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That's unbelievable! Pep should buy a lottery ticket, not that he needs to, but still.
Premier League 2020/2021 Thread
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The thing is I don't really think it does them any favours, he's only won it once during that period and notably lost the final to Wigan in 2013. A side as strong as City would have much more chance of winning the competition by eliminating other strong sides early on.
I still find it hard to believe that Arsenal have won it four times in the last 7 years, considering they've barely scratched the top four during that period can anyone deny they are the flukiest team in football!? We all know a massive dose of luck comes in to cups with draws etc, but even so a mid table team (and I'm not taking the piss by saying that, it's a fact) winning it four times in quick succession either shows the competition is a joke or they are extremely lucky.
I still find it hard to believe that Arsenal have won it four times in the last 7 years, considering they've barely scratched the top four during that period can anyone deny they are the flukiest team in football!? We all know a massive dose of luck comes in to cups with draws etc, but even so a mid table team (and I'm not taking the piss by saying that, it's a fact) winning it four times in quick succession either shows the competition is a joke or they are extremely lucky.
OK maybe a slight exaggeration, but outside the top four for the last four seasons, and with all due respect no threat of winning the league for 15+ years. A betting man would have had money on the dominant PL teams winning the cup during that period. Apart from City's win in 2019, no PL title winner or even contender has won it during that period.
Enjoy it by all means, but you've got to admit it's nothing more than luck. And yes of course I'm bitter that Spurs haven't won it at least once recently :lol:
Enjoy it by all means, but you've got to admit it's nothing more than luck. And yes of course I'm bitter that Spurs haven't won it at least once recently :lol:
Or put it this way - Arsenal finished 8th when they won the FA Cup last season. The team currently in 8th this season (Villa) have been knocked out already, so let's go with Everton who are 7th, their current odds to win the cup are 14-1. And then do it four times in seven years :lol:
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It just comes down to on the day in the FA Cup and Arsenal often turn up especially against the better teams. I mean its luck to an extent but not all. I think you have City and Liverpool who have been head and shoulders above everyone else for the last 3-4 seasons but the FA Cup is low on the priority list and then you have Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd and probably Leicester who really need to win something. Arsenal seem to do it for some reason, god knows why!
I remember the season Arsenal went unbeaten and won the league they were miles better than Man Utd that season and the two met in the semi finals, Utd won 1-0. I've always thought it came down to who wanted/needed it more on the day as the league was out of reach for Utd.
I remember the season Arsenal went unbeaten and won the league they were miles better than Man Utd that season and the two met in the semi finals, Utd won 1-0. I've always thought it came down to who wanted/needed it more on the day as the league was out of reach for Utd.
I guess it's just a bit of a shame that the big clubs don't take it seriously any more, it used to be a big deal when a team won a treble, probably United in most recent history. Maybe it's because most of the managers and players are foreign now?
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edd_jedi said:
I think if you look at the previous FA Cup winners the big teams are still winning it, you can't really say Arsenal and Chelsea aren't big teams just because City and Liverpool have walked the league. Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs have all got more pedigree in all the big trophies than Man City. I also think Liverpool have made a conscious effort to priorities the league, that said Liverpool have historically struggled in the FA Cup, think they have only won it 7 times in total.
You have got a point though, its been going this way for some time, it really is at the point where the top top sides would ditch the FA Cup for a European Super League which for me would be the beginning of the end of football as we know it.
theforceuk said:
That's why I find it strange that it hasn't been a priority for City, unlike Liverpool they have only been a big team for about 10 years so you would think playing catch up on the domestic trophies to gain the same kind of historical significance would be a priority. It's actually mind boggling that they have only won it once in the last decade.
edd_jedi said:
Not just big clubs who don't take it seriously, I don't really give a **** about the domestic cups. The worthless cup in particular is an utter waste of time. The FAC does have a little residual value from childhood's spent watching the final (I think the Cov Spurs final was the 1st game I watched...it was ****). But I would swap a first round beating for 3pts in the league, or in the CL, in a second. Without hesitation or regret.
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I get what your saying [mention]edd_jedi[/mention] they did win it in 2011 as well, if you look at who's won it in the last 40 years the bigger sides are still winning it at the same rate. Look at Liverpool in the 70's and 80's they hardly won it, but won 4 European Cups and god knows how many league titles in that period.
It's interesting and surprising to note that Arsenal haven't lost a final since 2001. I would never have thought that.
It's interesting and surprising to note that Arsenal haven't lost a final since 2001. I would never have thought that.
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edd_jedi said:
No Just the FA Cup, 6 FA Cup finals they have won in a row, they have completely bottled the league cup and champions league final though in that time. lol. Man Utd have lost 3 out of there last 5 FA Cup finals.
I agree [mention]weasel[/mention] about the League Cup, it's a waste of time and it's days are numbered. The only positive for the big clubs is that the final is in February, this year it's in April though.
edd_jedi said:
I don't see why they don't make the LC for the non European qualified sides only. Keep the EL spot for the winner, but anyone who is in the CL or EL group stages should be excluded. Ok, the sponsorship money will drop, but it gives every side in it a decent shot of winning and getting in to Europe.
The alternative is, as you say, just scrap it.
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lejackal said:
Its mad they have lost all those finals but won there last 6 FA Cup finals! Beaten Chelsea in two of those finals as well.
edd_jedi said:
Exactly, also the revenue it generates for smaller clubs that " giant kill" through the rounds, they get excitement for their fans and money for their clubs
Well thinking rationally, drawing with a team that recently beat Leicester and held Liverpool isn't THAT bad a result. But still, that was a must-win game for Spurs, and they blew it. Unlucky to an extent, Son's shot against the post and Regulion's late disallowed goal, but I am not seeing the ruthless Jose I was hoping for. Why is Aurier still starting after that shambles against Leicester? You don't need to rest defenders, sack off Aurier and Sanchez who we know are both useless and play Doherty and Alderweirald (who bizarrely both featured against Marine!)
And can anybody honestly tell me that Winks or Sissoko are better than Bale?! Even a slightly injury prone and older Bale? I just can't understand why he's not playing him. We need a winner on the pitch, he's the only one we have.
It's a really unforgiveable result for me, you can make top four without beating the big six, you cannot if you keep throwing away points against bottom half teams. That's one win in six now, relegation form!
And can anybody honestly tell me that Winks or Sissoko are better than Bale?! Even a slightly injury prone and older Bale? I just can't understand why he's not playing him. We need a winner on the pitch, he's the only one we have.
It's a really unforgiveable result for me, you can make top four without beating the big six, you cannot if you keep throwing away points against bottom half teams. That's one win in six now, relegation form!
edd_jedi said:
Agreed, it was a terrible result, and one of far too many lately for Spurs. Yes, they were unlucky as Son could easily have had a hat-trick, and on another day he would have, but even so, when Spurs go one-nil up at present, they seem to start to sit back and not press on to get a second goal and kill the game. They're simply not good enough (at least not enough of the time) to sit back and defend a slender one goal lead for most of a game. They always end up conceding, so they either need to get much better defending those slender leads, or else keep doing what they do well, which is to attack when appropriate and get the ball to Kane and Son.
