Comprehensive Guide to Baggies

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Firstly may I request that NO discussion takes place on this thread as it is intended to be solely a guide & for everyone's help, this can only be achieved if it is easy to navigate, so your cooperation would be appreciated.

For discussion regarding the items on this thread & any help in construction of the guide please may I ask that you post in the thread linked below thank you -

https://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/threads/comprehensive-guide-to-baggies-discussion-hopefully.15934/
Or do please feel free to Private Message me on here.

I aim with a lot of help to in time create a comprehensive guide to all baggie related items which will include all baggies not just Kenner (U.S) issued ones like the former SWCA guide -

http://theswca.com/images-speci/baggiefeature/baggiefeature.html
Baggies were available in many ways, primarily in America in the form of store mail order multipacks like the one below, which spanned the entire film era from SW to ROTJ & were available from US stores like J.C Penny & Sears ETC -

I will go in to detail about these further on in the guide after I have covered the individual figure/baggies & single figure mailers, so the guide will cover in this order (please see list below), please bear with me as said it is a work in progress & will be added to as & when I can & as & when the information becomes available -

1. First individual baggie
2. Single figure mailers
3. Multi-packs
4. Special offer items Kenner US/Canada & Toltoys Australia
5. almost forgot! - popy's
6. fakes & what to look out for
7. Well the guides grown so much now an Index page can be found on the final post (currently Post number 116) on the final page (6), which gives a full breakdown of whats covered & each post has now also been numbered for easier navigation.

Baggies were also packaged together with ships & play-sets toward the end of the toy line when sales had dropped off & many companies like Kenne/Palitoy/Toltoys etc were wanting to try to sell off all their remaining overstock.

This will be a very long road to travel but one I feel really is needed if we are ever to overcome the stigma of the "Billy Boy Scam Monkey Rodgers" incident, a man who has sadly single handed brought any non US issued baggies into disrepute, not idea why TBH though as from all the reading I have done to date he only did fakes in 1 baggie type,that being Palitoy-a & also the Woolworths 8 figure 99p special buys multipacks, but 90% of baggies collectors seem to feel that if it ain't US issued it ain't worth collecting & is most likely FAKE, this is one of the major hurdles this guide is going to face I am sure.

The Revised Kenner baggie Guide - PENDING CONSTRUCTION

https://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/threads/the-revised-kenner-baggie-guide.32744/
Basic rough guide that I did to None US issued baggies that is still a work in progress -

https://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/threads/non-kenner-baggie-basic-guide.13555/#post-184118
There are a great many baggies circulating that are not covered by any form of guide to date & it is these I hope to shed a little more light on, there are also a great many fakes floating about, another point I will be going in to at length in hopes to save others from falling foul of some of the expense & disappointment/frustration I have had when first getting in to collecting baggies.

Remember baggies are one of the easiest items to fake for the untrained eye, so ALWAYS be on your guard when buying a baggie type you are not familiar with or a figure that has to date not been found in that baggie type, if there is a market that is profitable, there will always be those unscrupulous sellers willing to cash in on it for a quick buck.

This is intended to be an "open ended project" that I & with luck YOU will be helping to make into a definitive reference over time.

Here are a few useful links to start the thread in the right direction, if anyone who had made any of the below threads/guides has any objections to them being linked to, please inform me via PM & they will be removed.

Facebook Baggie group for discussion - buying/selling & trading

https://www.facebook.com/groups/983169945045671/
Shawn k's mailer guide -

http://swspaceclub.com/mailaways/
Andy_R's Catalog Multipack collection -

http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1004691/
SWCA Special offer guide -

http://theswca.com/images-speci/special/Specials_files/Specials.html
SWCA Multi Pack Guide, sadly not many of the packs are show with the baggies -

http://theswca.com/images-speci/mailorder/index.html
Couple more threads I have done that may prove useful -

https://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/threads/another-baggie-thread.13576/
https://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/threads/esb-h-style-baggies-wtf-gives.13371/
& another new one if you want to hurt your head regards font variations added 9/7/16 -

https://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/threads/baggies-font-variations-miss-classed-types-etc.30642/
There is a tonne of information I will keep adding to this first post, so do keep checking back on the first page.

It is great news that both UKG & AFA are now using all the extended & amended / new classifications on this guide / the non kenner guide & the revised kenner guide for correct baggie classifications on their grade labels going forward, think that is great news all round.

 

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Post No - 2

2-1B

Palitoy-a

Palitoy-u - PHOTO COURTESY OF Laurence Dyer

ESB-f - Photo courtesy of AJ

ESB-f - Metallic Paint variant

ESB-c Large Font

So far I have only ever seen the plain finish figure in a baggie, never the metallic version EDIT: -Found one see above

 

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Post No - 3

4-Lom
IMAGE NEEDED
Palitoy-a

Palitoy-b / Toltoys - Found in Toltoys single figure mailers

IMAGE NEEDED

ESB-c

ESB-d - Found in single figure Kenner mailers

ROTJ-c EDIT: (from heat sealed to tape as it should be) - If legitimate I assume would have come in a multi-pack, I am however not convinced this is legitimate & it is one of only a couple of baggies I have that is "in question" the seals are correct by the looks of it for a vintage baggie, though no CONFIRMED example has been found to date, EDIT: - now confirmed legit as has been confirmed to be found in multi packs as suspected, I bought this when I first started collecting baggies in 2006

(suspected) Kenner 500 figure shipping case overstock baggie - PHOTO COURTESY OF Snaggletooth

 

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Post No - 4

8D8

Dedicated to Joe

Palitoy-i (open bag) PHOTO COURTESY OF - Kevin Bletsoe Under normal circumstances I do NOT include open baggies in the guide, BUT due to the fact that these Palitoy-i's have been encountered on numerous occasions in this fashion, both on their own with mint figures & accessories as well as no tape residue on the baggies whatsoever & also in sealed woolies 8 packs, I have to assume that they were found both open & in tape sealed formats.

ESB-c Large Font

Euro-a

Euro-a - same as above, but with the inclusion of the Meccano red sticker (free figure offer)

UNCONFIRMED baggie knotted baggie, there were several of these available around 2006/7 time & I took a chance on them after seeing so many of the same figure/baggie combo, they are in a Palitoy-i baggie, but are knotted rather than tape sealed, I can only assume that either

A - they are fake
B - & IMO simply a case of the factory being out of tape on a day & going ahead with the run & knotting them as not to hold up the production line.

I know - I know, a lot will simply scratch these off as not legitimate baggies, but bear in mind the fact that back when these were being made they were never considered to be collectible or likely to be staying in the baggies, so may well be just a production glitch, I am NOT endorsing these as legitimate in ANY way, only stating my opinion, but consider this - if indeed a fake - why bother??, not an expensive figure baggie combo in the first place & where would they have found the cardboard parts for the legs?, it would make little sense to fake this one IMHO.

EDIT 21/9/15 - due to new information, the find of non sealed Palitoy-i baggies from kevin B, I looked back at this baggie again closely & IMO I think this is indeed a Palitoy-i baggie which has been knotted shut, so assuming many of the Palitoy-i's came unsealed, this would add weight to the argument that this is indeed an authentic baggie

There are the circle on hip variations out there if you wanted to go for completeness, I however decided not to go down that route, but have seen circle on both hips/circle on left hip & no circles variations.

 

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Admiral Ackbar

Palitoy-b

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Palitoy-n

Palitoy-r

ESB-c Large Font as found in single figure Kenner Mailer

ESB-d - Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo

ESB-h Photo Courtesy of Brett Meyer

ROTJ-a

ROTJ-c Type-b (Grey/Blue)

ROTJ-h - PHOTO COURTESY OF - Laurence Dyer & to date the only confirmed example as Kenner never used this baggie in multi-packs or special offers, this came in the 3p0 case find from palitoy

OTHER KNOWN BAGGIES FOR THIS FIGURE - NO PHOTO AVAILABLE AS YET - Palitoy-n

 

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Amanaman

Often thought to only be found in one baggie type this fellow.

Palitoy-b -?? EDIT: - not sure of the origins of this one TBH, but see the EV-9D9 in the same baggie, possible woolies 8 pack refugee?, as from what I now understand the jabba's dungeon was a sears exclusive?

ESB-c Large Font

IMAGE NEEDED

POTF-a

POTF-b

 

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Post No - 7

Anakin - I can hear the drones of boredom from here :lol:

Palitoy-a Found in single figure Toltoyls Mailers

ESB-c (Large Font) Found in single figure Kenner Mailers

 

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At-At Commander (General Veers)

Palitoy-a PHOTO COURTESY OF - Laurence Dyer

Palitoy-b

ESB-c Large Font Photo courtesy of Edd Grant

ESB-h

Note to self - check for other Euro baggie for this figure

 

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At-At Driver

Palitoy-q

Palitoy-u - PHOTO COURTESY OF - Laurence Dyer

ESB-a - 1st issue

ESB-c - Small Font

ESB-d

ESB-h (Weapons Error) packed with a Luke Hoth Rifle

ESB-h (Orange Logos)

ESB-h (Red Logos)

Both the Orange & the Red logo baggies above in ESB-h came from the same warehouse overstock find in Canada, I know the argument on actual variation vs Discoloration rages on, but IMO this is another little bit in the puzzle & for me I regard it a true variation - make up your own minds as I am not getting involved in that one! :lol:

ESB-i - Photo Courtesy of Matthew Carlilse

 

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At-St Driver

ROTJ-c Assumed to have been found in Bulk 200 figure shipping cases due to the sheer number of these out there, but not confirmed - EDIT - NOW CONFIRMED see baggies shippers section! - Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo

ROTJ-h

note to self - check for Palitoy examples

 

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B-Wing Pilot - This ones for you Tim!

Palitoy-a

Palitoy-u - PHOTO COURTESY OF - Laurence Dyer

Euro-j - Meccano red sticker (free figure offer)

ESB-i (EX - ESB-h Extra wide) - Note the pistol is in tape, this is normal, both versions shown here (bleed off trimmed & bleed off complete) Complete version Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo

ROTJ-c - Found in a ROTJ Multi-Pack

ROTJ-f - Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo

ROTJ-i - which is often overlooked as an ESB-f

Kenner internal baggie V2

 

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Post No - 12

Barada

ESB-c Large Font - Always seemed odd to me that the POTF ROTJ figure was issued in the ESB Era baggie :? this can be found with both the 1984 & 1985 date stamp / coo

 

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Ben Obi Wan

Palitoy-a PHOTO COURTESY OF DEL

Palitoy-I PHOTO COURTESY OF DEL

Palitoy-p

Palitoy-k PHOTO COURTESY OF - Laurence Dyer

SW-a - Small font

SW-b (White Hair)

SW-d Large Font, please excuse the poor image quality, if you have a better photo please contact me

SW-f - Photo courtesy of Gary Borbidge

ESB-a - 1st issue (grey hair version) - Photo Courtesy of Edd Grant

ESB-a 1st issue (white hair version) Found in the rare 15 figure Multi-Pack

ESB-c Small Font (white Hair) - Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo

ESB-h - Note the thin tip Palitoy issued saber tip

ROTJ-c Grey Hair

 

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Bespin Security Guard (BLACK)

ESB-c Small Font, only just adding this now 12.12.21 - it would seem there is also an ESB-c version & I suspect this is likely where the confused Cat IV rarity classification on the SWCA baggie guide came from as this one is a dam site tougher to find than it's ESB-d counterpart below which has been found in huge numbers (screenshot above) that is assuming the ESB-c is authentic which it looks to be, but no 100% conformation.

ESB-d - Said to be a Cat IV but IMO is not a Rare baggie at all, but I presume a large cache of these has been found since the SWCA baggie guide was written??, see new info regarding that last statement on the newly added ESB-c version above.

 

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Bespin Security Guard (WHITE)

Palitoy-a

Palitoy-b - PHOTO COURTESY OF - Laurence Dyer

ESB-c Small Font - Said to be a Cat III on the SWCA guide, but IMO MUCH harder to obtain than the supposed Cat IV BBSG above, I also have always found it very odd that this is the sole Kenner issued baggie type that this figure has been found in.

 

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Bib Fortuna

Euro-a

ESB-a - 1st issue

ESB-c Large Font

ESB-h

Possible ESB-h/Euro baggie - UNCONFIRMED I got this one a long time ago & the "bleed off" from the seal is missing, the bag is soft feel like Euro/Meccano type baggies, but I have no more to go on than this, I am unsure as to its authenticity, but both seals are mint & look correct & the figure is mint, shame I can not see the inside of the cape or the coo - take this one with a pinch of salt!

ROTJ-a

ROTJ-h - PHOTO COURTESY OF - Laurence Dyer & the only known confirmed example, again 1 of the 3 ROTJ-h baggies found in the palitoy case find, never intended for onward sale

 

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Biker Scout

Palitoy-u PHOTO COURTESY OF - Kevin Bletsoe

Euro-j - Meccano red sticker (free figure offer)

ESB-d

ESB-h Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo

ROTJ-a

ROTJ-h

 

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Boba Fett

Palitoy-a Tri Logo fett with Blue not blue/black blaster & to date the only known example of a tri-logo palitoy fett in a Palitoy baggie

Palitoy-b Crisp bag

Palitoy-k - Courtesy of Chris Edlleman

Palitoy-h - soft heat sealed, this one came to me directly from an ex palitoy worker

Euro-f / Meccano, please note this is a no text baggie type & not all red sticker baggies are Euro-f's, no fett Euro-f baggies have been confirmed to date without the red stickers, these came stapled, please see the "non kenner guide for details"

SW-b, note this is the correct font for a SW-b Kenner issued Fett baggie, not the same as the one shown in the group shot on the SWCA Baggis guide, which IMO is a SW-f baggie

SW-d - Large Font

SW-d Small font V1

SW-f Photo

ESB-a 1st issue - Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo

ESB-a (2nd issue) I am actually not 100% convinced this is the 2nd issue or just a really minty 1st issue, will be double checking asap.

ESB-b - Exclusive to the Special offer Darth Vader carry case (Bounty hunter Edition)

ESB-h Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo

ROTJ-a Photo Courtesy of Chris Edlleman

ROTJ-j one I almost sold a while back as I thought it was a SW-b, but when Scott (snaggletooth) popped in on me he noticed the font is actually a different type to the SW-b, which is really hard to make out as a lot of the print had worn off (photo since updated to a better one), but on super close inspection it is indeed a ROTJ-j type, which until now has never been documented before from my understanding, the heat seals are correct for the ROTJ-j baggie, so a very exciting find & one I almost let slip through my fingers, big up to Scott for saving my bacon & my fett baggie.

Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo

 

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Bossk

SW-a - Small font - available in the ESB mail away offer & ESB 12 figure toy fair mock up stand

ESB-a 1st issue

ESB-b - exclusive to the 1st issue special offer Darth Vaders Collectors case (bounty hunter edition) PHOTO FROM GOOGLE IMAGES

ESB-c Small Font

ESB-f

Kenner Internal PHOTO COURTESY OF Gary Borbidge

 

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C-3p0 (Fixed limb first issue) dedicated to Vince

SW-a - Small font - regard this as a super tough one to come by as it was only ever found in the special offer Landspeeder

SW-b

SW-d - Small font

SW-d Large Font Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo

SW-f

ESB-a 1st issue - Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo

ESB-c Small Font

ESB-h

Kenner Internal PHOTO COURTESY OF Gary Borbidge

 

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Chewbacca

Palitoy-a - PHOTO COURTESY OF - Laurence Dyer

Euro-a

SW-a (No Text)

SW-a (large Font) Photo courtesy of Mark Yeo

SW-b

SW-d - Large font

SW-f

ESB-a - 1st issue (15 figure MP)

ESB-c Small Font - Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo

ESB-d

IMAGE NEEDED

ESB-f

ESB-h

ESB-i - Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo

 

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Chief Chirpa

Palitoy-a

Palitoy-k - photo Courtesy of momike

Euro-a - Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo

ESB-c Large Font

ESB-h -weapons error - no staff

ESB-f

ROTJ-e

 

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Cloud Car Pilot

ESB-c Small Font - Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo

ESB-d

Kenner Internal PHOTO COURTESY OF Gary Borbidge

 

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Darth Vader - Dedicated to Pat O'Brian

Palitoy-i (unsealed) courtesy of Pat O'Brian

Palitoy-k

Palitoy-m PHOTO COURTESTY OF NIELS PIT

Euro-b - No Text single seal –soft (found in the single figure Clipper Mailer) & has the rough / textured cape, much tougher to fine than the Euro-c shown below

Euro-c – Made in Macau Black Vertical Text/font (Clipper Mailer)

Euro-e/A - courtesy of Pat O'Brian

Euro-g - courtesy of Pat O'Brian

SW-a - Small font

SW-b

SW-d - Large font

SW-d - Small font courtesy of Pat O'Brian

SW-f - courtesy of Pat O'Brian

ESB-a - 1st issue

ESB-a (2nd issue) - Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo

ESB-c small Font - ESB Red six pack

ESB-d - courtesy of Pat O'Brian

ESB-e now confirmed to have come in the 2nd issue darth vader special offer collectors case but not the only vader baggie to have been confirmed for the pack, ESb-a (1st issue) has been documented multiple times also

ESB-f

ESB-i (Ex ESB-h Extra wide)

ESB-h

ROTJ-a Photo Courtesy of PATRICK O'BRIEN There is speculation that this baggie is not authentic due to the period & which factories produced them, I can not confirm, nor can I disprove this, this is speculation, I have however seen I think at least 3 examples over the years, it is to date not a baggie discovered within any known MP's though

ROTJ-f - Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo

ROTJ-j - courtesy of Pat O'Brian

ROTJ-m - 500 figure shipping case (internal factory overstock)

 

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Death Squad Commander not the sissy Death Star Commander - that was Tarkin

SW-b Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo

SW-d - Small font Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo

ESB-a - 1st issue Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo

ESB-c Small Font

ESB-g - (Large Font)

Kenner Internal PHOTO COURTESY OF Gary Borbidge

 

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Death Star Droid

Palitoy-k PHOTO COURTESY OF - Laurence Dyer

Palitoy-m, to date the world's only confirmed example of this one & know to be 100% authentic as it came direct from an ex Palitoy worker along with 12 other Palitoy baggies, this was one of the 13 of my first ever find of baggies which got me into collecting them in the first place & still right up there in terms of my favourites, there were 15 figured in total, but 2 were loose.

Palitoy-UNCLASSIFIED TO DATE NOT PALITOY-N AS PREVIOUSLY SUSPECTED! CLASSIFICATION PENDING! PHOTO COURTESY OF DEL

SW-d - Small font

ESB-a - 1st issue

ESB-c Large Font (popy)

Kenner Internal PHOTO COURTESY OF Gary Borbidge Sadly the bag was open, but it came with the rest of the Kenner internal baggies, so presumed correct & legitimate/

 

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Dengar

Palitoy-a

Palitoy-b PHOTO COURTESY OF SCOTT (SNAGGLETOOTH)

Palitoy-j - Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo this baggie was specific to the Palitoy issued Dengar single mailer (see mailer section for more info), I have however seen 3 other figures crop up in this baggie type, those being the At At Driver R2-D2 (Pop Up) & a Yoda, I have never seen any in hand so can not confirm if indeed any other figures were ever produced/shipped in this baggie type for carding etc

Euro-b (Dark Armor / pale face PBP type figure) Meccano red sticker (free figure offer)

Euro-e/A

ESB-c Small Font

ESB-d

IMAGE NEEDED

ESB-h

 

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Emperors Royal Guard

Palitoy-a

Euro-k - photo courtesy of cantina_patron Rest in peace my friend

Euro-F - Meccano, this one came from the same (confirmed) ex meccano worker as all the recent (2016) find of meccano baggies, although only 21 figures have been confirmed as being a part of the meccano red sticker (free figure offer) some others have been found like this one & the Hoth rebel commander, it is unclear at this time how a figure not in the known line up of 21 confirmed figures would have made it in to the lot, but pretty cool. PHOTO COURTESY OF Franck Gadal EDIT - confirmed to be a Euro-k now, same as the one shown above, the fonts were covered with the red stickers, the find from Roland the ex Meccano worker finally confirme this

Since this was added it has now been confirmed at least 3 examples of both the ERG & The hoth Commander were in Rolands Meccano lot, so I think we can say 100% that these are authentic, bringing the known line up to 23 figures in the offer.

Euro-n, this is from a flea market find in France by Fabrice Furbeyre who has since sadly passed away, it is obvious the find (shon in the bulk finds section) were all authentic baggies & this really goes to show that even now there are baggies that are authentic that we know little or nothing about, I can't classify it or give it a designation as this is the only example that we know of & we don't have better images available & likely never will, it looks to be a soft materiel type / heat sealed & be "made in Macau/Macao" text, the text looks to be purple/blue & I wanted to include it in case we ever discover further examples, it's impossible to even be sure of the spelling on Macau/o on the bag.

Thanks to a freind I have now managed to get a better image of the above baggie, & it does indeed look to be either a faded blue or purple font & is Macao rather than Macau spelling, a new classification has been added to the non kenner guide accordingly (Euro-n)

ROTJ-a

ESB-c Large Font - Photo courtesy of Del

ESB-h Photo Courtesy of Joe

 

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EV-9D9

Palitoy-b - not sure of the origins of this one TBH, but see the amanaman in the same baggie, possible woolies 8 pack refugee?, a 2nd example of this has been documented & I have an image of it saved on file, which turned up with Roland the ex meccano worker who sold off the red sticker baggies.

POTF-a

 

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FX-7

Palitoy-m Photo Courtesy of Andrew Neo, 1 of only 2 known examples so you can class this as rare as hens teeth

Euro-a Photo Courtesy of Jonathan Freeman

Euro-e/B

SW-a - Small font - super rare baggie, only know to have been found in the ESB 12 figure moc toy fair up stand

ESB-c Small Font

ESB-d