BadMotivator said:
Cc4rhu said:
Totally agree on that point. There'd be solicitors involved etc it's not something you can enter lightly
There're wouldn't be solicitors involved, its actually really easy to form a company, you can do it online. But once you do you are responsible for the operation of that company and can be held to account for any wrongdoing/tax evasion etc.
ok you had to get a solicitor involved back then , now days it is easy you can go on line , back then everything was much harder as you could not just go on line it was not set up yet to do that.
i think we keep going off on a wild goose chase here and i think Toni is loving it.
he said he did know Arthur but gave over he did not know him well.
then we find out that he set up a Ltd business together and were doth equal directors
i am sorry you do not do this with someone you do not know as you are linking your self with someone else that has rights over your joint company and if you run up bills or steal or do not pay your taxes you are both responsible for the other actions even thought it is a limited company it will still come back on both directors and this can be very costly.
you cannot just brush this off, its a big thing back then and setting up a LTD company together cost money and shows they know each other very well and that its not the passing relationship Toni implied in his first post wear he distance himself from Arthur so why do that ?
and feel he distanced himself from Arthur as i have that list and he admits to there being a list and the list is the smoking gun and the prof so this will come out its inevitable now.
i need no proof as i was there i know what Toni said and i know what happened back there .
It is all over now this will all come out in the end as there are many people i know out there looking into all the things that have come out and more things are adding up.
i am talking to more people from back there , i have talked to some dealers that also remember selling mint loose figures to Toni and Toni wanting lots of the same figures
Toni it will be better for you if you help close this for everyone and just came clean on all this , instead if it is dragged out even more when we do get to the bottom of everything and prove everything 100% people are going to be very unforgiving with you and that will be a even bigger issues for you.
i think at this time most people just wants to know what they have in there collections one way or another Toni
ok Toni your not wanting to come clean as maybe you do not have the money to pay everyone back ? or fear legal action ? i can understand that , but i am going to say something some of you are not going to like this but if it states to give closure than i think its a way forward ?
Toni i am going to try to help you and all the collectors now and i mean this sincerely .
to stand up a little for Toni
when Toni was selling these fugues at the shows most other traders knew they were figures that were carded after Pilitoy had closed, they were real components assembled much latter all the traders knew this, most fans collectors herd the stories from the dealers and it was understood that was what they were , it was not a bid deal then , there was no action figure grading back then people just looked at the figure and thought that looked nice and bought them, no one really cared back then if it was put on at the factory or not they were well put together and looked very nice, you have to know it was not that long before this time that people still just opened then up to get a mint figure or to get the gun ?, carded figures were just starting to get interest around this time , these figures Toni had never run out he had then in stock all the time and most people back then knew the facts behind them.
now Toni has painted himself into a corner where he has not reminded anyone of the figures past and the fact that they were put together after the factory closed and now he cannot come clean as the new generation of collects are obsessed with grading and things being 100% and that is now a issue for him to say the truth and let out the true history of these figures.
i do not think Toni back then did go out to deliberately defraud anyone , i think it helped his sales not to remind people of the true story of how these figures came about, but it was no more than that, now he is in a imposable poison of, if to come clean or how to come clean.
you promoted these products as MOC mint on card implying that the figures are mint on a card .
on one can argue that 95% of these figures are mint figures
no one one is saying these figures are fake or that the bubbles and cards are fake ether so there is nothing there ether.
you just did not tell them that they were put together after Palitory factory had closed by your self or Arthur or both of you ? that dose not really matter.
but if you came clean to that we could all move forward instead bit by bit it coming out as it will all come out in the end Toni you are seeing that each day.
Toni why not come on here and just end this.
i never had a issue with you Toni and i am for real on that.
i understand your first post was down to desperate people act desperately but it has to all come out one way or anther.
i know you need to give someone a way out when they are in a corner so i hope that this dose that for you
you are now between a rock and a hard place and its not going to get better just dining everything when its all here we are discovering facts that go's with my version of events, this is over mate
jason
