comment is on a football discussion thread, Is largely irrelevant and pointless and contains poor english. Perhaps a MOD could investigate. :?

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

Hey Pete

Yes he does concern me a lot

TBH I was just increasing my post count! :lol: :lol:

 

[PGowdy]

Hey Pete

Yes he does concern me a lot

TBH I was just increasing my post count! :lol: :lol:

:lol: You're a nut job.

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

:lol: :lol:

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

A bit Harsh on Man U at HT

Dont deserve to be 2-0 down perhaps 1-1.

But it does show the problems in our team

 

[Michael Sith]

A bit Harsh on Man U at HT

Dont deserve to be 2-0 down perhaps 1-1.

But it does show the problems in our team

We were always going to struggle today, don't know how we can come back from this with some credibility, need goals

 

[Michael Sith]

A bit Harsh on Man U at HT

Dont deserve to be 2-0 down perhaps 1-1.

But it does show the problems in our team

We were always going to struggle today, don't know how we can come back from this with some credibility, need goals

Edit....bloody hell :!:

For a team to score right on half time, and then straight after the restart spells utter doom for utd...no way back from this, it's now about how many we can limit them to

With Rooney and RVP up front there is always a chance of scoring " one more than you" without them it just doesn't work.

The utd of old...with the attacking mentality, wing backs and wingers delivering quality to seasoned world class strikers.

This is what football is all about, we have to strengthen the squad, we have to get the passion back into the game, we have to play as a team, we have to score goals, we have to stop leaking goals....we have to find a miracle ( in the short term)

Gut wrenching to watch...come on utd get at it :x

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

I know Mike and now a red!

Edit probably for the wrong player after Raphael tackle! :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Michael Sith]

Vidic....total frustration, never condone but can understand he must have been gutted....no excuse though
Raph..omg. Wreck less

Yet another gutting match.

Well...I thought we'd get thumped before the game, so I'm not shocked. :roll:

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

Yes I new it was gonna be tough pre match. SB is a tough place to go for sure.

A win on Wed is now imperative

 

[Michael Sith]

Sunderland, then Cardiff

Both home games

At the moment it's irrelevant home or away or even who we play, there is no fear factor anymore, just can't see how we can get back the team focus and the drive and passion.

IMO I'd DM stays ( as a business will there not be pressure if we don't finish top 4 and win nothing this season?) he has 2 or 3 seasons of rebuilding and re focusing.

Just hard to take as a fan, but inevitable.

I remember the early days where SAF came into a team which was totally wrong , the drinking culture and badly managed previous teams...it was hard waiting then.

But I just can't understand that a team that won the premiership easily last season, can be so bad, I get that the teams around have spent and raised their level from last season, but we should be playing better and be in a better position

Bugger :x

 

[Richard_H]

I don't think Man U won the title easily last season. Last year was an awful season. The worst team to win the title for a long time. Chelsea were headless, Arsenal bottlers and Man City just couldn't get it going.

I'm not surprised by Man U's fall from grace. Fergie has stiched Moyes up by leaving a team that needs a total rebuild. Man U will need to sign BIG in the summer and I doubt they can attract if they don't get CL. They'll need to aim for third / fourth next year to get into the CL to attract for the year after.

Earlier I said Man U will finish 5th. I'm now saying 6th. Top 3 is gone. Everton will drop off. Liverpool and Tottenham 4th/5th not sure of order.

 

[weasel]

I'm agree with last comment

Welcome to SWF

Does this member not concern you?
1st comment is on a football discussion thread, Is largely irrelevant and pointless and contains poor english. Perhaps a MOD could investigate. :?

He'd had two posts rejected before this one. We give everyone a chance, if he wants to contribute, he's quite welcome, if he wants to **** about he'll be banned. Some newbies worry about looking daft on a first post so a bland comment about footy may be an easy way to make a first post, we'll see.

 

[weasel]

Firstly, yesterday's game, Utd were the better side for 20 mins until Chelsea scored a fortuitous goal, after that Utd looked devoid of ideas. There is no fight in that team. They don't seem to know how they are going to win a game. I saw a stat that said Utd had played the second most long balls in the PL this season, that's not something you would expect from a side that are normally (much as it pains me to say it) fairly good to watch.
It almost looks like Moyes tactics are get it wide and whip it in, but when you have ashley young and Valencia as your wingers you'd be as well just passing to the other teams full back instead.

I thought Vidic was a little unlucky, with 5 mins to go and the game already decided a yellow would have done. Certainly seen reds for that sort of tackle before, but a bit harsh.
On first viewing i thought Raphael got the ball, on second viewing it was two footed and a straight red all day long. Very lucky boy.


As for Utd in general, Moyes was an underwhelming choice in the first place. Are you seriously telling me that a club of Utd's size couldn't have attracted a top European manager? Surely someone at OT must have sat back and thought "Moyes? Really? Surely we can do better?"
If Fergy had nominated Katie Price would they just have blindly appointed her?

Moyes has talen a championship winning team, admittedly a very mediocre championship winning team, but a championship winning team none the less and is turning them into mid table obscurity.
To turn a team that has been so consistently more than the sum of its parts and turn it into a team, that's palpably less than the sum of its parts is about as clear an example of incompetence as you're likely to see.

Anyone who spins the old "transition" BS can **** off as well.
Matinez is doing ok at Everton in his transition period. spurs don't seem to be struggling with the transition from AVB to Sherwood. Barca aint exactly propping up la liga under vila nova and Real don't seem to struggle with their annual change of manager.

Moyes will get time, but suspect by the time the Board grow a set of balls and sack him he'll have done some serious damage to OT.
And as a Liverpool i'm enjoying every minute of it.

 

[Michael Sith]

I don't think Man U won the title easily last season. Last year was an awful season. The worst team to win the title for a long time. Chelsea were headless, Arsenal bottlers and Man City just couldn't get it going.

I'm not surprised by Man U's fall from grace. Fergie has stiched Moyes up by leaving a team that needs a total rebuild. Man U will need to sign BIG in the summer and I doubt they can attract if they don't get CL. They'll need to aim for third / fourth next year to get into the CL to attract for the year after.

Earlier I said Man U will finish 5th. I'm now saying 6th. Top 3 is gone. Everton will drop off. Liverpool and Tottenham 4th/5th not sure of order.

If UTD were a poor team last season, then the rest of the PL should have been playing in the second division.

The below basic stats, basically show that we had a decent defensive record....2 world class Strikers that could score goals for fun, won Easily with 4 games to spare, goals were also scored by a large number of different players

This all points to disruption, due to new manager and coaching staff, has this impacted on team belief?
This all points to RVP and Rooney being injured being critical factor in not banging in the goals.
The above combined wit poor defence this season, conceding too many goals.

All of this giving fans the worst nightmare season for years.

Yes we need to spend
Yes we need to build
But NO we were not poor last season...that's a farce, we were better than all the other teams in the PL the stats speak for themselves.

Finished on 89 points only 6 points shy of equaling Chelsea's PL record of 95 set in 2004/5!!
And only 3 points shy of our own best achievement of 92 points in the PL era


Won last season with 4 games to spare
RVP top scorer PL 26 goals

As well as being the club's top goalscorer, Robin van Persie also created the most chances, leading in both open play and set piece chances created. And as well as being the club's second top scorer, Wayne Rooney was also second in the list of setting up shots for team mates.

Scored 11 goals more than any other team

20 different players got on the scoresheet

85.7% pass completion rate ...the highest in the premiership, so from a creativity point of view top again

Manchester United had the equal fifth best defence in terms of goals conceded. After a leaky start to the season, the focus on the defence during the second half of the season showed – conceding just 15 goals in the final 19 fixtures, of which 5 of those were on the final game alone. 3 clean sheets were kept in the first half of the season, compared to 10 in the second half.

Poor team last season I think not, poor team performance this season yes

 

[PGowdy]

If UTD were a poor team last season, then the rest of the PL should have been playing in the second division.

The below basic stats, basically show that we had a decent defensive record....2 world class Strikers that could score goals for fun, won Easily with 4 games to spare, goals were also scored by a large number of different players

This all points to disruption, due to new manager and coaching staff, has this impacted on team belief?
This all points to RVP and Rooney being injured being critical factor in not banging in the goals.
The above combined wit poor defence this season, conceding too many goals.

All of this giving fans the worst nightmare season for years.

Yes we need to spend
Yes we need to build
But NO we were not poor last season...that's a farce, we were better than all the other teams in the PL the stats speak for themselves.

I think what people mean is that UTD won the league last season with a poor or below par squad. Which is undeniable.
I don't think anyone is suggesting Utd were "poor" last season. On the contrary! They managed to win the Premier League with a completely uninspiring group of players. Without Van Persie's massive goal count it would have been a very different matter. Apart from Rooney and RPV Utd really don't have any other particularly good players which is the main thing that puts them a ways behind Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City.
We've gone through this on this thread a couple of times but there isn't a midfielder in the Utd squad that would get in any other team in the top 5. And that's gotta be worrying. Utd have always had a lot of talent in midfield but now there's almost non to speak of at all. Moyes is coin the best he can with a rather substandard group of players.

 

[Michael Sith]

Firstly, yesterday's game, Utd were the better side for 20 mins until Chelsea scored a fortuitous goal, after that Utd looked devoid of ideas. There is no fight in that team. They don't seem to know how they are going to win a game. I saw a stat that said Utd had played the second most long balls in the PL this season, that's not something you would expect from a side that are normally (much as it pains me to say it) fairly good to watch.
It almost looks like Moyes tactics are get it wide and whip it in, but when you have ashley young and Valencia as your wingers you'd be as well just passing to the other teams full back instead.

I thought Vidic was a little unlucky, with 5 mins to go and the game already decided a yellow would have done. Certainly seen reds for that sort of tackle before, but a bit harsh.
On first viewing i thought Raphael got the ball, on second viewing it was two footed and a straight red all day long. Very lucky boy.


As for Utd in general, Moyes was an underwhelming choice in the first place. Are you seriously telling me that a club of Utd's size couldn't have attracted a top European manager? Surely someone at OT must have sat back and thought "Moyes? Really? Surely we can do better?"
If Fergy had nominated Katie Price would they just have blindly appointed her?

Moyes has talen a championship winning team, admittedly a very mediocre championship winning team, but a championship winning team none the less and is turning them into mid table obscurity.
To turn a team that has been so consistently more than the sum of its parts and turn it into a team, that's palpably less than the sum of its parts is about as clear an example of incompetence as you're likely to see.

Anyone who spins the old "transition" BS can **** off as well.
Matinez is doing ok at Everton in his transition period. spurs don't seem to be struggling with the transition from AVB to Sherwood. Barca aint exactly propping up la liga under vila nova and Real don't seem to struggle with their annual change of manager.

Moyes will get time, but suspect by the time the Board grow a set of balls and sack him he'll have done some serious damage to OT.
And as a Liverpool i'm enjoying every minute of it.

Absolutely spot on from a Man utd fan to a Liverpool fan ( :shock: )

I could not agree more except for the last line, much as you deserve it, I'm not enjoying it :roll:


I have to point the finger at SAF and the board, why oh why not JM? Or several other top flight European managers.....it makes me want to weep