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Tonight's starting line up:
Porter (16), Nichols (18), Kiwior, Calafiori, Lewis-Skelly (17), Jorginho, Rice, Nwaneri (17), Sterling, Saka, Jesus
Nice to use the youngsters.
That was never a 5-1 game.
At 2-1 it could have gone either way. WH had a few half decent chances and dominated for a good while. The third goal killed it, and the sending off was the nail in the coffin.
Pool's equaliser may well have been offside, I would need to see a replay or a picture with the lines drawn, and WH had two shouts for penalties, neither were pens for me, but @Cazza may well disagree. The first one, the Gomez one, his arm is by his side (it comes out after the ball hits him) and if the ball doesn't hit it, it hits his chest. No pen for me. The Tsimikas one hits his chest. It may well deflect on to his arm, the replay showed it from an angle were Kelleher blocked the view at that stage, but I'm pretty sure they don't give pens for something that deflects on to your arm from your chest when the ball is blasted at you from a few yards.
Although, given there was no VAR, they may well have been given had that cluster **** of a waste of time been in use.
WH definitely didn't deserve a 5-1 hiding though. That game was a lot more even than the score implies.
I thought Curtis Jones and Gakpo played really well, and Tsimikas was a ******* liability. Endo looked rusty as **** too.
Ohh and Antonio is a beast. Not the best player the world has ever seen, but a ******* unplayable man mountain on his day.
At 2-1 it could have gone either way. WH had a few half decent chances and dominated for a good while. The third goal killed it, and the sending off was the nail in the coffin.
Pool's equaliser may well have been offside, I would need to see a replay or a picture with the lines drawn, and WH had two shouts for penalties, neither were pens for me, but @Cazza may well disagree. The first one, the Gomez one, his arm is by his side (it comes out after the ball hits him) and if the ball doesn't hit it, it hits his chest. No pen for me. The Tsimikas one hits his chest. It may well deflect on to his arm, the replay showed it from an angle were Kelleher blocked the view at that stage, but I'm pretty sure they don't give pens for something that deflects on to your arm from your chest when the ball is blasted at you from a few yards.
Although, given there was no VAR, they may well have been given had that cluster **** of a waste of time been in use.
WH definitely didn't deserve a 5-1 hiding though. That game was a lot more even than the score implies.
I thought Curtis Jones and Gakpo played really well, and Tsimikas was a ******* liability. Endo looked rusty as **** too.
Ohh and Antonio is a beast. Not the best player the world has ever seen, but a ******* unplayable man mountain on his day.
I think I agree on the pens- seen them given, but I would be annoyed if they were given against my team. Agree it was never a 5-1 game. We played pretty well until the sending off. Alvarez is so reckless- he never seems to learn. Thought the ref was very poor- gave everything to Liverpool. First Liverpool goal was definitely offside and the third goal came directly after we should've had a corner. That's exactly how we should use Antonio- not a starter anymore, but can still cause problems against a tired defence.
What odds on Pool drawing yet another PL side. Brighton away, fecking tricky that. No, @edd_jedi I don't want to swap with Spurs. You can keep City.
I'm getting very bored of drawing PL side after PL side in the domestic cups. It's not that I view non PL sides as "easy", they are more often banana skins where you 'cant win' ie everyone says you should thump them so big deal if you do. It's more that it's nice to see your side play someone different. That's half the reason I like European football, though if we could stop getting (raped by) Real Madrid that would be nice!
I'm getting very bored of drawing PL side after PL side in the domestic cups. It's not that I view non PL sides as "easy", they are more often banana skins where you 'cant win' ie everyone says you should thump them so big deal if you do. It's more that it's nice to see your side play someone different. That's half the reason I like European football, though if we could stop getting (raped by) Real Madrid that would be nice!
Feck me Spurs are ****. That should have been 6 at least. Timo Werner is robbing a living.
Rumours are Utd will stick with ETH, at least until Porto and Villa are out of the way. Fingers crossed they stick with him for a few years.
Rumours are Utd will stick with ETH, at least until Porto and Villa are out of the way. Fingers crossed they stick with him for a few years.
Agreed. On first viewing it looked like a straight red, but once you see the second angle you can see the slip and the fact contact is fleeting.
VAR should probably have sent the ref to the monitor.
Arsenal escape a red last weekend. Yonder unpronounceable CB should have gone for that block/tackle.
VAR should probably have sent the ref to the monitor.
Arsenal escape a red last weekend. Yonder unpronounceable CB should have gone for that block/tackle.
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I don't really care any more if Ten Hag gets sacked or not, in another 2 years we will be talking about the next manager getting sacked. There are still 3 key players in that squad that are toxic and have got 3 managers sacked. I'll give you a clue they're all English, on massive contracts and there game is suited to playing counter attacking park the bus football. Ten Hag is a good manager and will remind everyone in his next job. Look at Ralph Ranick how he was treated by the players and media. Then look how he got Austria playing at the Euros. It's so obvious what the biggest problem is at Utd and it's not Ten Hag.
I can't wait until the new manager gets a bounce and those same old players have a point to prove that it was Ten Hags fault, then after 2 or so months they decide they don't fancy it any more and start blame shifting again. I just hope INEOS will realise that until Man Utd get off the hamster wheel the 3 year cycle will continue. For. Now the cycle is getting shorter.
One thing I will say about Ten Hag is he's a fighter and the closest thing at the club we have to anything resembling the glory days. Every time he's out in a corner he fights his way out, they will probably get a result at Porto. But certain players know that a loss to Villa will be enough to get him out next Monday.
On a positive note it's shaping up to be a great season, Chelsea, Spurs and Villa look to have got there act together and Liverpool look to be on an upward trajectory. Should be entertaining!
I can't wait until the new manager gets a bounce and those same old players have a point to prove that it was Ten Hags fault, then after 2 or so months they decide they don't fancy it any more and start blame shifting again. I just hope INEOS will realise that until Man Utd get off the hamster wheel the 3 year cycle will continue. For. Now the cycle is getting shorter.
One thing I will say about Ten Hag is he's a fighter and the closest thing at the club we have to anything resembling the glory days. Every time he's out in a corner he fights his way out, they will probably get a result at Porto. But certain players know that a loss to Villa will be enough to get him out next Monday.
On a positive note it's shaping up to be a great season, Chelsea, Spurs and Villa look to have got there act together and Liverpool look to be on an upward trajectory. Should be entertaining!
Lads, it's Utd……
They'll beat Porto and draw with Villa. Doing JUST enough to stagger on for a few more weeks, by which time someone else will be 'in crisis' and the media circus will have moved on.
Brentford, Fenerbache aka Jose coming back, WH and then Leicester in LC after the next (AHH FFS
, WHAT THE **** DO WE NEED ANOTHER ******* DULL AS ****) International break.
I saw something implying Utd/Ineos weren't keen on sacking ETH as it would cost them 18-20m. It would 'only' have been 10m if they sacked him last summer. Alternatively they could have, maybe, not given him a one year extension over the summer. Not like he is going to find a bigger/better club coming in for him.
Even if he goes, who is out there? Tuchel? He falls out with everyone inside two years, hardly what Utd need. Potter/Southgate hardly one the fans will be excited about. RVN, very limited managerial experience and probably just another club legend to be ****** under the bus.
What Utd need is a manager who knows how to rebuild a club, or knows how a good club should be run and who will tell the Board AND be backed by them. The latter might now happen with Ineos, but I'm not sure. Really, you need someone like the Jose of 10yrs ago. His brand of football is finished now though, and needless to say Utd wont be daft enough to go back. Besides which Jose is now a parody if the man he used to be.
Ohh and I did see someone on Twitter saying sack ETH and appoint Ancelotti. Apparently Utd are the biggest club in the world so Carlo would obvious bin Madrid for Manchester.
It gave me a laugh.
They'll beat Porto and draw with Villa. Doing JUST enough to stagger on for a few more weeks, by which time someone else will be 'in crisis' and the media circus will have moved on.
Brentford, Fenerbache aka Jose coming back, WH and then Leicester in LC after the next (AHH FFS
, WHAT THE **** DO WE NEED ANOTHER ******* DULL AS ****) International break.I saw something implying Utd/Ineos weren't keen on sacking ETH as it would cost them 18-20m. It would 'only' have been 10m if they sacked him last summer. Alternatively they could have, maybe, not given him a one year extension over the summer. Not like he is going to find a bigger/better club coming in for him.
Even if he goes, who is out there? Tuchel? He falls out with everyone inside two years, hardly what Utd need. Potter/Southgate hardly one the fans will be excited about. RVN, very limited managerial experience and probably just another club legend to be ****** under the bus.
What Utd need is a manager who knows how to rebuild a club, or knows how a good club should be run and who will tell the Board AND be backed by them. The latter might now happen with Ineos, but I'm not sure. Really, you need someone like the Jose of 10yrs ago. His brand of football is finished now though, and needless to say Utd wont be daft enough to go back. Besides which Jose is now a parody if the man he used to be.
Ohh and I did see someone on Twitter saying sack ETH and appoint Ancelotti. Apparently Utd are the biggest club in the world so Carlo would obvious bin Madrid for Manchester.
It gave me a laugh.
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Give me a break on Ancelotti, players haven't got the mentality for a coach like that anyway. They moaned that Ranick made them train in the dark and that Ten Hag makes them run to much. Imagine Rashfords reaction to being subbed because he keeps losing the ball.
I see Bruno's red card has been over turned, was hoping to see a starting 11 without him in it!
I see Bruno's red card has been over turned, was hoping to see a starting 11 without him in it!
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Tell me sacking Ten Hag will make things better long term one more time.
https://www.unitedinfocus.com/news/...-to-shame-one-is-good-enough-for-real-madrid/
https://www.unitedinfocus.com/news/...-to-shame-one-is-good-enough-for-real-madrid/
Utd's problems are many. The manager is one. But a new manager doesnt solve them. For evidence look at what happened when Moyesy got sacked, and LVG, and Jose, and Ole, and Ralf.
Recruitment has been piss poor for years. It is easier to settle in at club that is flying rather than one in all but permanent crisis. But how many of Utd's signings since Fergy left have improved or looked good value for money. Not many.
The constant leaking of news and rumours is another.
Pish investment in infrastructure and training grounds.
The behind the scenes staff, scouts, coaches, medical staff, all seem poor.
I'm no fan of theirs but I'm not sure if the Glaziers cop any blame. Yes, they leech money from the club and they are the worst kind of owners, BUT all Utd managers have still had money to spend, and invariably spent it badly. It may be that X manager wanted (say) Kane for 100m but the owners only wanted to spend 70m so he ended up with Hojlund (for example) in which case we can blame. But we don't know if those conversations happened, plus every manager always wants more.
All in, the club is a mess, and has been for years
Recruitment has been piss poor for years. It is easier to settle in at club that is flying rather than one in all but permanent crisis. But how many of Utd's signings since Fergy left have improved or looked good value for money. Not many.
The constant leaking of news and rumours is another.
Pish investment in infrastructure and training grounds.
The behind the scenes staff, scouts, coaches, medical staff, all seem poor.
I'm no fan of theirs but I'm not sure if the Glaziers cop any blame. Yes, they leech money from the club and they are the worst kind of owners, BUT all Utd managers have still had money to spend, and invariably spent it badly. It may be that X manager wanted (say) Kane for 100m but the owners only wanted to spend 70m so he ended up with Hojlund (for example) in which case we can blame. But we don't know if those conversations happened, plus every manager always wants more.
All in, the club is a mess, and has been for years
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All roads lead to the Glazers, INEOS have just spent £200 million on 6 players that are meant to go into the starting 11 and everyone expects instant Brazil 70' football, it's ridiculous. Ten Hag has his issues don't get me wrong. All the money spent and we haven't had a fit left back since January, simple things like that stand out to me, Luke Shaw should have been replaced by now. The goalkeeper is like a poppadom stopping a bowling ball, but no desire from anyone at the club to replace him.
As for the leaks, apparently Rashford has leaked that he's not the leak!
As for the leaks, apparently Rashford has leaked that he's not the leak!
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Seen a few people lay the blame at the doors of the three English players (Shaw, Sir Marcus and Fat Maguire). Who knows who is to blame.
How many of Ineos's signings have improved the starting eleven? I agree Onana hasnt. Who else is theirs, zirkzee, the right back from Bayern, DeLigt, the young CB who is injured and Ugarte?
Actually, if that is their lot then it's too soon to pass judgement. I doubt they will ALL be a huge success, not a dig at Utd just a reflection that not all transfers work out brilliantly.
How many of Ineos's signings have improved the starting eleven? I agree Onana hasnt. Who else is theirs, zirkzee, the right back from Bayern, DeLigt, the young CB who is injured and Ugarte?
Actually, if that is their lot then it's too soon to pass judgement. I doubt they will ALL be a huge success, not a dig at Utd just a reflection that not all transfers work out brilliantly.
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Agreed it's too early to say, the keeper, Antony, Mount, Malacia have all be disastrous from Ten Hags first 2 seasons, Martinez and Hojland are positive, anyone who thinks there not doesn't watch Man Utd. They need pretty much all the new signings to click pretty fast. Then the development of Mainoo, Garnacho and Ahmad has been excellent, all given debuts under Ten Hag, something know one wants to talk about.
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On Mainoo, Garnacho and Ahmad, I dunno how much credit ETH deserves there. He gets credit for playing them, but the fact they were ready/good enough is probably more due to the coaching staff and their own efforts. I guess he gets a little credit for having the guts to pick them. But a cynic would point out the rest of the squad was so underperforming/injured/**** he had nothing to lose.
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Careful you almost gave him some credit there, that won't do. He gets all the credit from me. Best 3 young players to come through in years.
Both goals tonight down our left side, surprise, surprise no fit left back and that's pretty much where all our goals conceded this season have come from. No left back and a left winger that won't track back.
Both goals tonight down our left side, surprise, surprise no fit left back and that's pretty much where all our goals conceded this season have come from. No left back and a left winger that won't track back.
The last point was to blame for one of the first two, I cant remember which. His man had all day to pick his spot and whip in a cross as Sir slowly jogged back as if it was stoppage time in a testimonial. I called it in real time it was that easy to spot. I'm not surprised he was subbed. If I was his manager I would have subbed him for that, but the pundits and TV were dumb founded cos he was playing well going forward. Ehhh guys, modern football means you have to work as well. And feck me that Porto keeper was woeful. Had they had Stevie Wonder or Stephen Hawking (RIP) in nets the score would have been the same.
Onana should have done better for one of the goals too, he just palmed it straight into the danger area.
Still, super Harry Maguire to the rescue to keep ETH in a job for another week.
Onana should have done better for one of the goals too, he just palmed it straight into the danger area.
Still, super Harry Maguire to the rescue to keep ETH in a job for another week.
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The pundits were embarrassing, if Porto had a decent keeper we probably lose 3-0. I can't see anything other than a Villa win on Sunday. As for Bruno, he's playing that badly we actually looked better after he got sent off.
I see Liverpool have an interesting run of fixtures coming up.
I see Liverpool have an interesting run of fixtures coming up.
Aye pretty brutal run from here until mid December.
Palace (A), Chelsea (H), Leipzig (A), Arsenal (A), Brighton (A) cup, Brighton (H), Leverkusen (H), Villa (H), Saints (A), Real (H), City (H), Newcastle (A), Everton (A).
Everton being the third of EIGHT games in December.
We find out how good Pool, are under Slot over the next two months.
Palace (A), Chelsea (H), Leipzig (A), Arsenal (A), Brighton (A) cup, Brighton (H), Leverkusen (H), Villa (H), Saints (A), Real (H), City (H), Newcastle (A), Everton (A).
Everton being the third of EIGHT games in December.
We find out how good Pool, are under Slot over the next two months.
You can count on many things in life - the sun will rise, flowers will wither, leaves will fall... and Spurs will lose 3-2 after being 2-0 up at half time. I called it, should have put a bet on it. Ange has zero game management plan, it might be fun for the neutrals but it's bloody boring to watch over and over again as a supporter. On the plus side, 2 week international break 
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I think the players have to take responsibility for Spurs being Spurs, second half you could tell the players rested on their morals.
Spurs have got a similar problem to Man Utd where this inability to be elite week in week out is in the clubs DNA, Arsenal and Liverpool had it and turned it around eventually.
Without banging on about Man Utd to much, it looks like Ten Hag will get sacked tomorrow, will be an interesting international break I think.
Spurs have got a similar problem to Man Utd where this inability to be elite week in week out is in the clubs DNA, Arsenal and Liverpool had it and turned it around eventually.
Without banging on about Man Utd to much, it looks like Ten Hag will get sacked tomorrow, will be an interesting international break I think.
I saw the Spuds game. Definition of a game of two halves. It was as if Spurs had a few beers at HT.
@theforceuk you think so? What I hear is the Boatd are happy to stick with him at the minute. I'm still scratching my head over them giving him a nee contract in the summer. Zero benefit for Utd in doing it.
@theforceuk you think so? What I hear is the Boatd are happy to stick with him at the minute. I'm still scratching my head over them giving him a nee contract in the summer. Zero benefit for Utd in doing it.
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You may be right, but the latest is there's an executive meeting tomorrow with Malcom Glazier, Sir Jim and Sir David which all want to change manager.
I wouldn't sack him now, may as well keep him until the end of the season and see how he does until then. It's still so early in the season. Onana (spelling) is on for the golden glove!
I wouldn't sack him now, may as well keep him until the end of the season and see how he does until then. It's still so early in the season. Onana (spelling) is on for the golden glove!
As per the BBC….
"Since ETH was appointed in summer 2022, no PL side have conceded three or more goals in a match in all competitions more times than Utd's total of 24. And in 62 games since the start of last season, Utd have conceded twice on 31 occasions, the most of any PL side."
Granted those stats are tilted by the fact the relegated sides, who tend to be piss poor at the back, are only in the PL for one or one and a bit of those seasons. And also a lot of sides don't have European football, BUT…….**** ME!!!!
And yet Onana was in the running for the Golden glove last year and this. It's bizarre. CS or ship a **** tonne. Nothing in between
Although, Alison seems to have lost the CS he surrendered when he went off on Saturday. Allowing for that he has 5 from 7.
"Since ETH was appointed in summer 2022, no PL side have conceded three or more goals in a match in all competitions more times than Utd's total of 24. And in 62 games since the start of last season, Utd have conceded twice on 31 occasions, the most of any PL side."
Granted those stats are tilted by the fact the relegated sides, who tend to be piss poor at the back, are only in the PL for one or one and a bit of those seasons. And also a lot of sides don't have European football, BUT…….**** ME!!!!
And yet Onana was in the running for the Golden glove last year and this. It's bizarre. CS or ship a **** tonne. Nothing in between
Although, Alison seems to have lost the CS he surrendered when he went off on Saturday. Allowing for that he has 5 from 7.
