Premier League 2020/2021 Thread

Can't argue with the sacking based on where they are in the table, but the timing is odd, right after a good result! It would be a decent opportunity for Howe as they are a much 'bigger' club than Bournemouth, but he doesn't have a great track record of saving struggling sides, he's more suited to growing small clubs.

Come on surely you know all about Jose's mind games by now :lol: I think he's a bit of a Marmite character, as I've said many times over the years I've always liked him, even when he was Chelsea boss. He can definitely be a bit of a twat, but at least he has a bit of pesonality unlike most managers.

I can't call tonight, Liverpool are the better side at full strength and both have just dropped points, so form goes out the window too. I don't think it's a must-win game for either side, especially as Chelsea lost last night.
 
edd_jedi said:
Can't argue with the sacking based on where they are in the table, but the timing is odd, right after a good result!
Agreed. It smacks of a decision taken before last night. Bilic was taking the Baggies back down though, and TBF, with that squad the Championship is where they belong.

edd_jedi said:
Come on surely you know all about Jose's mind games by now :lol: I think he's a bit of a Marmite character, as I've said many times over the years I've always liked him, even when he was Chelsea boss. He can definitely be a bit of a twat, but at least he has a bit of personality unlike most managers.

Ohh total mind games, good to see Klopp didn't bite. I just don't get why he feels the need to do it. Klopp and Pep don't do it. in fact no one, bar him, does it. Ok, you get the odd gurn here and there but nothing on the scale of what that wanker goes in for (and nothing like what Fergy used to do either).

edd_jedi said:
I can't call tonight, Liverpool are the better side at full strength and both have just dropped points, so form goes out the window too. I don't think it's a must-win game for either side, especially as Chelsea lost last night.

Both teams would probably settle for a point, although that would be a better result for Spurs given Pool are at home. Jose will turn up and play for a point. I just have the feeling that Pool's unbeaten home record is gonna go tonight. It just has that feel about it.
 
Talking about the other end of the table again, what's happened to Sheffield United? They finished in the top half of the table last season, and from memory gave quite a lot of big teams a hard time. Yet this season they have one point from TWELVE games. That's got to be some kind of record for the shittest start ever?
 
edd_jedi said:
Talking about the other end of the table again, what's happened to Sheffield United? They finished in the top half of the table last season, and from memory gave quite a lot of big teams a hard time. Yet this season they have one point from TWELVE games. That's got to be some kind of record for the shittest start ever?

Blades have been found out basically, lost their keeper who is sitting on the bench at Old Trafford. Last season they won a lot of games by a single goal. Injuries have also cought up with them, John Fleck for me was a big one doing his back in in October, his long range passing has been missed. They're on for the worst ever Premeir League season!
 
And it's confirmed, Allardyce to West Brom! Just why would anybody think he's the man for the job!?
 
Well as predicted it was close, and on paper losing to Liverpool 2-1 at Anfield is not a terrible result. But despite it being a good game, there were a few things that annoyed me about it.

Firstly, Spurs were SO sloppy. The possession stats flattered Liverpool somewhat because Spurs gave away the ball EVERY time they got it back. Aurier was especially bad, he was a liability tonight. but the whole team were sloppy at passing all evening.

Then there was Salah trying to 'win' a penalty by kicking the ball against the defenders arm after 10 minutes. He must have been watching re-runs of the CL final before this match. It baffles me why talented players resort to cheating. And 'his' goal was very lucky, I'm surprised he was even awarded it, should have been an Alderweirald OG due to the massive deflection IMO.

Saying that Son was a bit lucky with his goal too, because it looked very close to offside to me. Still, not going to complain if two lucky goals cancel each other out.

Spurs improved in the second half, I'd say they were even better than Liverpool for a bit early on, but I can't forgive Bergwijn for hitting the post, especially when Kane was unmarked 10 feet from him. Jose must have been fuming about that, it should have been the winner (or at least got us a point.)

No complaints about the winning goal, a decent header and Lloris had no chance.

So yeah, not a terrible result, and as I said earlier definitely not a season defining game (especially as a few other results went our way, it's not often Arsenal do Spurs a favour!) but it was so annoying to lose it like that.
 
theforceuk said:
edd_jedi said:
Talking about the other end of the table again, what's happened to Sheffield United? They finished in the top half of the table last season, and from memory gave quite a lot of big teams a hard time. Yet this season they have one point from TWELVE games. That's got to be some kind of record for the shittest start ever?

Blades have been found out basically, lost their keeper who is sitting on the bench at Old Trafford. Last season they won a lot of games by a single goal. Injuries have also cought up with them, John Fleck for me was a big one doing his back in in October, his long range passing has been missed. They're on for the worst ever Premeir League season!

Summed up well.


edd_jedi said:
And it's confirmed, Allardyce to West Brom! Just why would anybody think he's the man for the job!?

I agree. I guess they are just hoping he will keep them up and then they can move on once they are established/safe. Not looking forward to seeing his ugly mug, or his brand of hoffball back though.

edd_jedi said:
Well as predicted it was close, and on paper losing to Liverpool 2-1 at Anfield is not a terrible result. But despite it being a good game, there were a few things that annoyed me about it.

Firstly, Spurs were SO sloppy. The possession stats flattered Liverpool somewhat because Spurs gave away the ball EVERY time they got it back. Aurier was especially bad, he was a liability tonight. but the whole team were sloppy at passing all evening.

Then there was Salah trying to 'win' a penalty by kicking the ball against the defenders arm after 10 minutes. He must have been watching re-runs of the CL final before this match. It baffles me why talented players resort to cheating. And 'his' goal was very lucky, I'm surprised he was even awarded it, should have been an Alderweirald OG due to the massive deflection IMO.

Saying that Son was a bit lucky with his goal too, because it looked very close to offside to me. Still, not going to complain if two lucky goals cancel each other out.

Spurs improved in the second half, I'd say they were even better than Liverpool for a bit early on, but I can't forgive Bergwijn for hitting the post, especially when Kane was unmarked 10 feet from him. Jose must have been fuming about that, it should have been the winner (or at least got us a point.)

No complaints about the winning goal, a decent header and Lloris had no chance.

So yeah, not a terrible result, and as I said earlier definitely not a season defining game (especially as a few other results went our way, it's not often Arsenal do Spurs a favour!) but it was so annoying to lose it like that.

Strange old game that one. The first half was a proper pasting. Spurs just could not get out or get going. Why Jose insisted they sit so deep and were so passive when Pool's back four had the ball I dunno. FFS Pool had a kid making his PL debut who was playing non league last year. Get at him! Fair play, they scored the one time they got out of their own half. It looked offside to me as well. Amazon really didn't show a decent angle of it. That split screen thing and not zooming in followed by putting one line on, then removing it and putting the other on is a bit like asking Stevie Wonder to describe it for you. Fair enough VAR gave it so it must have been on. It did look tight.
The second half was a different story. Spurs tried to play football and attack and guess what, they looked a load better!
Credit where it's due they do set up well, I think it's called "the low block". They close down the spaces are and very hard to play through. Despite all Pool's possession in the first half they didn't create many clear cut chances.

Second half Spurs probably had more 'good' chances. bergwijn's two and Kane's header. Pool had a few, Mane's shot that hit the bar and Salah's chance on his wrong foot (or was that first half?). The latter was actually very similar to Bergwijn's first chance, albeit I have no idea what foot Bergy favours.

If you looked at decent chances alone you would have to say Spurs deserved something from that game. But if you look at possession stats and shots in general you would wonder how Pool didn't win by more. As I said at the start, strange old game.

A draw would probably have been a fair enough result, albeit a better one for Spurs than Pool.

Was the Salah booting the ball at yer man's arm, inside the box? I thought it was just outside? I agree though, no idea why players do it. It is annoying.
The Dier "handball" in the first half was a non event. It looks like it hits his sleeve, it's ball to hand and not the kinda thing that you could or should give a penalty for. Not sure why it was even discussed by the commentators.

As for Salah's goal, I agree. OG all day. That's a pet pev of mine. If someone is on the goal line and a striker twats the ball at him and it deflects in off him, that is an OG. I don't care if the shot was on target etc, the last man to touch it (bar the keeper, unless it deflects back off post/bar and in off him) is the goal scorer.
Ohh obviously, that's unless he is called Christian Eriksen, in which case the goal gets given to Harry Kane lol

All in though, I still can't get my head round why Jose sits so deep. I know he has done it all season and it is his modus operandi but **** me, those tactics crippled Spurs in the first half. Amazon were showing possession stats with Pool in the 90+% bracket at various points. That's against Spurs not some bunch of non league no hopers. Second half Spurs looked so much better. I can't help but feel if they had played like that in the first 45 the result would have been very different.

Ohh and a final point, nice to see Jose doing his usual deflection BS. Gurning about Klopp on the touch line to try and detract from the fact his team lost. That man has not changed at all.
Yes, Klopp gets animated on the touch line, pretty sure I remember Jose pegging it done the touch line at OT to celebrate with his players when Porto beat Utd all those years ago. Also pretty sure I saw him nearly on the pitch shouting at one of his players midway through the second half.
The man's a hypocrite and a wanker. Have I mentioned I don't like him!?
 
I don't think the first half pasting and massive possession difference were entirely down to Spurs sitting deep, as Liverpool were not that threatening most of the time. It was more that they couldn't string a pass together. I disagree with Jose that the best team lost, but there wasn't much in it, and I would even say Spurs had more clear cut chances. On a different night with the kind of passing we've been seeing from Spurs midfield in recent weeks, it could have been a very different scoreline. But for some reason last night, they just couldn't find each other. I was worried about Jose's back four when it was announced, I don't understand why he didn't start Reguilon, he's been brilliant in recent weeks.

I guess Jose was pointing out that you save managerial celebrations like that for winning a trophy, not winning a mid week game a third of the way through the season. But yeah, if there's no rule against it...
 
Something else I've noticed in the last two matches, it seems very unfair that no away fans are allowed at the moment. That is a massive disadvantage. Having no fans at all in the stadium is one thing, but having no fans cheering you on while thousands of others are swearing at you is a way worse situation. If only 4000 are allowed, they should use the same ratio as usual to allow in some away supporters, even if it's only a few hundred. I definitely think that had an impact on the last two games, especially against Palace, and guess what the rules have changed again so no fans for Spurs against Leicester at the weekend :roll:
 
edd_jedi said:
I don't think the first half pasting and massive possession difference were entirely down to Spurs sitting deep, as Liverpool were not that threatening most of the time.

Agreed. It was very much "bad Arsenal possession". Sideways passes 15 yards from Spurs' box. Though Spurs "low block" is to credited for the lack of chances Pool created.

edd_jedi said:
Something else I've noticed in the last two matches, it seems very unfair that no away fans are allowed at the moment. That is a massive disadvantage. Having no fans at all in the stadium is one thing, but having no fans cheering you on while thousands of others are swearing at you is a way worse situation. If only 4000 are allowed, they should use the same ratio as usual to allow in some away supporters, even if it's only a few hundred. I definitely think that had an impact on the last two games, especially against Palace, and guess what the rules have changed again so no fans for Spurs against Leicester at the weekend :roll:

I did think that the other day too, but I guess logic dictates you can't really have ppl driving across the country just to watch a football game while there is a pandemic on. Regardless of how seriously you take the pandemic, letting football fans drive the length of the country to watch a game is hardly going to help reduce the chances of it spreading or endear people to stick to the regulations. Plus you would have to do it for all professional football, and probably other sports, and that opens a can of worms.

It is a bit unfair, but then is having one club playing with 50-60k fans cheering them on not as big an advantage? Especially when the likes of Bournemouth, when they were up, got 15k fans in on a good week.
 
edd_jedi said:
Something else I've noticed in the last two matches, it seems very unfair that no away fans are allowed at the moment. That is a massive disadvantage. Having no fans at all in the stadium is one thing, but having no fans cheering you on while thousands of others are swearing at you is a way worse situation. If only 4000 are allowed, they should use the same ratio as usual to allow in some away supporters, even if it's only a few hundred. I definitely think that had an impact on the last two games, especially against Palace, and guess what the rules have changed again so no fans for Spurs against Leicester at the weekend :roll:

The away fan thing is because a tier three fan base isn't allowed to mix, so for example if London remained in tier 2 and you could have fans Leicester could not as they are tier three. Plus I'd say home season ticket holders etc have more right to a ticket than away fans? Overall it's not ideal though as with the changing tiers there's no way to get a consistent and fair distribution of fans vs no fans.
 
Yeah I see your logic, and I guess you're right that the majority of away fans are the hardcore that actually live in the town, but we all know 80% of supporters these days aren't from the city they support, I bet they could have found plenty of Liverpool based Spurs fans to fill some seats. I'd like to go and support Spurs at Brighton.
 
edd_jedi said:
Yeah I see your logic, and I guess you're right that the majority of away fans are the hardcore that actually live in the town, but we all know 80% of supporters these days aren't from the city they support, I bet they could have found plenty of Liverpool based Spurs fans to fill some seats. I'd like to go and support Spurs at Brighton.

Yes, sure they could have, I mean I live in the Midlands for one so I'd very much like to go away to Leicester, Villa, WBA etc. I also sorely miss getting the train down to the Emirates.
 
Good result for United tonight, it's funny how they've gone under the radar, most people seem to think they've been struggling for some reason but they have the best form in the league over the last 5 games, and still have a game in hand which could take them second. In fact Villa have two games in hand and could also theoretically go second. So it's still wide open, too early to get excited or disheartened (although that's now 1 point from 13(!) games for SFU now...)
 
Yeah Man Utd have gone under the radar a little bit you could say, but we have so nearly lost a lot of those games. Even tonight we deserved to win but did our best to throw the points away. The defending is just a joke, those two centre half's do what they can to dodge the ball half the time!

It's actually frustrating because the league could be their for the taking and only because Liverpool have had their entire defence and most their midfield out for most of the season. I honestly think if it wasn't for their injuries it would be over like it was this time last year. But they are still top and I can only see that 3 point gap getting bigger from now on.

If the board goes and signs 3 or 4 decent players in January then things might be different. All I'm hearing though is they are planning for the summer transfer window, by which time Man Utd will have finished 5th or 6th and OGS will be sacked and the 'rebuilding' will start all over again.
 
I saw bits of the Utd game last night, they definitely deserved the points and where head and shoulders (and torso and legs) better than SU, but my god SU are poor side. They look like a side who are already relegated and who are just playing out the last few games of the season before they drop. They are woeful. They need a miracle to stay up.
 
Sheffield Utd are now the proud tag owners of having the worst ever top flight start in English football.
 
Some result for Liverpool yesterday against a decent well organised Palace side. That was frightening how they were so easily dismantled, I said the gap would only get bigger, but I didn't think quite like that!
 
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