Anyone else feel a bit lost with vintage?

[Joe]

Were the 30 backs mentioned in this thread that were sold by 80s_collector previously unknown variations before now? If so then that alone is enough reason to share a picture or two on here. The hobby needs..no wait..it DESERVES information like that and new discoveries should NEVER be hidden away and kept a secret. Just because someone can't afford something in this hobby doesn't mean they do not have the right to see or learn about it.

If they weren't (I haven't bothered reading back) and the pictures are just to satisfy curiosity on whether or not he actually had these particular figures or not then sure it's weird but he doesn't have to share a picture if he doesn't want to.

 

[Joe]

Judging by his FB CE sales page, if he did have them he may well have sent them to UKG so perhaps just check their database or ask Steve if he can confirm UKG have graded those figures (I would have thought information of that nature is allowed to be shared considering it's all part of their public database).

 

[Andyclarke]

Were the 30 backs mentioned in this thread that were sold by 80s_collector previously unknown variations before now? If so then that alone is enough reason to share a picture or two on here. The hobby needs..no wait..it DESERVES information like that and new discoveries should NEVER be hidden away and kept a secret. Just because someone can't afford something in this hobby doesn't mean they do not have the right to see or learn about it.

If they weren't (I haven't bothered reading back) and the pictures are just to satisfy curiosity on whether or not he actually had these particular figures or not then sure it's weird but he doesn't have to share a picture if he doesn't want to.

The ones he supposedly has sold, as far as I am aware card backs haven't even been seen for them, so yes they are unique - apart from the duplicates! :shock:

 

[Joe]

If that's the case then withholding pictures of these "never before seen" figures is pretty childish.

It's all fun and they are just toys..until you act like a cock :lol:

 

[80s_collector]

Funny how short people's memories are as I don't remember people giving Ian such a hard time last year when he posted some stuff for sale at very reasonable prices. In fact, they were so busy not complaining that everything was gone within a couple of hours ... Now everyone has found out he's sold some rare items that people didn't know about or weren't prepared to match his valuation of he's the bad guy. Funny eh :roll:

Cheers Chris, great to know you were happy with our couple of high end transactions we did.
I will most likely place more items on here later this year when Ive got more time and yes I am happy to sell ungraded items at the prices that I sold for last year.

Thanks for all your business mate and everyones opinions are interesting and keep me focused and on the ball, never fazed...

 

[80s_collector]

Funny how short people's memories are as I don't remember people giving Ian such a hard time last year when he posted some stuff for sale at very reasonable prices. In fact, they were so busy not complaining that everything was gone within a couple of hours ... Now everyone has found out he's sold some rare items that people didn't know about or weren't prepared to match his valuation of he's the bad guy. Funny eh :roll:

I think you'll find Ian won't be selling them at that price again here or anywhere and that's the point I think his prices were fair then for ungraded examples and that's why they sold (No Vectis fees and no ebay fees - cash only). Unfortunately he has been caught with the grading bug and whether you agree or not he wants a lot more for them. Plus no one is begrudging him selling some supposed rare 30 backs, well done to Ian if he got amazing prices. For me it would have been nice to see pics of them as if no one ever claps eyes on them then they might as well have not existed.

Actually I have a lot of graded product, but not really got the bug as Im finding there are still many collectors who will pay good prices for ungraded items, some love acrylic but others dont, so I think its good to compromise and try to sell to both markets.

As for my prices last year, there are certain items I would still sell for the prices I sold for last year.

 

[80s_collector]

I thought this forum was for people interested in learning and adding to the hobby, I don't really see the point in joining if you have no interest in either.

Ian

No I joined here so I could sell some great product on here which I did and will do in the future.

I also use it to keep an eye on the market place and to watch the trends as well and keeping an eye on market prices.

I find this is a great site actually and its always interesting to read peoples views.

 

[80s_collector]

Judging by his FB CE sales page, if he did have them he may well have sent them to UKG so perhaps just check their database or ask Steve if he can confirm UKG have graded those figures (I would have thought information of that nature is allowed to be shared considering it's all part of their public database).

I think its time to give my side, Ive listened to all your opinions and I can see why a few of you are a bit dissapointed to not seeing photos or having more information on these figures.

No they weren't graded Joe, the idea was to show the client the items and I offered to get them graded for him but since I was passing through his country and delivering other items to him, he just took them as ungraded.

Im sorry to you all that I never thought about taking any pictures of them as if I had that would have helped loads of people out on here and proved their existence, plus it might have been good information to all the guys with cardback sites and people with archive threads.

To me I just didnt think as they were just another product to me, I knew they were rare but like all product I have, the key to me is to just sell and the 5 figures were a bit of a last minute deal as I was going away for a 5 week vacation in Asia and I spoke to the client on the phone only a week before I flew.
When he showed a lot of interest, I agreed to show him them, unsure of the price I contacted a friend in the UK, who I had shown the figures too 3 weeks before. He gave me a rough idea of a price and mentioned that if I could better it, to seal the deal.

After meeting my client, I gave him a day to ponder over the figures, the next morning we met and he offered me a price I really couldnt refuse and he paid and that was the end of it really, another deal done in my eyes.

So please see my side, I respect and have listened to all your views and opinions but please realise that it is not professional to go and ask a client who has bought a product off me to now send me pictures.
The client is an extremely busy guy who has different businesses abroard and he has been a long standing client of mine for many years, so the last thing I want to do is make him feel uncomfortable in anyway.

Ive said my piece now and I think its time to put this thread to sleep really...no more comments from me on this topic.

Hope to see you all at Celebration and I hope I will have items on my stand that will fill gaps in all your collections.

 

[edd_jedi]

Personally I think 80s_collector is getting a bit of a hard time here - nobody has a god-given right to know what pieces are in who's collections, if somebody wants to keep their own collection secret that is their choice. I'm certainly a lot more careful about what I show online since my theft and I didn't really have anything particularly rare, some of the pieces being discussed here would be worth thousands so I 100% understand why some people don't want to be publicly associated with the pieces.

I do get that from a historical point of view it would be great to see the photos and confirm existence, but that's up to the owner. It happens in all forms of collecting, there are plenty of painting masterpieces in private collections that never see the light of day that are a tad more important than a Star Wars figure :lol:

 

[80s_collector]

Personally I think 80s_collector is getting a bit of a hard time here - nobody has a god-given right to know what pieces are in who's collections, if somebody wants to keep their own collection secret that is their choice. I'm certainly a lot more careful about what I show online since my theft and I didn't really have anything particularly rare, some of the pieces being discussed here would be worth thousands so I 100% understand why some people don't want to be publicly associated with the pieces.

I do get that from a historical point of view it would be great to see the photos and confirm existence, but that's up to the owner. It happens in all forms of collecting, there are plenty of painting masterpieces in private collections that never see the light of day that are a tad more important than a Star Wars figure :lol:

No worries my side Edd, I can stand my ground always.

 

[Joe]

Personally I think 80s_collector is getting a bit of a hard time here - nobody has a god-given right to know what pieces are in who's collections, if somebody wants to keep their own collection secret that is their choice.

You are absolutely right Edd however in this case I don't think it's about knowing where they are or who owns them, it's more about being able to document they actually exist. 80s_collector has already sold them so it's not about him owning them and it doesn't look like anyone is terribly interested in who he sold them to either - they just want to confirm they exist. I don't know whether or not 80s_collector was asked to prove he had them for some other reason other than documenting a couple of new variations but even if he was, there are still collectors that would find that information useful, informative & interesting.

I'm certainly a lot more careful about what I show online since my theft and I didn't really have anything particularly rare, some of the pieces being discussed here would be worth thousands so I 100% understand why some people don't want to be publicly associated with the pieces.

Totally agree with this, you can never be too careful. There are ways to share information or pictures of items in your collection without revealing your identity/location though, either that or there are a lot of people called "A.nonymous" in the world : http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_items_by&items_by=owner_credit&id=38

I do get that from a historical point of view it would be great to see the photos and confirm existence, but that's up to the owner. It happens in all forms of collecting, there are plenty of painting masterpieces in private collections that never see the light of day that are a tad more important than a Star Wars figure :lol:

Right again, it is totally up to the owner. Kind of sad that no pictures were taken before they were delivered to a guy that doesn't seem interested in interacting or communicating with anyone else but 80s_collector but hey ho it happens. Perhaps some day someone else who is more into sharing with the community will unearth some more examples of these particular figures or will at least have the foresight to take a picture or two before selling them.

 

[Palifan]

So please see my side, I respect and have listened to all your views and opinions but please realise that it is not professional to go and ask a client who has bought a product off me to now send me pictures.
The client is an extremely busy guy who has different businesses abroad and he has been a long standing client of mine for many years, so the last thing I want to do is make him feel uncomfortable in anyway.


I think it's unreasonable to expect the owner of these moc's to supply pictures for us all to see as some collectors enjoy sharing where as others don't. I can see why 80s_collector doesn't want to ask their client for pictures as I would feel the same, a deals a deal and shouldn't be taken any further after the fact.

As has been said it's just a shame these weren't documented in some way and it did strike me as strange at the time that no pictures were taken for the client to see but it makes sense now to hear that the mocs were taken by hand to the client. Maybe the thing for 80s_collector and other dealers to take away from this whole thread is that it would be great to document and make known any Star Wars vintage toy/item that there doesn't seem to be any information about. It's what this forum seems to be mainly set up for and it would go a long way with the rest of the members for sharing information like this. It helps this place to grow and keeps the hobby fresh (which has the knock on effect of people searching for items to buy for their collection, both a win for collectors and dealers alike!).

Ian

 

[Bonsai_Tree_Ent]

The title of this thread is appropriate because I am feeling a little bit lost! Can someone explain in layman terms what is special about the figures that 80s Collector sold which deserves documenting?

 

[Survival kit Chris]

I feel a bit lost when it comes to collecting because there is two ends to the spectrum , on one end you have people trying to sell product for a ridiculous price and on the other end you have some people who cry and complain if they can't buy product for a fifth of what it's worth , I try and avoid both ends .

 

[jedisearcher]

The title of this thread is appropriate because I am feeling a little bit lost! Can someone explain in layman terms what is special about the figures that 80s Collector sold which deserves documenting?

Palitoy 30b's are stupidly rare for first 12 figures, and first 20 generally.

Ian (80s_collector) sold a Stormtrooper, R2, Vader, Han and Leia. Han and Leia are definitely known to exist (along with Ben, SDC & Chewbacca), I think there is only verbal evidence of R2 existing and I'm not sure about Stormtrooper and Vader. Jason has them documented on his matrix so he'd have to tell you where the evidence is. The Tusken Raider has never been documented on 30b. We're talking about single figure numbers here in all likelihood, even in cardback only form.

This thread shows how the discussion isn't a new one.

http://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17243&start=15