Caswellbot
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The pics are a but dark grant could you take better ones in the day light if its not too much hassle? Thanks chris.
Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.
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Stargeezer
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lee gray said:Whether Toni put the figures on the cards or not, he has already stated in this thread that he didnt, so why do people want him to post in here again for saying the same thing ?, it will just go round and round in circles and people will and have drawn their own conclusions.
any of us could easily call out a member here with lies about something and the **** would stick even if untrue, there will always be a little poo left over..... stinky smelly rotten poo
Well Lee, he might responded here in the beginning of all this ****, but be real, how many times have we seen people say they did not do this, or had nothing to do with that,... and then afterwards when every piece off the puzzle fell together had to confess they actually did it.
I am not saying Toni is guilty of sealing mint figures to cardbacks to sell them as original, but just pointng out that almost all people even if they are guilty, always first claim the are not, and only cough up, with the fire catches them up.
Although, i don't like the fact Toni has gone silent now and also starting to believe the "if it walks and quacks like a duck..." thing on this...
The whole situation doens't look good.
Stargeezer
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Caswellbot said:
I was actually glad they werent to clear.... :shock:
:lol:
Richard_H
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I'm not sure AFA and UKG are the best place to go. It's not in their interest to determine that these are not the same as the factory sealed as they'd also have a lot of explaining to do.
Caswellbot said:
Chris- that's a big ask- I live in wales.
No worries- will so.
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jimbody1
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Then send them to someone else impartial and beyond reproach to check out. What about Joe? A stand up guy if ever there was one, obviously someone we all trust and respect. What about getting someone with a non Toni gm moc to hold it under blackight, i can get one of tonis and do the same here as we have proper UV blacklights for the UV scenes in I the panto. Any differences should be obvious.
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I hear a lot of, where is the coo experts.....so assuming some of those are fake and the seal is solid proof we would need a data base for that. As Matthias and others have said, everthing is possble in GMs way of producing. They ran out of sth and just ask for another stock from another factory etc.
If you want to proof this with the figures used inside wee need looots of examples on looots of cardbacks. We could start with people who have a focus! If people are willing I would gladly help to inspect their datas they have collected. Maybe Spoons on Han hoth, Alex on Luke Bespin, Psybertech on Leia Bespin...etc...
Regarding that there is a lot of differences alone to that cardbacks (German ones with english text and no text, color differences and double and single stem blisters) it will be a pain for sure to get an opinion. But I would say if we can find a lot of different coos and variants (not only two or three) on one and the same cardback we can for sure say: there is something fishy going on.
Anyway....it will be very difficult, but an option. As said: we would need lots of good pictures and samples!
I honestly thought, if it was done they all were sealed in the early 90s, thats why noone can tell the differences anymore. As JoeO now found out, it is possible it is still going on, this is scary as hell if you ask me. Who says (if it happens) that toni is the only one??
And as some have pointed out it would have been nonsense to buy that stack of cards and bubbles having that plan in mind: Toni is sitting on a stock of MOCs since ages...everyone knows and is only selling those slowly to not ruin the market...that is a long time plan and very clever thought. If a person with that kind of buisness strategy gets an offer on 25000 cardbacks and bubbles he surely hasn't in mind to seal them all back, but he knows he will get massive competition on the market (in selling, in buying minty mint figures and so on). So it is only logical to buy them all IMO, no matter if you use them all...right??
Although I thought it was siad: 25000 cardbacks bubbles and figures?!?!? The first figures would have been mint and probably very well the same ones (coo, variant, etc)
@JoeY: I am not sure what you want to see with a microscope on a heat sealed bubble?? They are heat sealed, originals as well as possible fakes. They will look different...each of them...as you can see on the Palitoy video there was someone inserting them by hand, then pressing them together with a heating machine....for how long?? Every card was pressed different (thinking of the time) so the seals can look different...always. I am afraid you wont find anything to differ the seals. This would have been noticed since ages I guess, am I wrong??
So what maybe can be used is the good old UV light. Plastics that get heated once do age faster. A "newer" seal should be chemically different then an old seal (speaking of the plastic)...that maybe can be seen under UV. But I am sure Afa uses that for spotting ink touch uips...though?!?!??
As said: Mocs are totally not my buisness.....so sorry for talking BS... :lol:
If you want to proof this with the figures used inside wee need looots of examples on looots of cardbacks. We could start with people who have a focus! If people are willing I would gladly help to inspect their datas they have collected. Maybe Spoons on Han hoth, Alex on Luke Bespin, Psybertech on Leia Bespin...etc...
Regarding that there is a lot of differences alone to that cardbacks (German ones with english text and no text, color differences and double and single stem blisters) it will be a pain for sure to get an opinion. But I would say if we can find a lot of different coos and variants (not only two or three) on one and the same cardback we can for sure say: there is something fishy going on.
Anyway....it will be very difficult, but an option. As said: we would need lots of good pictures and samples!
I honestly thought, if it was done they all were sealed in the early 90s, thats why noone can tell the differences anymore. As JoeO now found out, it is possible it is still going on, this is scary as hell if you ask me. Who says (if it happens) that toni is the only one??
And as some have pointed out it would have been nonsense to buy that stack of cards and bubbles having that plan in mind: Toni is sitting on a stock of MOCs since ages...everyone knows and is only selling those slowly to not ruin the market...that is a long time plan and very clever thought. If a person with that kind of buisness strategy gets an offer on 25000 cardbacks and bubbles he surely hasn't in mind to seal them all back, but he knows he will get massive competition on the market (in selling, in buying minty mint figures and so on). So it is only logical to buy them all IMO, no matter if you use them all...right??
Although I thought it was siad: 25000 cardbacks bubbles and figures?!?!? The first figures would have been mint and probably very well the same ones (coo, variant, etc)
@JoeY: I am not sure what you want to see with a microscope on a heat sealed bubble?? They are heat sealed, originals as well as possible fakes. They will look different...each of them...as you can see on the Palitoy video there was someone inserting them by hand, then pressing them together with a heating machine....for how long?? Every card was pressed different (thinking of the time) so the seals can look different...always. I am afraid you wont find anything to differ the seals. This would have been noticed since ages I guess, am I wrong??
So what maybe can be used is the good old UV light. Plastics that get heated once do age faster. A "newer" seal should be chemically different then an old seal (speaking of the plastic)...that maybe can be seen under UV. But I am sure Afa uses that for spotting ink touch uips...though?!?!??
As said: Mocs are totally not my buisness.....so sorry for talking BS...
:lol:
I have some Joiner MOCs as well from 1995- at least I think they are from Jason- the seals are identical to the ones I have off Toytoni.
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olisuds said:
It's quite easy to take a punch out of an unpunched card.
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Just looking at Toni's eBay auctions and the descriptions are quite minimal and the title or the auctions even more so - doesn't even have vintage or Star Wars in the title hence why I've never picked up his auctions in searches!
Just a thought, *if* he is resealing them does he only have the two types of bubble - the single and twin stem? I know others have mentioned that they've had Trilogos off him and said that they are 100% genuine and the same as no Toni sourced ones.
Just a thought, *if* he is resealing them does he only have the two types of bubble - the single and twin stem? I know others have mentioned that they've had Trilogos off him and said that they are 100% genuine and the same as no Toni sourced ones.
mr_palitoy said:olisuds said:
It's quite easy to take a punch out of an unpunched card.
Jason
Yes I appreciate that but why would you if an unpunched sells for more.
It's also quite easy to dent a few bubbles and put a few creases in
Trust a thread like this to happen when I'm trying to take a break from forums :?
Not sure what good these'll be but here's some pics of my German 45back Yoda ( no english text and came from a German collector ).
Not too sure if I've followed this thread correctly but am I right in thinking that only the German 45 backs with the English text are the one's under scrutiny?
A few things of note, the figure appears to have the Green snake ( if green snakes actually exist) and there appears to be some lifting on the inside of the bubble apparent in the last three pics.
Not sure what good these'll be but here's some pics of my German 45back Yoda ( no english text and came from a German collector ).
Not too sure if I've followed this thread correctly but am I right in thinking that only the German 45 backs with the English text are the one's under scrutiny?
A few things of note, the figure appears to have the Green snake ( if green snakes actually exist) and there appears to be some lifting on the inside of the bubble apparent in the last three pics.
