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4th now guarantees CL qaulification through the qualifiers as City can not win CL, so possible 5 English sides in CL next season.
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edd_jedi said:
Ehh it's Liverpool. They'll stuff it up. Moreno to concede a last minute penalty.
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theforceuk said:
Yeah. The CL spot offered by the Europa league is in addition to any countries allocation. Hence Spain had 5 sides in the group stages this season.
IF Liverpool win, they will qualify along with PL top 4.
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edd_jedi said:
Not sure think they have changed the way they do it no like weasel says, winning the CL and EL is a set way of qualifing and before it wasen't. Like when Liverpool won it in 2005 they did not automatically qualify as winners and they had to have a sit down and think about it. :roll: This season 4th would have missed out if both Liverpool and man City won, as UEFA now say one country can't have 6 teams in CL. But from the start all teams no for sure no matter what if you win either CL or EL you qualify for CL. Shame you don't qualify for CL by winning the FA Cup! :lol:
Chelsea won CL in 2012 and Eoropa League in 2013.
From memory Spurs missed out when they came 4th cos Chelsea won the CL and finished outside top four.
And the year Liverpool won it, they should have qualified at Everton's expense. The precedent had been set a few years before in Spain when Real (I think) won it and finished outside the top four. The fourth placed side, Valencia, had their spot given to Real and they went into the Europa League, no fuss. The FA refused to go along with that and insisted they get an extra spot. For once I don't blame Uefa, I blame the FA.
And the year Liverpool won it, they should have qualified at Everton's expense. The precedent had been set a few years before in Spain when Real (I think) won it and finished outside the top four. The fourth placed side, Valencia, had their spot given to Real and they went into the Europa League, no fuss. The FA refused to go along with that and insisted they get an extra spot. For once I don't blame Uefa, I blame the FA.
What an utter shambles from the Hammers yesterday :shock: 
Got it all wrong- Antonio at right back is a massive mistake by Bilic, especially when he has Tomkins and Byram fit. OK as a last resort, but he is fantastic on the wing- as soon as he was moved forward yesterday, he gave them all sorts of problems and we scored. Bilic then moved him back again 10 minutes later! :roll: :lol:
A sad last Saturday at the Boleyn and a real shame we've completely bottled the chance to get top four. I can see us finishing 8th now. Fairplay to Swansea- scraped through the first 25mins yesterday and realised where there were massive holes on the pitch and exploited them at will. Very clinical- think they had 9 attempts to our 27.
Got it all wrong- Antonio at right back is a massive mistake by Bilic, especially when he has Tomkins and Byram fit. OK as a last resort, but he is fantastic on the wing- as soon as he was moved forward yesterday, he gave them all sorts of problems and we scored. Bilic then moved him back again 10 minutes later! :roll: :lol: A sad last Saturday at the Boleyn and a real shame we've completely bottled the chance to get top four. I can see us finishing 8th now. Fairplay to Swansea- scraped through the first 25mins yesterday and realised where there were massive holes on the pitch and exploited them at will. Very clinical- think they had 9 attempts to our 27.
Well that was predictable, knew Spurs wouldn't win today (thought they'd probably draw, but as usual going ahead early pretty much guarantees them losing games for some reason.) I hope Alli and Dembele are proud of their tough guy acts, not only thrown away a title challenge but probably second place now too.
I don't think yesterday's two top four games suited anybody really, I guess Arsenal are the narrow winners as they still have a chance of coming second but equally City and Arsenal are both now at risk of losing out on the top four if United can win their next two games.
Super gutted that Spurs crumbled under pressure as always, but at least they can't finish lower than third now thanks to the other result. I think Arsenal have a 50/50 chance of coming second as let's face it Villa is a gimme, so all depends whether Spurs can beat (or at least draw) with Newcastle. They haven't had much success in recent years though so I'm not overly confident.
So I guess the only interesting thing left this season is can Utd come 4th? You've got to hand it to LVG, for somebody that gets so much stick and everybody thinks is doing a **** job, coming 5th and challenging for 4th isn't the worst place to be. It's exactly where I expected Spurs to be this season.
Super gutted that Spurs crumbled under pressure as always, but at least they can't finish lower than third now thanks to the other result. I think Arsenal have a 50/50 chance of coming second as let's face it Villa is a gimme, so all depends whether Spurs can beat (or at least draw) with Newcastle. They haven't had much success in recent years though so I'm not overly confident.
So I guess the only interesting thing left this season is can Utd come 4th? You've got to hand it to LVG, for somebody that gets so much stick and everybody thinks is doing a **** job, coming 5th and challenging for 4th isn't the worst place to be. It's exactly where I expected Spurs to be this season.
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As a Man Utd supporter I still think LVG should go at the end of the season, standards aren't good enough and were so boreing to watch it's a disgrace.
Yes we can still finish 3rd mathematically, but probably won't beat West Ham tomorrow anyway. It being their last ever game their, it's by no means a certain 3 points.
Then theirs the FA Cup which LVG deserves credit for getting Man Utd to their first major final since 2011. Although the fact we have not had to play Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City or Chelsea in doing so might have something to do with it!
Yes we can still finish 3rd mathematically, but probably won't beat West Ham tomorrow anyway. It being their last ever game their, it's by no means a certain 3 points.
Then theirs the FA Cup which LVG deserves credit for getting Man Utd to their first major final since 2011. Although the fact we have not had to play Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City or Chelsea in doing so might have something to do with it!
I think Utd have the same problem as Arsenal, City and to an extent Chelsea - all three are doing reasonably well anyway (eg finishing in the top half of the table which is by no means a gimme these days) yet want a new manager and expect them to come in and instantly deliver a title. How many managers have done that in the PL, and of those how many are available?
When Pocchetino took over at Spurs it took him a long time to improve on Tim Sherwood's record, and several "world class" managers have become scapegoats for poor seasons in recent years at other clubs. I'm actually on LVGs side when he says it takes time and people expecting instant results are stuck in the past, it's true. 2013 might not seem like long ago but it's a lifetime in football.
When Pocchetino took over at Spurs it took him a long time to improve on Tim Sherwood's record, and several "world class" managers have become scapegoats for poor seasons in recent years at other clubs. I'm actually on LVGs side when he says it takes time and people expecting instant results are stuck in the past, it's true. 2013 might not seem like long ago but it's a lifetime in football.
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I agree Edd, but LVG has had 100 games to improve and convince me that he's taking the club in the right direction. With the resources the club has its a shambles at the moment. Take Buyern Munich as an example, OK they walk the league because it's know where near as competitive as the PL, but they constantly make it to the last 4 or 8 of the CL. We haven't challenged for the title in three seasons and if we don't beat West Ham on Tuesday it will be 2 out of 3 seasons without qualifying for the CL.
Don't get me wrong I don't think Man Utd have a God given right to be competing with the best teams in Europe, but you have to question the way the club is going forward with the resources and fan base they have being an advantage to most clubs on the planet.
Last season I said we should give him another season and he's had it and thrown it away with his sideways football.
I think LVG is doing an atrocious job at OT. The guy has spent A QUARTER OF A BILLION POUNDS, and can anyone really say there is a noticeable difference from the Moyes era? The only difference I can see is Utd are now the worst side in the PL in terms of entertainment. I freely admit to being an ABU, but even I hold my hands up and say Utd under Fergy did play some nice football. It wasn't Barca/Arsenal nice, but it you would happily sit and watch them play. In my case all whilst cheering for the opposition. Now, though it's such awful safety first, non-attacking, entertainment free shite, I would genuinely rather watch a Fat Sam side. Hell, I'd even watch Strictly over Utd.
I know, football is "a results business" and LVG looks like he may well get Utd into the CL again, and he's made a cup final, but surely a club like Utd should be aiming for more than just scraping into the CL and making an FA cup final? Given their resources and the players they have had they SHOULD be cruising a CL spot and pushing for the latter stages of the CL, not crashing out in the group stages. In what was (their usual) cushy group as well.
Yes, it takes time to get used to a new manager and the fact they have had 3 managers in 3 and a bit years doesn't help, but LVG has had 18 months now and I see no sign of progress at all.
He can't even point to a lack of decent attacking options either, he's had Di Maria and nearly destroyed him. He has Juan Mata but prefers Fellaini!? Seriously Man Utd's default tactic should NEVER be hoof long balls at Sideshow Bob and hope.
The man is doing the absolute bare minimum to get by. If Ed Woodward knew how to run a club, or had a set of balls LVG would have been sacked at Xmas. As it stands, he looks like he'll get another year.
Ohh and for the record, I am enjoying it. Just as a football fan I can't see how LVG is still in a job.
I know, football is "a results business" and LVG looks like he may well get Utd into the CL again, and he's made a cup final, but surely a club like Utd should be aiming for more than just scraping into the CL and making an FA cup final? Given their resources and the players they have had they SHOULD be cruising a CL spot and pushing for the latter stages of the CL, not crashing out in the group stages. In what was (their usual) cushy group as well.
Yes, it takes time to get used to a new manager and the fact they have had 3 managers in 3 and a bit years doesn't help, but LVG has had 18 months now and I see no sign of progress at all.
He can't even point to a lack of decent attacking options either, he's had Di Maria and nearly destroyed him. He has Juan Mata but prefers Fellaini!? Seriously Man Utd's default tactic should NEVER be hoof long balls at Sideshow Bob and hope.
The man is doing the absolute bare minimum to get by. If Ed Woodward knew how to run a club, or had a set of balls LVG would have been sacked at Xmas. As it stands, he looks like he'll get another year.
Ohh and for the record, I am enjoying it. Just as a football fan I can't see how LVG is still in a job.
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So it's half time and LVG decides to bring on MC, now thier is a central midfielder who passes the ball forward.
To late the damage is done.
I would get special one in tomorrow at least things would be interesting again.
For the record LVG is gone trust me. :wink:
To late the damage is done.
I would get special one in tomorrow at least things would be interesting again.
For the record LVG is gone trust me. :wink:
An amazing send-off for The Boleyn last night. The game was superb and we thoroughly deserved our win- the result was slightly flattering on Man Utd. The boys were outstanding- Noble, Kouyate etc etc. The celebration afterwards was also excelllent- quite emotional!
Real shame about the handful of bottle throwing idiots before the game- all the media is now focused on this instead of the fantastic game and send-off afterwards. Hope they find them all and ban them for life. You've got to wonder why Man Utd chose to ignore the advice (leave at 4pm) and think they could just roll up at normal time though. Didn't the same thing happen at Spurs recently?
Real shame about the handful of bottle throwing idiots before the game- all the media is now focused on this instead of the fantastic game and send-off afterwards. Hope they find them all and ban them for life. You've got to wonder why Man Utd chose to ignore the advice (leave at 4pm) and think they could just roll up at normal time though. Didn't the same thing happen at Spurs recently?
That was a great game last night. WH blew Utd away in the first 25 minutes. It really was men against boys. Utd came into much more toward the end of the half, but they have been WH's players tiring. Hammers should really have gone in at HT 2 or 3 up. Andy Carroll NEVER looked like he was gonna score that. He had all the poise and composure of a Centre Back. TF I captained him in FF this week :roll:
Fair play to Utd they were the better side at the start of the second half, and the equaliser had been coming. Not entirely sure they deserved to take the lead, but then it's about taking your chances. WH's equaliser was a bit against the run of play. They almost looked like they had run out of ideas. Once they scored though the pressure was on LVG. He had to attack, Utd had to win, he did try to go for it, a bit, but it smacked of a safety first manager saying "Ehhh I guess this is what we do, right!?"
Maybe I'm being harsh, but Utd never really looked like winning that game once WH equalised. Fair play to Martial, he is a one man (outfield) team. Take him and DDG out of that Utd side and they are solid mid table mediocrity.
That was some send off, and some atmosphere, for Upton Park.
As for those WH fans who threw bottles at the Utd bus. ZERO place for that in modern football. They let their club down badly, on what should have been a night that was remembered for the game and the send off the stadium got, now it will be tarred by their actions. I hope they are caught, charged and banned from all football for life. Sadly I suspect, at best, 1 or 2 will be punished the rest will escape.
Ohh and I do believe that result was the best for Utd for the medium term (next 2/3/4 years). LVG will be sacked or will leave over the summer (Assuming City dnt drop a massive bollock) and someone else will come in and move Utd forward. I don't think Jose "short term manager" Mourinho is the right choice for Utd. Surely they have more options than him, Giggsy or LVG!?
Fair play to Utd they were the better side at the start of the second half, and the equaliser had been coming. Not entirely sure they deserved to take the lead, but then it's about taking your chances. WH's equaliser was a bit against the run of play. They almost looked like they had run out of ideas. Once they scored though the pressure was on LVG. He had to attack, Utd had to win, he did try to go for it, a bit, but it smacked of a safety first manager saying "Ehhh I guess this is what we do, right!?"
Maybe I'm being harsh, but Utd never really looked like winning that game once WH equalised. Fair play to Martial, he is a one man (outfield) team. Take him and DDG out of that Utd side and they are solid mid table mediocrity.
That was some send off, and some atmosphere, for Upton Park.
As for those WH fans who threw bottles at the Utd bus. ZERO place for that in modern football. They let their club down badly, on what should have been a night that was remembered for the game and the send off the stadium got, now it will be tarred by their actions. I hope they are caught, charged and banned from all football for life. Sadly I suspect, at best, 1 or 2 will be punished the rest will escape.
Ohh and I do believe that result was the best for Utd for the medium term (next 2/3/4 years). LVG will be sacked or will leave over the summer (Assuming City dnt drop a massive bollock) and someone else will come in and move Utd forward. I don't think Jose "short term manager" Mourinho is the right choice for Utd. Surely they have more options than him, Giggsy or LVG!?
Ohh and I agree, the game should have kicked off at 8 as scheduled. If Utd are to dumb to realise that the last game at an old stadium may mean there are a few more people around to give it a send off, then they don't deserve to have the KO delayed. Second time this season they've misjudged London traffic. Once is unfortunate. Twice, when combined with the fact it's a last home game, is ****ing stupid.
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Man Utd bus turning up late sums up the way the club is being run they couldn't organise a bus from a to b, think the bus would have got smashed up anyway and as soon as that happens the police will do what ever the away team wants.
More worrying from my point was the reaction of the players on the bus when it was happening, what a complete lack of professionalism and a show of how standards have dropped right through the club.
Man Utd have shown a worrying trend in not being able to defend crosses in general recently and it's worrying for the Cup Final.
As a Man Utd supporter everything about the club is worrying.
More worrying from my point was the reaction of the players on the bus when it was happening, what a complete lack of professionalism and a show of how standards have dropped right through the club.
Man Utd have shown a worrying trend in not being able to defend crosses in general recently and it's worrying for the Cup Final.
As a Man Utd supporter everything about the club is worrying.
So Norwich and Newcastle confirmed relegated after Sunderland's win. Do you think Newcastle will be able to hold on to Benitez? Surely their best chance of bouncing straight back. I can't imagine any teams queuing up to buy their players! On the plus side, hopefully this will make their game with Spurs slightly less important.
Benitez has a break clause if they go down.
Let's see, managing Real Madrid this time last year to managing Newcastle Utd in the Championship away to Burton Albion...........Hmmm. I wonder what he'll do!? Lol.
He is the best thing to happen to them in a year or 3, but he's not daft enough to want to manage in the Championship. He'll have plenty of offers from all over Europe. Bigger clubs, in better leagues, with European football and more money (to spend and to pay him). The guy's won the CL and La Liga (twice), I don't see him being mad keen to add the English Championship to that CV.
Newcastle are a shambles and deserved to go down. I feel sorry for the fans, cos that club is being run by morons. Ashley can either get his head out of his ass, or he can continue to bounce between the lower reaches of PL and Championship. I'm a cynical bastard so I know what my money is on.
As for Norwich, not a huge amount of sympathy. They came back up with the same bunch of players who got them relegated two years ago and what do you know, a bunch of guys who weren't good enough two years ago, ehh, aren't good enough now! What are the odds!?
TBF they didn't spend silly money and that team/squad is a very good Championship squad so they should be in the mix for promotion next year. Just PLEASE don't be ****ing stupid and think Cameron Jerome is a PL striker! Susan Boyle is closer to being a Playboy Bunny.
Let's see, managing Real Madrid this time last year to managing Newcastle Utd in the Championship away to Burton Albion...........Hmmm. I wonder what he'll do!? Lol.
He is the best thing to happen to them in a year or 3, but he's not daft enough to want to manage in the Championship. He'll have plenty of offers from all over Europe. Bigger clubs, in better leagues, with European football and more money (to spend and to pay him). The guy's won the CL and La Liga (twice), I don't see him being mad keen to add the English Championship to that CV.
Newcastle are a shambles and deserved to go down. I feel sorry for the fans, cos that club is being run by morons. Ashley can either get his head out of his ass, or he can continue to bounce between the lower reaches of PL and Championship. I'm a cynical bastard so I know what my money is on.
As for Norwich, not a huge amount of sympathy. They came back up with the same bunch of players who got them relegated two years ago and what do you know, a bunch of guys who weren't good enough two years ago, ehh, aren't good enough now! What are the odds!?
TBF they didn't spend silly money and that team/squad is a very good Championship squad so they should be in the mix for promotion next year. Just PLEASE don't be ****ing stupid and think Cameron Jerome is a PL striker! Susan Boyle is closer to being a Playboy Bunny.
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