Premier League 2020/2021 Thread

[weasel]

Ahhh with you now.

TBF, only two trophies that really count, and City are still on to win both of them.

FAC and worthless Cup are both just trinkets.


Ps, I assume you mean the '99 treble of PL, FAC and CL, and not Jose's ultimate plastic treble of Charity Shield, Worthless cup and EL!? :wink:

 

[theforceuk]

The ultimate treble is the 99' one and as a Man Utd fan it's satisfying that with all the money Man City have thrown at winning stuff they still haven't done it, especially in a season with no fans. I agree the feeling of winning the Champions League and League in one season is up their with the treble, but to win the FA Cup as well is better. Obviously the only thing that can beat it is the League Cup as well.

I think it's funny how Pep is moaning about how many games they have played this season, he has two teams to pick from that are better than most other teams in Europe.

 

[lejackal]

Sorry but **** VAR.

Sakas little toe is half off at best and the rest of his body is leaning away from goal to get the ball, if anything his toe being 3mm in front of the defenders is a disadvantage

 

[weasel]

The ultimate treble is the 99' one and as a Man Utd fan it's satisfying that with all the money Man City have thrown at winning stuff they still haven't done it, especially in a season with no fans. I agree the feeling of winning the Champions League and League in one season is up their with the treble, but to win the FA Cup as well is better. Obviously the only thing that can beat it is the League Cup as well.

I think it's funny how Pep is moaning about how many games they have played this season, he has two teams to pick from that are better than most other teams in Europe.

From memory Utd's PL points total in 99 was pretty low for a title winning side. Still an amazing achievement. I just mean they prob lost more/won fewer games than City will this yr. Albeit it's trophies that count.

Sorry but **** VAR.

Sakas little toe is half off at best and the rest of his body is leaning away from goal to get the ball, if anything his toe being 3mm in front of the defenders is a disadvantage

That penalty looked a joke. It was a dive for me. Only seen bits of the game though

 

[theforceuk]

[mention]weasel[/mention] I know what your saying, but we actually only lost 3 games in the league, 1 in the league cup and the Charity Shield to Arsenal. So we lost 5 games in all competitions, that's actually less than Arsenals invincible season. We had Bayern Munich and Barcelona in the group stage of the Champions League, knocked out Inter Milan and Juventus on route to the final. Our run to the FA Cup final included Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal. Unbeaten in all 3 competitions from January to May. It was an incredible season with a tremendous amount of luck and a group of players that never new when they were beaten. We had a back 4 that could all play with each other and 2 goals would usually win the game.

I think if someone said would you swap Man Utd's 3 Champions leagues and Treble season for Liverpool's 6 European Cups and no treble I would take it. But living that season in 98-99 was amazing, I actually went to Old Trafford a bit that season and was lucky enough to be at the Spurs game on the last day of the season.

This comparison with teams now and then is pretty pointless, 20 years ago all the teams that competed for titles did so off their own backs, Man City hardly existed before their billion air owners came in and everything they have won is because they have thrown more and more money at it. Would Pep be Man City manager if they had the budget of the old City? No he would be at Chelsea or PSG as manager. Liverpool have competed with them because of some great signings and brilliant coaching, from money the club generated, just like the 1999 treble winning side. I would go as far to say that Man City and Chelsea have ruined football as much as VAR. Look at the semi final line up, Chelsea, Man City and PSG, all teams that have thrown the history books out of the window because of billion air owners. What other sport can that happen in? Rant over! lol

 

[weasel]

@weasel I know what your saying, but we actually only lost 3 games in the league, 1 in the league cup and the Charity Shield to Arsenal. So we lost 5 games in all competitions, that's actually less than Arsenals invincible season. We had Bayern Munich and Barcelona in the group stage of the Champions League, knocked out Inter Milan and Juventus on route to the final. Our run to the FA Cup final included Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal. Unbeaten in all 3 competitions from January to May. It was an incredible season with a tremendous amount of luck and a group of players that never new when they were beaten. We had a back 4 that could all play with each other and 2 goals would usually win the game.

Yeah, fair dos. I stand corrected.
I had forgotten about your FAC run that year, it was a procession of nightmare draws. The kinda **** Pool get (and lose) ATM.

And I agree on the current CL last four.
I don't mind City as a club, maybe it's cos they have been so shite so recently their fans aren't as deluded or entitled as those of Chelsea (and Utd&Pool) and they do try and play good football.
But you can't escape the fact that their entire success is based on someone else's bank account (ditto 90% of Chelsea's).

Football's bubble will burst eventually and the rich men will move on to something else. When it does City/Chelsea and PSG are in trouble.


On that note, as a fan of a big 6 side, can I just say the European Super League they are threatening to join is a scandalous idea and is purely about greed.
I agree wholeheartedly with GNev, deduct pts from all 6, fine them (hundreds of millions) or relegate them. They deserve it. Disgusting idea. All it will end up with the same 20 sides playing every year, no relegation so clubs wont change, and the fans being charged £30 a game on PPV. I won't pay it. If sky or BTSport get the rights, I'll cancel my subscription when they hike the price by £200 a year.

 

[theforceuk]

Completely agree, it should be called the get the ritch ritcher league not the super league. It's disgusting that this is being even discussed during a Pandemic. The only thing I hold on to is that it's only a very small amount of elite people that want this and it will get blocked. Makes me lough that Man Utd and Arsenal think they should be in a Super league, WTF is super about either club? Man Utd haven't been any where near winning the league for 8 years and Arsenal even longer.

Can you imagine how boring that league would be.

No German clubs voted for it because 51% of the shares have to be owned by the fans in Germany, that rule should be universal.

 

[lejackal]

The cunty league coming to fruition would see the end of my arsenal supporting days and I imagine it would spark a number of AFC Wimbledon type set ups appearing.

 

[weasel]

Bye bye Jose you ****!

**** off and stay the **** ****ed off and never come the **** back to the ****ing PL and darken it with your cunty negative personality and hateful football.

Wanker.

 

[Snaketibe]

Bye bye Jose you ****!

**** off and stay the **** ****ed off and never come the **** back to the ****ing PL and darken it with your cunty negative personality and hateful football.

Wanker.

I do wish you wouldn't sit on the fence and tell us how you really feel :lol:

I can't say I'm sorry to see him go. Spurs' performances under Jose certainly haven't been great for the vast majority of the time, even last year when they were winning games and were top of the league. I've become thoroughly sick and tired of the boring, negative, ultra-defensive playing style of Spurs, where they take an age to move the ball forward (allowing the opposition to get all their men behind the ball), would rather pass it backwards than cross it into the box, and would also rather pass it back to Lloris than pass it forwards. It's negative, it's boring, and above all, IT DOESN'T WORK! It didn't work under Pochettino, and it hasn't worked under Jose.

 

[weasel]

I do wish you wouldn't sit on the fence and tell us how you really feel :lol:

I love Jose, I will miss his smiling happy face and his ever eager willingness to accept responsibility for bad things.

Still at least I never said he was yesterday's man and a bad appointment for Spurs

https://starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=39223&p=533108&hilit=yesterday#p533108

https://starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=39223&p=521177&hilit=jose#p521177

 

[lejackal]

A cynical person might question the timing of the sacking giving the super shite league announcement yesterday :lol:

 

[theforceuk]

Bye bye Jose you ****!

**** off and stay the **** ****ed off and never come the **** back to the ****ing PL and darken it with your cunty negative personality and hateful football.

Wanker.

Liverpool are interested in Ronaldo and Ramos! lol

 

[weasel]

A cynical person might question the timing of the sacking giving the super shite league announcement yesterday :lol:

Apparently they are unrelated. So Spurs say.


I do like how UEFA are going bonkers and calling this idea "self-serving" and "fuelled by greed above all else". They apparently don't have any sense of irony, or they have one hell of a brass neck.
This is the same UEFA who demand that the countries hosting the European Championships and cities hosting the CL final etc. don't charge them any tax. The same UEFA that has secret Swiss bank accounts.

This European Super League is a shameful idea and should never have come to light, but UEFA are only one very small shade of brown, less of a steaming pile of shite themselves. Yet, you listen to them and you would think they are whiter than white and purer than Mother ****ing Theresa

 

[edd_jedi]

Well it's been an interesting 24 hours as a Spurs fan :lol:

I still don't believe any manager can get us top four or win a trophy with this useless defence, least of all Ryan Mason who is now caretaker, but I would thoroughly love to be proven wrong. Jose is obviously a divisive character but he's one of the few managers that will call out these lazy, over-paid wastes of space. I don't believe a single one of our defenders cares about Spurs, possibly with the exception of Eric Dier who is the least talented of all of them. The rest are just there counting their money. I would rather have seen them gone than Jose, again happy to be proven wrong.

**** knows what the ESL is about to do to the game, it will be an interesting few weeks, although a slight silver lining might be if they kick all the PL clubs out of this season's European leagues :lol: But in all seriousness apart from the obvious lack of competitiveness in the format, I am finding it difficult to see how this new league is any more about money or greed than the existing competitions.

 

[lejackal]

The existing competitions are about money and greed but surely it's better to have competitions that in theory anyone can win given a bit of good fortune and skill?

If the new **** league starts in August (as unlikely as it might be it is possible) what in holy **** is the point in bothering with the PL or EL this season? Obviously I want arsenal to be in the CL but they should be there on merit, not because they negotiated the best business deal

 

[weasel]

The clubs in the ESL have been guaranteed 3.5 BILLION each. I'm not sure how many years that is over (the article said "initial commitment period") that is to support their "infrastructure investment." You tell me what affect that has on the competitiveness of the PL.
And that money is guaranteed as you can't be relegated out of this new ESL.

The CL does, and has, distorted football. Badly. A lot of European leagues are now a formality. The PL is probably the only league where you would have a chance of being wrong if someone gave you three shots at picking the winner before the season started. Giving the "big 6" an extra 3.5 billion is hardly gonna to engender more competition. It will just mean everyone else is playing for 7th, or if they are really lucky, 6th.
It closes the door on any competition, and means we get to see Pool v's Real and Barca and Juve at least twice a year. That takes away half the excitement. The CL is good precisely because you don't play everyone every year. Playing a European game, EL included, is great for fans because they get to see new and different sides. This ESL will be the same teams playing every single year.

I've heard it described as the Americanisation of football. No coincidence that a lot of owners are American, or advised by Americans (Bruce Buck at Chelsea, Kronke at Arsenal, Glaziers, FSG). The world series of football

 

[edd_jedi]

That's exactly it. Americans want to watch Manchester United, South Koreans want to watch Spurs because of Son, etc. Some massive markets that have no interest in watching Leicester play Liepzig. The lack of competitiveness is what they need to figure out if it's going to work, the clubs have already made a rod for their own back paying wages that far exceed ground and TV rights revenue so something has to budge - maybe all these players who are in 'uproar' about the ESL will drop to 'only' 50k a week to save the sport they 'love' ?!

 

[lejackal]

Sega knew.....

 

[weasel]

That's exactly it. Americans want to watch Manchester United, South Koreans want to watch Spurs because of Son, etc. Some massive markets that have no interest in watching Leicester play Liepzig. The lack of competitiveness is what they need to figure out if it's going to work, the clubs have already made a rod for their own back paying wages that far exceed ground and TV rights revenue so something has to budge - maybe all these players who are in 'uproar' about the ESL will drop to 'only' 50k a week to save the sport they 'love' ?!

That is another aspect that bugs me. If these clubs are so stretched financially, and I think ALL clubs are, then you do what any business does and cut costs. Most clubs have wage bills that are 80% of turnover, or more, which is stupid/scary/daft/scandalous. The obvious place to start would be to stop paying players obscene wages. DDG on 300kpw. He's good, but really!?
I know you can't bring in a salary cap as European law won't allow it, and a voluntary one is only going to last a few months before someone breaks it and it all falls apart. But the main problem football has IS the wages paid to players, and the money handed to agents for basically FA. If that is solved, then suddenly budgets and balance sheets become a lot less stressed and the need for ESL reduces.

Mind you, the Glazier's would just pay themselves the extra money for their superb "consultancy". Ditto Kronke at Arsenal. We all know season ticket prices wouldn't come down, and there's no chance that clubs would reduce the cost of replica kit or TV deals.