PL 2017-2018 Thread

theforceuk said:
I think some of the hatred between the fans at the games these days is ridiculous, from a time gone by and their is no place for it anymore. I suppose when I first whent to a Liverpool v Man Utd match I thought it was funny, but I was 18 and it was nearly 20 years ago.

Yeah it's really not very pleasant. It's a shame football fans can't give each other a bit of light hearted stick without getting physical. I have been to a couple of Spurs V Arsenal games and probably won't go to another, it's not a nice atmosphere. Last time I had a guy covered in blood running straight past me on the way out!
 
edd_jedi said:
theforceuk said:
I think some of the hatred between the fans at the games these days is ridiculous, from a time gone by and their is no place for it anymore. I suppose when I first whent to a Liverpool v Man Utd match I thought it was funny, but I was 18 and it was nearly 20 years ago.

Yeah it's really not very pleasant. It's a shame football fans can't give each other a bit of light hearted stick without getting physical. I have been to a couple of Spurs V Arsenal games and probably won't go to another, it's not a nice atmosphere. Last time I had a guy covered in blood running straight past me on the way out!

That's pretty shocking, my Dad stop going to Old Trafford because some bloke got bottled and carried out on a stretcher. That was in 1969! and it's still happening now by the sound of things.
 
edd_jedi said:
theforceuk said:
I think some of the hatred between the fans at the games these days is ridiculous, from a time gone by and their is no place for it anymore. I suppose when I first whent to a Liverpool v Man Utd match I thought it was funny, but I was 18 and it was nearly 20 years ago.

Yeah it's really not very pleasant. It's a shame football fans can't give each other a bit of light hearted stick without getting physical. I have been to a couple of Spurs V Arsenal games and probably won't go to another, it's not a nice atmosphere. Last time I had a guy covered in blood running straight past me on the way out!

Really sad to read that Edd, the only times in a decade of being a season ticket at WHL that I really experienced disgusting behaviour by visiting fans were the West Ham fans... Anti Semetic chanting and 'gas chamber hissing'... pretty much every season sadly. At least with the Arsenal fans, although they made it clear how much they hated you and your team, I never felt threatened personally or upset by their behaviour though.

Having said that, the only time I came away with bruises was at home to Arsenal, but it was more of a crowd panic as we headed past the police and I got pushed into them, stumbled forward and got an extended truncheon to my ribs for the trouble. Can't actually blame the copper for effectively defending himself from a lurching skin-head dressed in Stone Island and Timberland boots... looked like a right hooligan! I may be a small bloke, but he didn't know I'd had a shove, just saw me heading his way fast I guess! :lol:

Travelling away was always a bit more squeeky, but I never went looking for trouble, so thankfully outside of a bit of pushing and shoving (and a fair bit of verbal obvs), never got in any scrapes. Even travelling to Europe... yes, Spurs have played in Europe in my life time! :roll: I always felt ok... in fact more often tha not I ended up with photos with oppo fans etc. I guess there are bad experiences in everything you can do, but there can also be good experiences too.

Is it right that folk get so over the top nasty, no of course not. Is it good to be passionate about your team... of course. Has social media got a lot to answer for... Oh boy, does it ever! My experiences though have genuinely been ones that suggest its not as bad as it can be seen to be at times, more small pockets of louder folk making it worse than it is and worse for those having to witness it.
 
Jesus Liverpool defending abysmally we've not seen that before. Very strange that their lack of a decent Keeper, LB and CB should be exposed cos no one had spotted it before, and it's definitely something that has just cropped up recently and hasn't been an issue since Rodgers' time. I can, being generous, understand the logic in not going after plan B when the VVD deal fell through, thinking long term and all that but Mingers and Karius have never looked convincing and as for Moreno. So WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY not buy a new keeper and LB? It's sticking your head in the sand.

I saw something today that said spurs were superb yesterday, now I admit I only saw bits of the game, but from what I have seen and read it wasn't spurs playing well it was Liverpool defending as badly as any PL side has done in years. That's not meant as slight on spurs, but if your opponents are THAT incompetent you don't need to play well, you just need to be a shade less shite. Spurs were a lot of shades less shite (they're a great side) but I wouldn't say they were superb, they didn't need to be. They didn't really even need to get out of third gear. That's just how bad Liverpool were.

Two final points, one I'll not be commenting on Liverpool again cos I'm refusing to watch them until they buy a keeper, LB and CB. Continuing to do the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity. I've had enough of watching Mingers, Lovern and the abomination that is Moreno making **** up after **** after **** up. If you keep playing them they will keep making mistakes. I ain't watching any more. I'd rather go and headbutt a wall for 2 hours. It'd be less painful.

Secondly, Jose Mourinho had an entire international break to assess that Liverpool team and he decided.............not to attack them.
Let that sink in for a minute.
 
Well it didn't take a genius to predict that
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41683786

You can't win games without a recognised striker. Everton and Liverpool are testament to that. That's not really Koeman's fault. I reckon Farhad Moshiri, Bill Kenwright and Steve Walsh should all be held accountable for failing to replace Lukaku given that Koeman was unhappy at not getting an out and out striker.
 
TheJabbaWookie said:
Well it didn't take a genius to predict that
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41683786

You can't win games without a recognised striker. Everton and Liverpool are testament to that. That's not really Koeman's fault. I reckon Farhad Moshiri, Bill Kenwright and Steve Walsh should all be held accountable for failing to replace Lukaku given that Koeman was unhappy at not getting an out and out striker.

Yeah, not surprised Koeman got the boot, although I do think he is a decent manager. He just tried to change too much at once. Whoever was in charge of their summer recruitment and failed to sign a replacement for Lukaku (all their eggs were in the very optimistic basket marked "Olivier Giroud") is the one who should be fired. I dunno if it was Koeman or not, but ultimately he pays the price.

Gotta disagree on Liverpool failing to win a game cos they don't have a recognised striker. They keep failing to win games cos their defence is woeful and they keep missing the bucket load of chances they create. Have a look at the stats, in most of the games they have lost this year, bar Spuds and City, they have had miles more shots than the other side. They just lose cos they insist on shooting wide and playing Moreno/Mingers/Lovern. That's quite different to not having a striker. They have Sturridge and Ings, both of whom are strikers. Arsenal have played a similar way with a fairly fluid front three when Giroud isn't on the pitch. City do something similar, albeit Aguero sits more centrally. It's a formation designed to accommodate three attacking players rather than a default set up cos they don't have a striker.

I will agree that Everton not signing the striker they blatantly needed (the fat, smoking, has been, granny shagger doesn't count, he's long since been fit for the scrap heap) is very similar to Liverpool not buying a keeper, CB or LB. Both clubs need to take a long hard look at their summer transfer dealings.
 
Yeah that Liverpool result makes Man Utd look like a bunch of Swiss bankers. I thought Spurs played well, but yeah Liverpool encouraged them to attack more and more as the game whent on. I know it's getting towards the end of October, things are taking shape, but it's still early days. :?

Man Utd result has been coming, annoys me that JM won't play Rashford and Martial together. :roll:

Good result for Arsenal, Wenger will get offered a new contract soon.

As for Everton, I'm not suprised either. Although everyone goes on about them spending £140 million, don't forget they sold one of the most prolific strikers in Europe, it's always going to be difficult after that. It's not as if they can go and buy a striker as good.
 
weasel said:
Gotta disagree on Liverpool failing to win a game cos they don't have a recognised striker. They keep failing to win games cos their defence is woeful and they keep missing the bucket load of chances they create. Have a look at the stats, in most of the games they have lost this year, bar Spuds and City, they have had miles more shots than the other side. They just lose cos they insist on shooting wide and playing Moreno/Mingers/Lovern. That's quite different to not having a striker. They have Sturridge and Ings, both of whom are strikers. Arsenal have played a similar way with a fairly fluid front three when Giroud isn't on the pitch. City do something similar, albeit Aguero sits more centrally. It's a formation designed to accommodate three attacking players rather than a default set up cos they don't have a striker.
Honestly, I think that if Liverpool had a world class striker like Kane or Aguero they would be converting a few more of those shots created. And also the reason he's not playing Sturridge and Ings up front is because they are not reliable and World Class, so he has to play Firmino (Who is excellent but IMO can not be converted like Henry). Sturridge is still living off of his one good season playing alongside Suarez.

I do agree that their biggest Achilles heel is the god awful defence. They need a keeper, CD, LB. Why he persists in playing Moreno. They looked much better with Milner playing there last year no that is no solution. And Henderson is not the player he was 2 seasons ago.
 
weasel said:
I'll not be commenting on Liverpool again cos I'm refusing to watch them until they buy a keeper, LB and CB. Continuing to do the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity. I've had enough of watching Mingers, Lovern and the abomination that is Moreno making **** up after **** after **** up. If you keep playing them they will keep making mistakes. I ain't watching any more.

I know where you're coming from, I felt like that a couple of seasons ago when every time Spurs conceded a goal Danny Rose and Kyle Walker were in the opponents penalty area. There's no point being an "attacking defender" if you don't do any defending :lol: it was a sigh of relief for me this season when Walker went to City.

I think it's a shame Koeman has gone, it's not his fault the retards he works for sold their only good player. Bilic can't have much time left either.
 
I don't think I've seen Spurs play so deep this season before the 'Pool game. They seemed to invite Liverpool onto them and just played counter after counter again and again. Quite different to the ultra high line they have been playing till now. Be interesting to see if this is a new Wembley tactic or just something Poch did for the Liverpool game in order to exploit the space in their leaky defence...

Liverpool's issues are not just a striker at all and in my mind neither are Everton's; both would of course massively benefit from a fantastic one, but its not the whole issue at hand.

Liverpool need a defensive structure; it feels on the surface that they have the players, but they are not gelling together and holding a defensive line at all. They keep playing zonal marking, but all get in the same zone, leaving the others free for attackers to walk through. The CL game shows that they do have players who can put the ball in the oppo net, but if you're 2-0 down in 15 minutes, it becomes a struggle.

As for Everton... how many attacking midfielders do they need and why do none of them play in their best spot. For me the biggest waste here is Gylfi Sigurðsson; they play him as far from the number 10 spot as you can and then wonder why he's not delivering like he did at Swansea... :roll:
 
TheJabbaWookie said:
Honestly, I think that if Liverpool had a world class striker like Kane or Aguero they would be converting a few more of those shots created. And also the reason he's not playing Sturridge and Ings up front is because they are not reliable and World Class, so he has to play Firmino (Who is excellent but IMO can not be converted like Henry). Sturridge is still living off of his one good season playing alongside Suarez.

I do agree that their biggest Achilles heel is the god awful defence. They need a keeper, CD, LB. Why he persists in playing Moreno. They looked much better with Milner playing there last year no that is no solution. And Henderson is not the player he was 2 seasons ago.

Sturridge is a tricky one. IF he is fit and playing regularly he can be, maybe not "world class" but a ****ing fantastic player. The issue is he is made of chocolate so he can't play more than 3 games without getting injured. Thus he is always coming back from injury and rusty so he's not firing on all cylinders, and doesn't play as well as he can therefore he tends not to get the 3-4 games all strikers need to get that sharpness back. It's kinda catch 22.
Ings, I agree isn't close to world class, but I do think he is a solid PL striker. No world beater, but no donkey either.

As for the Moreno/Milner situation. That I will never understand. Milner is a CM who did a very good job of playing LB. Moreno is a ****ing abomination, with NO defensive ability, he has less positional sense than a fresh cow pat, he can't tackle and he can't mark. All kinda big problems for a ****ing defender. Playing him over Milner (in fact anyone) is probably one of the stupidest decisions I can remember any manager making since Graham Souness signed Ali Dia on the recommendation of "George Weah".

SAVORY100 said:
I don't think I've seen Spurs play so deep this season before the 'Pool game. They seemed to invite Liverpool onto them and just played counter after counter again and again. Quite different to the ultra high line they have been playing till now. Be interesting to see if this is a new Wembley tactic or just something Poch did for the Liverpool game in order to exploit the space in their leaky defence...<br abp="589"><br abp="590">Liverpool's issues are not just a striker at all and in my mind neither are Everton's; both would of course massively benefit from a fantastic one, but its not the whole issue at hand. <br abp="591"><br abp="592">Liverpool need a defensive structure; it feels on the surface that they have the players, but they are not gelling together and holding a defensive line at all. They keep playing zonal marking, but all get in the same zone, leaving the others free for attackers to walk through. The CL game shows that they do have players who can put the ball in the oppo net, but if you're 2-0 down in 15 minutes, it becomes a struggle.<br abp="593"><br abp="594">As for Everton... how many attacking midfielders do they need and why do none of them play in their best spot. For me the biggest waste here is Gylfi Sigurðsson; they play him as far from the number 10 spot as you can and then wonder why he's not delivering like he did at Swansea... :roll:

I think Spuds played deep specifically to exploit that gap, or to draw Liverpool's defence up the pitch and open up space for their forwards and Ali to run into. Very good idea. Although probably one of those that had Liverpool scored first and won Potchetino would have been questioned about why he set them up so deep. Such is football.

I agree on Everton and the number 10's thing. They sold their main striker, ok those kind players don't grow on trees and replacing him was gonna be tough. They put all their eggs in the Giroud basket. That was never gonn happen. Even so I don't get why they signed Klassen AND Siggy. Siggy is a class act. One of the best number 10's in the PL outside the big clubs. They spent all summer chasing him, they paid mega bucks and then they play him on the wing!? Why? Why not play him in his best position and DON'T buy Klassen. OR if you have bought KLASSEN first, realise you don't need Siggy so spend your money on something you do need..........like a striker!
Wazza wanting to play number 10 doesn't help either but then Koeman just needed to tell him to stay up the pitch. Point out to the fat has been that he hasn't got the legs and has been bought to score goals not collect the ball off the centre backs in his own half.
 
No trophy for Spurs this season then :lol: I'm sure they will regret that at the end of the season, it wasn't so much the players in the squad, more that the starting 11 was such a random mix of players that rarely play together. It was like Watching England or something, an incoherent team of individuals. Really, really poor performance.
 
Mini99 said:
It was like Watching England or something, an incoherent team of individuals

My thoughts exactly!

Yep, perfectly surmised Edd... not a team, just a collection of chaps that weren't being rested for bigger games. In some ways disappointing to see the league cup being treated in such a way (much discussed over many seasons regarding many many teams before of course), also that Spurs should have had a good shout at silverware if they'd actually gone for this one.
 
Almost stopped watching at 2-0. My boys went to bed, totally disheartened. Shouted up to them when Ayew got his first, then told them they could come and watch when he got his second. They were jumping up and down when Oggy rose like a salmon to head in the winner 8) Played well second half. Not bad for a second string (Bilic made 9 changes, which was more than Spurs). What annoys me though, is where is that fight and application week in, week out? We've got a decent squad, but they're just not playing to anything like their potential. At least it's a ray of sunshine...

As Redknapp said, Spurs seemed complacent and a touch arrogant and had very little response to the second half fight back. Poch clearly wanted the win with his subs, but it was all too little, too late.
 
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