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HOW was that a penalty? The only way Everton were going to get anything out of that game was by a dodgy refereeing decison and hey presto.
Ok, Lovern's......i can't call it a tackle cos he barely touches him....Lovern's touching of him (insert your own funny) maybe wasn't THE smartest bit of defending ever but **** ME if you are going to give penalties for that then there will be 10 penalties a game. Show me a defender who doesn't touch a man he is marking at some point in the box, during the game!? If that's a penalty then no player will ever stay on his feet when an opponent is within a yard. It's SOOOOOO soft it's ridiculous and it's cost Liverpool 2pts.
It was pretty woeful game, but then when one team turns up with a flat back 9 and just smashes it away for 90 mins there's not much the other side can do. The match stats actually flatter Everton. They were woefully outclassed. If you had shown that to someone who knew nothing about the PL they would have been justified in thinking Everton were a lower league side sitting tight and trying to keep the score down.
Klopp made a few changes, but they didn't affect the outcome, it was purely down to that penalty decision. If it's not given, the game finishes 1-0.
So frustrating.
Watch Utd win now just to round off my weekend.
HOW was that a penalty? The only way Everton were going to get anything out of that game was by a dodgy refereeing decison and hey presto.
Ok, Lovern's......i can't call it a tackle cos he barely touches him....Lovern's touching of him (insert your own funny) maybe wasn't THE smartest bit of defending ever but **** ME if you are going to give penalties for that then there will be 10 penalties a game. Show me a defender who doesn't touch a man he is marking at some point in the box, during the game!? If that's a penalty then no player will ever stay on his feet when an opponent is within a yard. It's SOOOOOO soft it's ridiculous and it's cost Liverpool 2pts.
It was pretty woeful game, but then when one team turns up with a flat back 9 and just smashes it away for 90 mins there's not much the other side can do. The match stats actually flatter Everton. They were woefully outclassed. If you had shown that to someone who knew nothing about the PL they would have been justified in thinking Everton were a lower league side sitting tight and trying to keep the score down.
Klopp made a few changes, but they didn't affect the outcome, it was purely down to that penalty decision. If it's not given, the game finishes 1-0.
So frustrating.
Watch Utd win now just to round off my weekend.
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I agree that wasn't a pen, far to soft. Ridiculous decision. Man City are going to take some catching now, but you never know. :?
Man Utd froze in the first half, I sware half of it is belief at that level. Man City are on such a good run they have beaten most sides in the head before a ball is kicked, the pundits on Sky were creaming their pants over City today, but I thought Utd lost the game rather than City winning it if that makes sense.
I'm fed up with hearing about Lukaku working hard for the team, we didn't pay 75 million for him to work hard, that should be a given. We paid 75 million for him to score goals and he's not. Drop him.
Man Utd froze in the first half, I sware half of it is belief at that level. Man City are on such a good run they have beaten most sides in the head before a ball is kicked, the pundits on Sky were creaming their pants over City today, but I thought Utd lost the game rather than City winning it if that makes sense.
I'm fed up with hearing about Lukaku working hard for the team, we didn't pay 75 million for him to work hard, that should be a given. We paid 75 million for him to score goals and he's not. Drop him.
I actually thought both games were very very similar for the first 44 minutes.
City blew Utd away, or Utd didn't turn up, you can delete as appropriate. But for the first 44 mins it was ALL City with Utd pinned in their half as were Everton against Pool. Ok, it wasn't quite as one sided as the Merseyside derby, but it was complete dominance by City. They then scored a horrible scrappy goal and right up until Utd equalised I thought it was a rerun of the Merseyside derby.
That Utd equaliser was woeful defending by Delph. Otamendi drops a bollock missing the ball but Delph is alseep. I think he just confirmed for Pep (assuming Pep didnt already know) that he isn't good enough and City need a back up LB.
As for City's winner, it was deserved, they were much the better side, though that second half was a pretty poor advert for PL footy, but again the defending that led to it was shambolic. WTF Lukaku us doig I'll never know. School boy stuff.
City definitely deserved to win, and that's the title race over. Though it was probably over regardless.
On the subject of Lukaku, and ignoring his defensive lapse, is he a flat track bully? He hasn't shown up in any game against a "big" side. Yet he has bagged more than his fair share against the lower lights. He's far from a bad player. I actually think he's very good, but I think that's all he is. A very good PL player. He will help Utd beat the dross in the league but I don't think he's good enough to cause the big teams a problem, and certainly not someone the bigger European sides will worry about. That's fine if that's why Utd bought him, but if that is why they bought him £75 milion is a hell of a lot to pay, and I'd want a bit more threat against the big boys. Surely someone like Utd, who shud/will b hoping to win the CL, should be signing players who are able to do more than score against dross?
Obviously this defeat will have Jose bleating on about needing MORE money, like he hasn't spent three fortunes already, but then he is, and always has been, a cheque book manager.
Thoughts on Lukaku welcome though.
City blew Utd away, or Utd didn't turn up, you can delete as appropriate. But for the first 44 mins it was ALL City with Utd pinned in their half as were Everton against Pool. Ok, it wasn't quite as one sided as the Merseyside derby, but it was complete dominance by City. They then scored a horrible scrappy goal and right up until Utd equalised I thought it was a rerun of the Merseyside derby.
That Utd equaliser was woeful defending by Delph. Otamendi drops a bollock missing the ball but Delph is alseep. I think he just confirmed for Pep (assuming Pep didnt already know) that he isn't good enough and City need a back up LB.
As for City's winner, it was deserved, they were much the better side, though that second half was a pretty poor advert for PL footy, but again the defending that led to it was shambolic. WTF Lukaku us doig I'll never know. School boy stuff.
City definitely deserved to win, and that's the title race over. Though it was probably over regardless.
On the subject of Lukaku, and ignoring his defensive lapse, is he a flat track bully? He hasn't shown up in any game against a "big" side. Yet he has bagged more than his fair share against the lower lights. He's far from a bad player. I actually think he's very good, but I think that's all he is. A very good PL player. He will help Utd beat the dross in the league but I don't think he's good enough to cause the big teams a problem, and certainly not someone the bigger European sides will worry about. That's fine if that's why Utd bought him, but if that is why they bought him £75 milion is a hell of a lot to pay, and I'd want a bit more threat against the big boys. Surely someone like Utd, who shud/will b hoping to win the CL, should be signing players who are able to do more than score against dross?
Obviously this defeat will have Jose bleating on about needing MORE money, like he hasn't spent three fortunes already, but then he is, and always has been, a cheque book manager.
Thoughts on Lukaku welcome though.
On another note, i watched 45 mins of Barca Villareal.
**** me Barcelona are poor.
Take Messi out of that team and they are a bang average CL side. Suarez is in the worst run of his career, Busquets and Pique are still quality but they are slightly past their best, the rest of that team is mediocre or is/was/never-will-be, good enough. Iniesta wasn't playing, though he is prob similar to Pique and Biscuits, albeit a year or two further down the line.
Apart from Suarez and Neymar, when was the last time Barca signed someone who turned out to be decent?
They were crying out for someone who could pick a pass or inject a bit of life. Someone like ehhh Coutinho
It is Messi or bust for them at the minute. I expect as soon as that transfer window opens they will be in the phone to FSG about Coutinho. If they have any sense they will be after a few others as well cos that team needs major work done to it.
**** me Barcelona are poor.
Take Messi out of that team and they are a bang average CL side. Suarez is in the worst run of his career, Busquets and Pique are still quality but they are slightly past their best, the rest of that team is mediocre or is/was/never-will-be, good enough. Iniesta wasn't playing, though he is prob similar to Pique and Biscuits, albeit a year or two further down the line.
Apart from Suarez and Neymar, when was the last time Barca signed someone who turned out to be decent?
They were crying out for someone who could pick a pass or inject a bit of life. Someone like ehhh Coutinho
It is Messi or bust for them at the minute. I expect as soon as that transfer window opens they will be in the phone to FSG about Coutinho. If they have any sense they will be after a few others as well cos that team needs major work done to it.
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I just think Lukaku should be dropped every now and then. Try something different, Martial or even Rashford through the middle. But no we've paid 75 million for someone so they start regardless of form. :roll:
I don't think City outright deserved that result, yeah they had all the ball, but that means nothing. 8 shots on target compared to Utd's 5. Can't complain really thou, they are by far the best team at the moment. Would be funny if they didn't win anything again this season, Pep's spent nearly £500 million in 3 transfer windows. :shock: City are a cheque book club/team with a cheque book coach full stop.
I don't think City outright deserved that result, yeah they had all the ball, but that means nothing. 8 shots on target compared to Utd's 5. Can't complain really thou, they are by far the best team at the moment. Would be funny if they didn't win anything again this season, Pep's spent nearly £500 million in 3 transfer windows. :shock: City are a cheque book club/team with a cheque book coach full stop.
Chelsea Barca, Spuds Juve, Pool Porto, Utd Sevilla, and City Basel.
The first two got tough draws, the last three should win those games. I'd be very confident of 2 English sides in quarter finals and I'd say 50:50 you may even get four.
The first two got tough draws, the last three should win those games. I'd be very confident of 2 English sides in quarter finals and I'd say 50:50 you may even get four.
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http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premier-league-last-five-seasons/transfer-league-tables/premier-league-table-last-five-seasons
No real surprises in the table, bar Spuds.
Palace and Everton having a higher Net spend than Pool surprised me. But I guess you can insert your own comment about 'net spend' and granted it is affected by one large sale, Suarez in Pool's case. That'll also be why Spuds are so low down the table.
Regardless three teams stand out, head and shoulders above everyone else in terms of spending.
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Yeah I know Utd have spent a lot as well, but everyone has to, to keep up with City and Chelsea. I know City fans who admit they would be know where at all without the money and your in complete denial if you think anything else. No matter what you say City have completely brought success. At least the Chelsea team of 2004 onwards were already going in the right direction and challenging for the league before they were brought out.
This is the best stat.
http://www.newstalk.com/man-utd-incredible75-year-streak
This is the best stat.
http://www.newstalk.com/man-utd-incredible75-year-streak
Oh aye, no arguments City have bought the league. Chelsea did the same. I think I remember reading when Ken Bates sold them to Roman they were months away from doing a Leeds/Portsmouth. So if Roman hadn't turned up, or had picked another club Chelsea would most probably now be a mid table Championship side.
Such is the way of things. One small decison, not only saved Chelsea's bacon, it made them a force in domestic and European football. Ditto the decision by the Board at Old Trafford not to fire Fergy after his initial underwhelming performances.
City get a little bit less grief from me (for buying titles) because their fans have been through rough times, league one as it is now, and they do seem to be genuinely appreciative of what they have. Obviously there are a few bellends, but in general they don't have the arrogant self entitled attitude that so many Chelsea fans have. And indeed so many Utd fans (maybe, just the fair weather fans) have. Also City do seem to be trying to do things right, they have huge top of the range facilities and are investing in youth development. Chelsea just sign a load of boys. Loan them out and hope a few come good or can be flogged on. I'll take the youth system every day thanks.
Also City have never employed, John Terry, Ashley Cole, Didier Drogba or Jose Mourinho. Horrible horrible human beings one and all.
I guess the fact City are good to watch helps win them a little kudos from me. Something you have never been able to say about Chelsea. And something I havent been able to say about Utd since Fergy left. Yes, a Liverpool fan can admit Utd were good to watch, albeit I hated watching them.
But, you're right, both Chelsea and City are where they are now becuase someone is throwing money at them. Not that Utd or Liverpool would say "No thanks" if Bill Gates offered them a spare £10 billion. Though obviosuly Liverpool still wouldn't bother to buy a CB, LB or goalkeeper. :roll:
Such is the way of things. One small decison, not only saved Chelsea's bacon, it made them a force in domestic and European football. Ditto the decision by the Board at Old Trafford not to fire Fergy after his initial underwhelming performances.
City get a little bit less grief from me (for buying titles) because their fans have been through rough times, league one as it is now, and they do seem to be genuinely appreciative of what they have. Obviously there are a few bellends, but in general they don't have the arrogant self entitled attitude that so many Chelsea fans have. And indeed so many Utd fans (maybe, just the fair weather fans) have. Also City do seem to be trying to do things right, they have huge top of the range facilities and are investing in youth development. Chelsea just sign a load of boys. Loan them out and hope a few come good or can be flogged on. I'll take the youth system every day thanks.
Also City have never employed, John Terry, Ashley Cole, Didier Drogba or Jose Mourinho. Horrible horrible human beings one and all.
I guess the fact City are good to watch helps win them a little kudos from me. Something you have never been able to say about Chelsea. And something I havent been able to say about Utd since Fergy left. Yes, a Liverpool fan can admit Utd were good to watch, albeit I hated watching them.
But, you're right, both Chelsea and City are where they are now becuase someone is throwing money at them. Not that Utd or Liverpool would say "No thanks" if Bill Gates offered them a spare £10 billion. Though obviosuly Liverpool still wouldn't bother to buy a CB, LB or goalkeeper. :roll:
Apparently Everton have been gurning that they never get penalties. Well that's 3 in two games, none of which where penalties, so we can put that one to bed.
The one against Pool was soft as ****, the first against Swansea was equally soft. There is no way that amount of contact should bring down a child, never mind a full grown man. Players are going to start going over at the slightest hint of a fart soon. Referees need to stop falling for it or bring in the 4th official and let him decide. A little bit of contact does not equal a penalty FFS, the clue is in the fact football is CONTACT sport. Contact is ALLOWED!
As for the second pen Everton got last night, it was foul, but it was outside the box. Still not like Swansea could have done with a point :roll: I'm sure they won't mind the opposition getting two non penalties.
The one against Pool was soft as ****, the first against Swansea was equally soft. There is no way that amount of contact should bring down a child, never mind a full grown man. Players are going to start going over at the slightest hint of a fart soon. Referees need to stop falling for it or bring in the 4th official and let him decide. A little bit of contact does not equal a penalty FFS, the clue is in the fact football is CONTACT sport. Contact is ALLOWED!
As for the second pen Everton got last night, it was foul, but it was outside the box. Still not like Swansea could have done with a point :roll: I'm sure they won't mind the opposition getting two non penalties.
Some result for Bristol City last night. I saw the last 35 mins and fair play to them they are a very decent side. They get the ball down and try and play football. No hoof and hope BS. I hope fat Sam was watching (with his pint of white wine).
Shambolic defeat for Utd. Granted that wasn't their first choice eleven, but in no way shape or form could it be called "weak". No team featuring Lukaku, Pogba, Martial, Mkhitaryan, Shaw, Lindelof, Rojo, Darmian, Blind, Ibra, Rashford etc etc should be losing to a Championship side. A very good Championship side, but a Championship side none the less.
Two great goals as well. To have a CM breaking beyond your striker in stoppage time against Utd says a lot.
Although, much as I enjoyed Utd getting beaten, it's ONLY the worthless cup. It's a competition I just can't care about. Even if Liverpool win it, I still don't consider it a "major" competition. For me it's barely above the level of the Charity Shield, the European Super Cup or that World Club cup farce Real just won. There are four competitons that are worth winning the Champions league, PL, Europa League (quite a way behind the PL, and ONLY because it has a CL spot) and finally the FAC. Everything else is just meaningless.
Obviously, I'm saying that as a Liverpool fan, if you support a lower league club then the above can be disregarded as different clubs have different aims and ambitions.
Didn't stop me laughing at Utd and Jose mind.
Shambolic defeat for Utd. Granted that wasn't their first choice eleven, but in no way shape or form could it be called "weak". No team featuring Lukaku, Pogba, Martial, Mkhitaryan, Shaw, Lindelof, Rojo, Darmian, Blind, Ibra, Rashford etc etc should be losing to a Championship side. A very good Championship side, but a Championship side none the less.
Two great goals as well. To have a CM breaking beyond your striker in stoppage time against Utd says a lot.
Although, much as I enjoyed Utd getting beaten, it's ONLY the worthless cup. It's a competition I just can't care about. Even if Liverpool win it, I still don't consider it a "major" competition. For me it's barely above the level of the Charity Shield, the European Super Cup or that World Club cup farce Real just won. There are four competitons that are worth winning the Champions league, PL, Europa League (quite a way behind the PL, and ONLY because it has a CL spot) and finally the FAC. Everything else is just meaningless.
Obviously, I'm saying that as a Liverpool fan, if you support a lower league club then the above can be disregarded as different clubs have different aims and ambitions.
Didn't stop me laughing at Utd and Jose mind.
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Yeah what a great result for Bristol City and English football in general, shame they have got City in the semi finals, but you never know. :roll: That result has been coming for Utd and their will be a phew more before the end of the season.
I actually think it is a competition worth winning, especially now we basically have 6 very strong teams which are capable of getting to the knock out stages of the Champions League. That with the fact that it's done and dusted by the end of February. I think if you can win any of the major trophies and or mount a title challenge as a supporter you have to be happy with that. It's a day out at Wembley in a cup final at the end of the day.
Sorry Weasel I disagree with you this time! :lol:
I agree out of all the major trophies it the last one you would pick as a player or supporter.
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I actually think it is a competition worth winning, especially now we basically have 6 very strong teams which are capable of getting to the knock out stages of the Champions League. That with the fact that it's done and dusted by the end of February. I think if you can win any of the major trophies and or mount a title challenge as a supporter you have to be happy with that. It's a day out at Wembley in a cup final at the end of the day.
Sorry Weasel I disagree with you this time! :lol:
I agree out of all the major trophies it the last one you would pick as a player or supporter.
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I new you wouldn't agree with me on that. The thing is it's the only time European clubs get a chance to compete with the South American teams and it's a competition you can only win by being the champions of your continent. I do take your point and it's only my opinion, the fact you only have to play 3 games to win it.
I think if they expanded it as in only having it every 4 years and had the last 4 champions from the last 4 seasons from Europe and South America, that would make it more prestigious.
The way I look at it is if you've won the European Cup and domestic league the only thing left really is the Club World Cup, that really means something? :?
I take your point.
I think we come at it from opposite ends. You see it as reasonably prestigious cos you have to have won the CL to be in it. That's fair enough. I look at it from the point of view that winning the CL gets you into the European Super Cup and no one counts that as a proper trophy (apart from Jose no doubt, only if he wins it though) also, i think, the European sides get a bye into the semi final stage and bar the south american champions, everyone else isn't even Europa league standard.
There is potential to make it a decent competition, but i just don't know where it fits in the calendar. Between domestic leagues, CL, and summer tournaments, I'm not sure there is room for another, albeit small, competition. An added problem is that it would need to be played around Nov/Dec, just when the CL group stages are coming a climax. Maybe "climax" isn't the right word as most CL groups are as predictable as the sun rising, but I can't see UEFA being keen to push a competiton that will distract attention away from their show piece. Also, it always seem to be played outside of Europe which will affect the chances of people watching it.
I think we come at it from opposite ends. You see it as reasonably prestigious cos you have to have won the CL to be in it. That's fair enough. I look at it from the point of view that winning the CL gets you into the European Super Cup and no one counts that as a proper trophy (apart from Jose no doubt, only if he wins it though) also, i think, the European sides get a bye into the semi final stage and bar the south american champions, everyone else isn't even Europa league standard.
There is potential to make it a decent competition, but i just don't know where it fits in the calendar. Between domestic leagues, CL, and summer tournaments, I'm not sure there is room for another, albeit small, competition. An added problem is that it would need to be played around Nov/Dec, just when the CL group stages are coming a climax. Maybe "climax" isn't the right word as most CL groups are as predictable as the sun rising, but I can't see UEFA being keen to push a competiton that will distract attention away from their show piece. Also, it always seem to be played outside of Europe which will affect the chances of people watching it.
Some game Arsenal Pool. Not gonna comment on the defending, that's why neitehr side has even remote PL title chances. As for Mingolet, I think I might have made my opinion on him fairly clear on the 376,248 other times he ****ed up and cost Pool pts.
Looks like fat sam's new tactics with Everton are 10 at the back and hope to get a lucky goal or soft penalty. Tactical genius auld sam.
Looks like fat sam's new tactics with Everton are 10 at the back and hope to get a lucky goal or soft penalty. Tactical genius auld sam.
I'm glad you neutrals enjoyed it, cos I hated almost every second of it. As a Pool fan you literally can't relax unless you're 4 up or the final whistle has gone.
They really are like Keegan's Newcastle.
They really are like Keegan's Newcastle.
