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I reckon if you let him, Wenger would relegate Arsenal and still not walk away from that job.
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I said on Facebook earlier and I'll say it again here, we should get him replaced now and let a new manager see if there is anything worth salvaging from the current car crash of a squad and then rebuild over the summer.
Incidentally I don't normally get to watch much live what with the kids and various family commitments but that changed for this week and I saw England lose to the Jocks in the rugby, Arse get ****ed 3-0 twice by Citeh and then with "only" Brighton to go, what happens? Yep, another cracking performance and another bloody defeat :roll:
Incidentally I don't normally get to watch much live what with the kids and various family commitments but that changed for this week and I saw England lose to the Jocks in the rugby, Arse get ****ed 3-0 twice by Citeh and then with "only" Brighton to go, what happens? Yep, another cracking performance and another bloody defeat :roll:
It would certainly suit Spurs! :-Dweasel said:
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I'm not looking forward to the Liverpool game, Saturday lunchtime. Could really mess my weekend up! Liverpool are quietly flying as well, Man Utd are in their worst form all season. Got to beat Palace away first as well. :?
I don't think Wenger is Arsenal's biggest problem, don't get me wrong he's passed his best but nobody better is available. The problem is
1) The players - I see no fight or loyalty. Ozil laughs every time they concede a goal like Sanchez used to, he should be resigned to the bench for that. A **** player who cares is better than a good player who does not.
2) The fans - completely unrealistic expectations. I remember a couple of years ago all the "4th place is not a trophy" banners - I bet they would take 4th now! The league is a different place from 15 years ago, there is no title on a plate any more, there are six genuine contenders most seasons. The City game last week was a good example - the stadium was half empty which is pathetic against the top side, and they were booing the players at half time because they were losing against City. WTF were they expecting?
3) The owners - they seem to have no desire to improve, letting all their best players go without replacing them.
Unless you sort 1-3 out above, getting rid of Wenger won't change a thing (in fact will probably make things worse)
1) The players - I see no fight or loyalty. Ozil laughs every time they concede a goal like Sanchez used to, he should be resigned to the bench for that. A **** player who cares is better than a good player who does not.
2) The fans - completely unrealistic expectations. I remember a couple of years ago all the "4th place is not a trophy" banners - I bet they would take 4th now! The league is a different place from 15 years ago, there is no title on a plate any more, there are six genuine contenders most seasons. The City game last week was a good example - the stadium was half empty which is pathetic against the top side, and they were booing the players at half time because they were losing against City. WTF were they expecting?
3) The owners - they seem to have no desire to improve, letting all their best players go without replacing them.
Unless you sort 1-3 out above, getting rid of Wenger won't change a thing (in fact will probably make things worse)
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I think getting rid of Wenger would sought 1 - 3 out, that's the thing with a manager, he's responsible for everything at a club. He's not a coach, I agree though the entire club needs a rocket right through it. Wenger has proved he can't sought out problems 1 - 3, time for someone else to try.
As for Ozil, he's a disgrace. Watch him in the World Cup for Germany he will be a different player, why he signed a new contract is beyond me, oh no hang on he had know where else to go, so was the only option.
With City playing like they are I think all the other big clubs have had unrealistic expectations this season.
Their is no way Arsenal can move forward with Wenger in charge IMO.
As for Ozil, he's a disgrace. Watch him in the World Cup for Germany he will be a different player, why he signed a new contract is beyond me, oh no hang on he had know where else to go, so was the only option.
With City playing like they are I think all the other big clubs have had unrealistic expectations this season.
Their is no way Arsenal can move forward with Wenger in charge IMO.
Is Wenger not responsible for
1) All the shite players they have, a lot of whom have failed, failed and failed again, only to be rewarded with generous contracts. Who is going to buy a lot of the dross at Arsenal. Those players will need to take pay cuts to attract any interest and given their performances I'm not sure too many of them will want to do that. Nor will they want to sign for a so called 'smaller' club. Just look at their signings over the last 5 years, how many were players that other 'big' clubs were after? Ozil and Sanchez were deadline day (or near enough) signings that fell into Arsenal's lap cos no one else wanted them and had the money. The rest are second rate, or worse.
2) Ok, this one isn't his fault, and let's be fair every club has idiot deluded fans. The Pool fans who spout off about next year being our year, the Utd fans who still think they are the biggest club in the world and should be able to sign anyone just cos they are Utd etc etc. All of them should be ignored or laughed at. The Arsenal fans I know what all said for years that Wenger needs to go or needs to wise up and start spending money.
3) I do actually blame Wenger for this. The Board just seem to bow to his knowledge and he seems to have a free run of the place. Maybe that's a chicken and an egg thing. A properly run club wouldn't allow that to develop to the degree it has at Arsenal, but as the Board seems to only worry about CL and the money coming in they have ceded power to Wenger. Either way it's daft. At any other 'big 6' club he would have been the door years ago and he certainly wouldn't have been allowed the charade he had last year about his contract.
Getting rid of him MAY solve some of them problems, but it depends on who comes in, how good they are at shifting dead wood and recruiting players who give a ****, and also if the Board actually decide to try doing their jobs.
Had he gone 2/3 years ago they could have fixed the club with a decent manager and 200million ish spent in one transfer window. Now they need a bloody good manager and will need 2 or 3 transfer windows to rebuild the team and also to sell the dead wood. All whilst not playing in the CL and thus not being able to attract the top bracket players (insert your own funny comment there) and having a much lower turn over to try and fund it.
1) All the shite players they have, a lot of whom have failed, failed and failed again, only to be rewarded with generous contracts. Who is going to buy a lot of the dross at Arsenal. Those players will need to take pay cuts to attract any interest and given their performances I'm not sure too many of them will want to do that. Nor will they want to sign for a so called 'smaller' club. Just look at their signings over the last 5 years, how many were players that other 'big' clubs were after? Ozil and Sanchez were deadline day (or near enough) signings that fell into Arsenal's lap cos no one else wanted them and had the money. The rest are second rate, or worse.
2) Ok, this one isn't his fault, and let's be fair every club has idiot deluded fans. The Pool fans who spout off about next year being our year, the Utd fans who still think they are the biggest club in the world and should be able to sign anyone just cos they are Utd etc etc. All of them should be ignored or laughed at. The Arsenal fans I know what all said for years that Wenger needs to go or needs to wise up and start spending money.
3) I do actually blame Wenger for this. The Board just seem to bow to his knowledge and he seems to have a free run of the place. Maybe that's a chicken and an egg thing. A properly run club wouldn't allow that to develop to the degree it has at Arsenal, but as the Board seems to only worry about CL and the money coming in they have ceded power to Wenger. Either way it's daft. At any other 'big 6' club he would have been the door years ago and he certainly wouldn't have been allowed the charade he had last year about his contract.
Getting rid of him MAY solve some of them problems, but it depends on who comes in, how good they are at shifting dead wood and recruiting players who give a ****, and also if the Board actually decide to try doing their jobs.
Had he gone 2/3 years ago they could have fixed the club with a decent manager and 200million ish spent in one transfer window. Now they need a bloody good manager and will need 2 or 3 transfer windows to rebuild the team and also to sell the dead wood. All whilst not playing in the CL and thus not being able to attract the top bracket players (insert your own funny comment there) and having a much lower turn over to try and fund it.
I was having this conversation with a mate last night and apparently they had the same one on Talksport. Are PSG just a better version of Celtic?
They are the only team in a one team league, they win 3/4/5-0 most weeks without having to get out of second gear and as soon as they play a decent European side they get hoked cos their players have forgotten how to hit top gear.
Ps, come on spuds!
They are the only team in a one team league, they win 3/4/5-0 most weeks without having to get out of second gear and as soon as they play a decent European side they get hoked cos their players have forgotten how to hit top gear.
Ps, come on spuds!
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Man Utd's defending has gone to pot since January really, so perhaps Klopp shouldn't watch Man Utd! Palace were unlucky but credit to Utd, they kept going and the difference in quality came through in the end, plus DG got us out of jail again. He's Probably Utds best ever keeper.
PSG are just full of individual stars and like everyone says they are in one of the worst of the big leagues in Europe. Apparently Neymar has always wanted to go to Real Madrid but didn't have the balls to go straight from Barcelona and the move is on this summer?
I think Man Utd could be in trouble against Liverpool, I'm staying optimistic and going for 2-2.
PSG are just full of individual stars and like everyone says they are in one of the worst of the big leagues in Europe. Apparently Neymar has always wanted to go to Real Madrid but didn't have the balls to go straight from Barcelona and the move is on this summer?
I think Man Utd could be in trouble against Liverpool, I'm staying optimistic and going for 2-2.
Well that was just classic ****ing Spurs. They have some breathing space with Juve needing to score two goals, so what do they do? Play aggressively and concede two pathetic goals in three minutes. And then what do Juve do as soon as they are winning? Sit back and defend. It's not rocket science is it. The arrogance of Poch really pisses me off sometimes, there is no shame in playing defensively when it is the right thing to do and there's so much to lose. I could see it coming a mile away.
Gutted for Spuds. They were the better side for 160-170 mins of the tie and yet lost cos they had two mad 5 minute spells where they shipped two goals on each occasion. Why can't they do that when they play Liverpool!?
Still, they were far from embarrassed, on another day they would have won that. Juve don't look anything special. It was just a case of experience beating youth/enthusiasm. Hard way to go out though.
The potential quarter final line up is looking like a real who's who of European footballs elite.
Real, Liverpool, City, Juve, Bayern (as good as through), and possibly United, and Barca. Ohh and ehh Roma/Shaktar, but we'll ignore them. That first 7 have a hell of a lot of pedigree though, apart from City. You just need AC or Ajax and it's a complete list.
Still, they were far from embarrassed, on another day they would have won that. Juve don't look anything special. It was just a case of experience beating youth/enthusiasm. Hard way to go out though.
The potential quarter final line up is looking like a real who's who of European footballs elite.
Real, Liverpool, City, Juve, Bayern (as good as through), and possibly United, and Barca. Ohh and ehh Roma/Shaktar, but we'll ignore them. That first 7 have a hell of a lot of pedigree though, apart from City. You just need AC or Ajax and it's a complete list.
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I was gutted for Surs as well, I have a soft spot for them and if Man Utd don't win the FA Cup I hope Spurs do. It would almost be ok to loose to them in the final, that's how much I think they deserve a trophy. But like has been said in CL football you switch off collectively for 5 minutes and the tie can be over, one of the reasons I know Utd won't win it.
I was thinking the same last night about the sides left, can see all being multiple previous winners in the semi final, apart from City. If the semi final line up is Man City, Liverpool and Real Madrid I'm gonna cry!
I was thinking the same last night about the sides left, can see all being multiple previous winners in the semi final, apart from City. If the semi final line up is Man City, Liverpool and Real Madrid I'm gonna cry!
A good weekend's results for Spurs. I hope Kane's injury isn't a bad one; he managed to walk off without obviously limping, so hopefully he might recover from it quickly. In the meantime, thankfully Son is on fire! Another couple of goals today helping Spurs climb above Liverpool into 3rd place, after they lost to United yesterday. I didn't see that game, so I have no idea how deserved Utd's victory was, but I'm not complaining! 
Happy to go up to third but I don't think it will last long with Chelsea and City still to play. I would take 4th right now. The final score against Bournemouth was flattering, I would have taken 2-1 at half time, they were making all the same mistakes as against Juve in the first half. I think Spurs are really missing Alderweireld, not sure what's going on with him, surely he can't just decide he doesn't want to play any more?
Crazy scenes at West Ham, I understand frustration but that kind of behaviour doesn't help. I can see lots of fans getting bans over that, will be easy to identify them all. Still if you thought that was bad, a top flight Greek director pulled a gun on the ref yesterday when he disallowed a goal :lol:
Crazy scenes at West Ham, I understand frustration but that kind of behaviour doesn't help. I can see lots of fans getting bans over that, will be easy to identify them all. Still if you thought that was bad, a top flight Greek director pulled a gun on the ref yesterday when he disallowed a goal :lol:
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Agreed, Spurs still have City to play, you would expect City to win that. Pool and Spurs both have Chelsea. It's gonna be close between the sides who finish 2nd-4th/5th.
As for Alderweireld, my understanding is that he is stalling over a new contract and Pochetino has a default setting whereby he won't pick anyone who is running down his contract. I can see Poch's logic, but it does seem to be cutting your nose off to spite your face.
Snaketibe said:I didn't see that game, so I have no idea how deserved Utd's victory was, but I'm not complaining!
Twasn't a classic. Though I doubt Utd fans care. TBF I wouldn't have cared if Liverpool had won a non classic either.
Both Utd's goals were actually straight out of the Fat Sam book of tactics. Long hoof up field by DDG towards Lukaku who made Lovern his bitch (I suspect that performance, especially those 2 daft tackles within 5 seconds of each other late in the second half, are the final nail in Lovern's Pool career. Hopefully he will now join Mingers and Moreno on the bench and be sold to first idiots who offer money for him), he flicked it on and Rashford twatted it into the net. Both good finishes from Rashford. Second one dropped to Mata who was tackled before it dropped to Rashy, but basically the same goal as the first. Mata also missed a glorious chance with an overhead that would have settled the game.
Second half was a bit weird. I wouldn't call it "all Liverpool" but they did monopolise possession and spent large chunks of the half camped 10-15 yards outside Utd's box. Sterile possession. Utd had a few half chances on the break. Pool, for all their possession, couldn't break down Utd's back four and the midfield. Not sure I'd call it 'parking the bus' that would be a tad unfair, but it definitely wasn't the Utd of old. Fergy's Utd would have continued to attack. Jose's Utd are much more pragmatic. I guess it was more of a "we're 2-0 up, we don't need to attack, you come and try and break us down."
Pool's forward line was poor. Mane was Utd's best player. He lost the ball every single time he got it. Saying that it is hard to break down a defence that sits on the edge of its box (and leaves the wings free knowing Pool won't fire in crosses) with the midfield camped on top of it, and Liverpool's forwards in there as well. It was eye of needle stuff. Pool created the sum total of FA squared in the game. Their goal was a gift, and probably the best finish of the game lol.
It's a hard game to describe really. I wouldn't say Utd were the better side as such, it was more a case of Utd did just enough to win. That's also not me saying pool were the better side. It was just a bit of a meh game. Not a dreadful borefest as feared but far from a classic either.
I still think Jose is doing the bare minimum at Utd, given the money he has had and the players he has, but I suspect most Utd fans will tolerate substance over style or results/wins over gloriously entertaining football as long as he keeps winning trophies or at least getting them into the CL. Still, for me as a Liverpool fan, Utd as a team/club should be about more than just doing enough, but then I'm not a neutral.
