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I must admit I did find it hilarious that after weeks of complaining about penalties, he concedes two in one game :lol: no arguments though, both clear penalties and as everyone else has said, if you put out a team with an average age of 13 what do you expect? Arrogance is the right word.
Yeah both penalties, no arguments.
I agree his team selection was asking for trouble. The lack of big names on the bench, rather than not in the team. Saying that, that still wasn't an Arsenal side that should have lost to Forest. No disrespect to forest but Arsenal still have 7 (I think) internationals in that team. Granted they may not have played together, as a team, much but they should still have had enough quality to beat Forest. It's not like they met for the first time in the warm up.
I wonder when Arsene will see sense and move on?!
Most Arsenal fans I know expect him to die in the job.
I agree his team selection was asking for trouble. The lack of big names on the bench, rather than not in the team. Saying that, that still wasn't an Arsenal side that should have lost to Forest. No disrespect to forest but Arsenal still have 7 (I think) internationals in that team. Granted they may not have played together, as a team, much but they should still have had enough quality to beat Forest. It's not like they met for the first time in the warm up.
I wonder when Arsene will see sense and move on?!
Most Arsenal fans I know expect him to die in the job.
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I reckon Arsene will go at the end of the season, the new backroom team are just about in place and the latest signing was not an Arsene one. A new football director (that's not allowed to be called an FD) and new head scout are in just need a new manager
I don't think he disrespected the cup, he's won it more time than most prem teams and he always has similar 3rd round team selections. I think the team let him down with the second stringers not playing for him anymore. Suspect Chelsea in the semis of the league cup may have been a bit of an influence but not particualrly and certainly no excuse for his choices for the bench
Sad but defintiely time for Arsene to go
I don't think he disrespected the cup, he's won it more time than most prem teams and he always has similar 3rd round team selections. I think the team let him down with the second stringers not playing for him anymore. Suspect Chelsea in the semis of the league cup may have been a bit of an influence but not particualrly and certainly no excuse for his choices for the bench
Sad but defintiely time for Arsene to go
It's certainly getting tight in the league behind City, that's for sure! I didn't think City would go the whole season undefeated, but I certainly didn't expect Liverpool to be the team that beat them either. A great win for 'pool fans, I'm sure, although I imagine there were more than a few squeaking bums on Merseyside as the 2nd and 3rd City goals went in! :lol:
And as for Arsenal's disappointing loss to the mighty Bournemouth, as a humble Spurs fan, I can only offer my heart-felt hilarity and hope that Wenger remains at the helm for another ten years
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OK, I'm not going to gloat any more than that, since as any Spurs fan will tell you, we're more than capable of far worse results than that, if we really put our minds to it! I imagine come the end of the season, Arsenal will still be up there in the top 5 or thereabouts, but I can't see Wenger leaving before the end of the season unless they start plummeting down the table, which I really don't think will happen. Loyalty alone will prevent Arsenal from removing him. Overall (and in all seriousness), I think Wenger has been a tremendous manager for Arsenal down the years, but I do agree that it is time for him to move on.
And as for Arsenal's disappointing loss to the mighty Bournemouth, as a humble Spurs fan, I can only offer my heart-felt hilarity and hope that Wenger remains at the helm for another ten years
.OK, I'm not going to gloat any more than that, since as any Spurs fan will tell you, we're more than capable of far worse results than that, if we really put our minds to it! I imagine come the end of the season, Arsenal will still be up there in the top 5 or thereabouts, but I can't see Wenger leaving before the end of the season unless they start plummeting down the table, which I really don't think will happen. Loyalty alone will prevent Arsenal from removing him. Overall (and in all seriousness), I think Wenger has been a tremendous manager for Arsenal down the years, but I do agree that it is time for him to move on.
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I had a feeling Liverpool would win today, they did their best to throw away a three goal lead though. :roll:
Snaketibe said:
REALLY?!?
Every time City have struggled this season it has been when a team has pressed them high and hard. Ehh exactly the way Liverpool play week in week out. Ok, so do Spurs and they got hoked but still. The first game between the two was also fairly close until Mane's red card. Granted City ripped Liverpool apart after that, but Pool won't be the last side to have that done to them by City this year.
I wasn't massively confident about Pool winning today, but they do play the best way to beat City, Klopp has a great record against Pep and City have a woeful record at Anfield.
Let's be fair, on their day Liverpool can beat anyone. And when it's not their day they can make anyone look good, but the first part is still true.
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Is there a team in world football WORSE at holding on to a lead and or seeing out a game than Liverpool?
When it was 4-1 I said to a Utd supporting friend Pool just needed 3 more and THEN I'd be confident of a win. He thought I was joking. Now he understands.
I really really really hope Jurgen is looking for a new keeper cos if you merged Mingers and Karius into one super keeper.......he'd still be ****ing shite.
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They'll be 6th. Does that count as being thereabouts for top 5? They are the worst of the 'big 6'. They have the weakest squad, they are lacking in confidence massively, their manager should have gone 6 years ago, their team is more deadwood than team. How many of the Arsenal squad wud get a regular game at another big 6 side? 4? And one of them is cech and he would only get a game cos Pool's two keepers are two of the worst in the league. Add to that Sanchez is away and Ozil is out the door after him. That leaves them with 1 player who would get a game and even he is arguable. It's Bellerin for me btw.
Sanchez and Ozil are gone by next season, what 'big' name player will want to sign for Arsenal? Seriously? The club has been going backwards for years, players want clubs with ambition, progressive or successful managers and exciting teams. Arsenal have none of that. Their only hope is to offer stupid wages and that isn't Arsenal's style. Plus if they miss out on CL (they are still in the Europa league so there is a good chance they will make it) they will really struggle to attract players and the loss of income will limit their ability to offer big wages. Plus Chelsea and both Manchester sides have deeper pockets as it is.
I fear this could be the start of a real slide for Arsenal.
And the blame lies with Arsene Wnger and the Board who should have sacked him years ago.
Think you're right Weasel.
I'd have Bellerin at Spurs straight away, Ozil possibly as his assist rate has in his time been phenomenal and we do seem to need that one extra midfield spark to unlock some teams... which sounds kinda mental given a midfield containing (Son), Eriksen and Alli.
Sanchez though... I don't believe the hype and wouldn't be interested in him, even on a free. Spurs don't need a keeper, so Cech doesn't interest me. Other than that, don't see any other Arsenal player worth discussing.
Now having said that they are still in the top six and are likely to finish sixth, so somehow they are doing something right... more often than not or they'd be sixteenth...No idea how they are getting away with it. Spurs seem to have had some poor tactics (sorry Poch, but I can't see how its not your fault in these cases) this season which has cost points simply by not being able to unlock a team and score (despite having maybe 30 shots and 70% possession)... Arsenal seem to get two shots all game they've sat back in and held less than 50% possession and somehow score from at least one of them picking up points in the process.
I'd have Bellerin at Spurs straight away, Ozil possibly as his assist rate has in his time been phenomenal and we do seem to need that one extra midfield spark to unlock some teams... which sounds kinda mental given a midfield containing (Son), Eriksen and Alli.
Sanchez though... I don't believe the hype and wouldn't be interested in him, even on a free. Spurs don't need a keeper, so Cech doesn't interest me. Other than that, don't see any other Arsenal player worth discussing.
Now having said that they are still in the top six and are likely to finish sixth, so somehow they are doing something right... more often than not or they'd be sixteenth...No idea how they are getting away with it. Spurs seem to have had some poor tactics (sorry Poch, but I can't see how its not your fault in these cases) this season which has cost points simply by not being able to unlock a team and score (despite having maybe 30 shots and 70% possession)... Arsenal seem to get two shots all game they've sat back in and held less than 50% possession and somehow score from at least one of them picking up points in the process.
Just thinking about it Uncle Woy gave another demonstration on how to beat City the other week.
Ok Palace didn't win, but with the greatest respect to them, a "better" side may well be able to exploit the weaknesses uncle Woy went for.
He set his two wingers up high and wide. City's two full backs push on a lot, leaving the CB's exposed. 99 times out of a hundred they get away with it cos the other team doesn't have time to pic out passed or can't get through the midfield to get at the CB's. Uncle Woy told his two wingers to stay in behind the full backs. Think of City's back four as being "C" shaped, with the full backs pushed on, rather than the traditional flat "l" shape. Woy had his wingers sit in the pocket behind the full backs but out wide where the CB's wouldn't want to go. He then instructed his team not to worry too much about trying to go through the middle but just to look for those channels at every opportunity. Not pretty. Quite fat Sam-esque in fact, but it was worked and caused City all sorts of problems as their pressing requires the full backs to act as auxiliary midfielders when they attack. They can't do that if they are having to chase back and mark a winger every 2 minutes.
Wenger did a similar thing to Liverpool when Brendan had them playing 3 at the back. Theo and I forget who, sat in those pockets and Liverpool hadn't a clue what to do. Obviously, being the tactical genius that he is Brendan did FA and Pool got hoked.
It just shows there is always a way to beat any side. No matter how they step up there is always a weakness or a gap to be exploited.
Ok Palace didn't win, but with the greatest respect to them, a "better" side may well be able to exploit the weaknesses uncle Woy went for.
He set his two wingers up high and wide. City's two full backs push on a lot, leaving the CB's exposed. 99 times out of a hundred they get away with it cos the other team doesn't have time to pic out passed or can't get through the midfield to get at the CB's. Uncle Woy told his two wingers to stay in behind the full backs. Think of City's back four as being "C" shaped, with the full backs pushed on, rather than the traditional flat "l" shape. Woy had his wingers sit in the pocket behind the full backs but out wide where the CB's wouldn't want to go. He then instructed his team not to worry too much about trying to go through the middle but just to look for those channels at every opportunity. Not pretty. Quite fat Sam-esque in fact, but it was worked and caused City all sorts of problems as their pressing requires the full backs to act as auxiliary midfielders when they attack. They can't do that if they are having to chase back and mark a winger every 2 minutes.
Wenger did a similar thing to Liverpool when Brendan had them playing 3 at the back. Theo and I forget who, sat in those pockets and Liverpool hadn't a clue what to do. Obviously, being the tactical genius that he is Brendan did FA and Pool got hoked.
It just shows there is always a way to beat any side. No matter how they step up there is always a weakness or a gap to be exploited.
Yeah you've got to give Arsenal credit for winning FA Cups and finishing in the top 6 for the last few seasons while they have arguably been in crisis. Good fortune and lucky draws maybe, but It's depressing that most people think Spurs have a great manager and great team yet barely scrape a couple more points than Arsenal do and can't even win the League Cup. If Arsenal are the leagues biggest over achievers in recent years, Spurs are the under achievers.
Agree about Sanchez and Ozil, who wants players that have zero loyalty and are only there for the money. TBH I wouldn't cry too hard if Alli left, great player when he can keep a lid on his temper but I put him in the same category as the above, I don't see the same commitment as Kane, Son, Eriksen etc show. It doesn't matter how skilful a player is if they don't give 100%.
Agree about Sanchez and Ozil, who wants players that have zero loyalty and are only there for the money. TBH I wouldn't cry too hard if Alli left, great player when he can keep a lid on his temper but I put him in the same category as the above, I don't see the same commitment as Kane, Son, Eriksen etc show. It doesn't matter how skilful a player is if they don't give 100%.
I have to agree with all of that, especially the Alli comment. If he could keep a lid on his temper, knuckle down, let his talent do the talking and cut out the blatant cheating (a massive pet-hate of mine in the modern game, where it seems to have become an accepted part!), he would be a massive asset to any team. However, this season, whilst thankfully he is at last starting to show glimmers of his old form, he hasn't been at the races for much of the time. He excelled against Real Madrid, but has all too often underwhelmed much of the rest of the time. And I have to wonder why that is, and fear that perhaps he is starting to believe his own hype and thinks perhaps he doesn't need to try so hard against the lesser teams?edd_jedi said:
The main reason Kane is a great as he is, is that he's such a damned hard worker! He works, and works, and works at improving his game, and he has managed to do precisely that, year on year throughout his career. It makes no difference who he plays against, he tries just as hard against the minnows as he does against the big fish. Yes of course he has a lot of natural talent, but unlike Alli (at least it seems to me), he has the constant drive, commitment and motivation to constantly improve and better his game, never getting disheartened when things don't go his way, and never letting it go to his head when he does well... Actually, I'm sure a lot of players could learn a lesson or two from that!
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That's Silva sacked, 8th Premiership manager to be sacked this season. Watford going to get Mark Hughes in. :? :lol:
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I know it's crackers, they are blaming Everton saying it unsettled the club and his focus. They should have offered him a new contract and moved on.
