What is "Poch"?

[walkie]

Lets play a game, what does POCH or PBP stand for?....

POCH = Pile Of Crap Honest!

PBP = Piece (of) Battered Plastic

 

[Pomse2001]

It's unfair to tar them all with the same brush though: I've dealt with some really good guys and know of plenty more. We shouldn't let the minority cloud our judgement.

You are absolutely right there are good honest sellers in Spain but this guy is not giving his fellow countrymen a good name. And the situation is worsened by all his friends backing him up. I think JC over on TIG was one of the few Spanish guys to bring some sense to that PBP/POCH thread.

I notice the Luke is no longer for sale - I really hope no one was stupid enough to buy that.

The key question(s) is what determines a POCH figure, white hands? shitty paint? melt marks? all three??
If someone is willing to sell a figure for $1000 and describe it as a super rare variant & NOT willing to discuss the background behind it other than it's a childhood figure or just trust me I know what I'm talking about....
Stuff that :roll:

Well said James.

Its not just giving PBP/POCH variants a bad name. Its giving variant collecting as a whole a bad name.

Good Point james

Some moc could solve many of the questions with poch, but there is maybe not that many of them and I think they are very expensive :?

Well thats the problem Lars. Even if the figure is found on a Spanish POCH card. That doesnt mean anything if it was made in Asia and looks the same as figures released in the US on Kenner cards.

For example. Look at the so called POCH melt mark on the head. That mark is found on ALL Orange and dark brown hair Luke farmboys found on US Kenner cards. So why is it relevant to POCH? In fact I think it proves it is not POCH.

People need to stop using the term POCH marks. Its a factory error that can be found on all figures worldwide that are badly made. Its not a distinguishing characteristic to identlfy a variant!

Hi Oli, this POCH is so confusing, I am happy that I have not bought figures to $1000 a piece if they are not POCH. I also think it is more confusing a figure on a POCH card is not a POCH figure :?

So how do we ID them and spot them ?

 

[olisuds]

I remember the days when a Luke was just a Luke, a Chewbacca was just a Chewbacca lol

Oli as for that Fett - I don't know if there is any distinguishing characteristics that make it a PBP (there may not be any) but if it's still carded on a PBP cardback then technically it can and should be called PBP - referring to the packaging not the loose figure of course.

Yes you are absolutely right Joe - if its carded. Thats the thing with most of these PBP/POCH figures they can only be called a PBP/POCH figure when they are carded. When they are removed from the card they are just regular figures indistinguishable from a US kenner figure.

Its as ridiculous as people in the UK claiming they have a Palitoy Fett just because it came from a Palitoy MOC they opened in their childhood.

 

[Jedi_june]

I just received a dark brown hair luke in the mail today and copped it for like $45USD. It has that same melt mark or what ever you want to call it on his head. The coo is #1 on wolfs guide.

 

[olisuds]

Hi Oli, this POCH is so confusing, I am happy that I have not bought figures to $1000 a piece if they are not POCH. I also think it is more confusing a figure on a POCH card is not a POCH figure :?

So how do we ID them and spot them ?

Simple, a variant should be determined by distinguishing details such as sculpt, mould details, COO, paint application details and colours that are exclusive usually to where it originated from. Not factory errors and poor quality control standards which can be found all over the world allbeit to a lesser degree.

Unlike Lili Ledy, Glasslite and Top Toys, ALL (or certainly most) POCH figures share the same sculpt, mould details and COO as regular Kenner figures. Why? Because they were made in Asia using the same moulds. So the ONLY way to distinguish a POCH is paint application details and colour. When a figure exhibits no real and significant differences in paint application detail and colour it cannot be called a POCH.

So a Bossk with bright green limbs or lando with black neck or a Han with very dark brown legs is fair to call a POCH. A Boba Fett with some dodgy paint and mark on its arse is not a POCH. Its just a badly made figure and if anyone wants to pay $1,000 for a badly made figure then they need help lol

 

[olisuds]

I just received a dark brown hair luke in the mail today and copped it for like $45USD. It has that same melt mark or what ever you want to call it on his head. The coo is #1 on wolfs guide.

Yep there you go mate. EVERY Orange hair and dark brown hair Luke has the same factory defect mark. There's nothing Spanish about it

 

[Pomse2001]

Hi Oli, this POCH is so confusing, I am happy that I have not bought figures to $1000 a piece if they are not POCH. I also think it is more confusing a figure on a POCH card is not a POCH figure :?

So how do we ID them and spot them ?

Simple, a variant should be determined by distinguishing details such as sculpt, mould details, COO, paint application details and colours that are exclusive usually to where it originated from. Not factory errors and poor quality control standards which can be found all over the world allbeit to a lesser degree.

Unlike Lili Ledy, Glasslite and Top Toys, ALL (or certainly most) POCH figures share the same sculpt, mould details and COO as regular Kenner figures. Why? Because they were made in Asia using the same moulds. So the ONLY way to distinguish a POCH is paint application details and colour. When a figure exhibits no real and significant differences in paint application detail and colour it cannot be called a POCH.

So a Bossk with bright green limbs or lando with black neck or a Han with very dark brown legs is fair to call a POCH. A Boba Fett with some dodgy paint and mark on its arse is not a POCH. Its just a badly made figure and if anyone wants to pay $1,000 for a badly made figure then they need help lol

Hi Oli, thanks know I understand it a little better, thanks 8)

 

[walkie]

I just received a dark brown hair luke in the mail today and copped it for like $45USD. It has that same melt mark or what ever you want to call it on his head. The coo is #1 on wolfs guide.

it's a common flaw with dark brown haired lukes, bad paintwork and wobbly heads. I picked my up for £7 GBP on ebay, if people are willing to pay £695 for them i may relist it

 

[olisuds]

I just received a dark brown hair luke in the mail today and copped it for like $45USD. It has that same melt mark or what ever you want to call it on his head. The coo is #1 on wolfs guide.

it's a common flaw with dark brown haired lukes, bad paintwork and wobbly heads. I picked my up for £7 GBP on ebay, if people are willing to pay £695 for them i may relist it

Its actually a defect in the mould - thats why they ALL have this. With some its just less visable depending on how paint was applied but I believe it is always there.

Your right with the wobbly heads too - damn annoying. I sold one several months back and the buyer wanted to return it because the neck was slightly loose. i told him they all have this but he wouldn't believe me. I wished him good luck in finding one without a loose neck

 

[Jedi_june]

**** I just noticed my wobbly head. :? On my Luke that is :lol:

 

[Joe]

POCH Boba Fett with weapon
Here you are -IN MY OPINION- a very nice Poch Boba Fett in great condition. Why is this boba a poch one??
Because of all this features toghether:
-Bubbles in the plastic of the backpack
-Moved layer paint in the backpack -blue paint- and in the knee.
-Paint melt marks in the shoulders
-Plastic melt marks in the backpack closed to the rocket area
-Paint splatter around the figure
-Different color pattern vs kenner
Price: 650 euros NOW 575 EUROS shipping included -paypal gift-.
If you are looking for a great figure. Here you are one

Seen it all now I really have.

 

[Jedi_june]

POCH Boba Fett with weapon
Here you are -IN MY OPINION- a very nice Poch Boba Fett in great condition. Why is this boba a poch one??
Because of all this features toghether:
-Bubbles in the plastic of the backpack
-Moved layer paint in the backpack -blue paint- and in the knee.
-Paint melt marks in the shoulders
-Plastic melt marks in the backpack closed to the rocket area
-Paint splatter around the figure
-Different color pattern vs kenner
Price: 650 euros NOW 575 EUROS shipping included -paypal gift-.
If you are looking for a great figure. Here you are one

Seen it all now I really have.

Lmfao bubbles in the plastic of the backpack, paint splatter around the figure. Smh :lol: oh boy

 

[olisuds]

That Ricardo's Fett. He's one of Sergio's buddies so explains the dishonesty or stupidity (take your pick).

Quite frankly the stuff both these guys are seling is making a lot of collectors really mad. How they dare to call themselves experts is beyond me.

Search for POCH on eBay and these 2 jokers come up top of the list. And people wonder why the Spanish sellers are getting a bad reputation.

 

[olisuds]

More POCH crap from Sergio

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STAR-WARS-VINTAGE-STORMTROOPER-POCH-VARIANT-1-VGC-/181073433339?pt=UK_ToysGames_ActionFigures_ActionFigures_JN&hash=item2a28d152fb

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STAR-WARS-VINTAGE-STORMTROOPER-POCH-VARIANT-2-VGC-/181073446012?pt=UK_ToysGames_ActionFigures_ActionFigures_JN&hash=item2a28d1847c

Too many more to mention...

 

[Jedi_june]

Yo Oli I really appreciate your posts here bro, really helps us Padawan Collectors lol. I was looking to get some Poch figs in my collection once I finish my full loose collection. I'm glad you put these fools on blast! Has anyone been buying these figs off them? Damn Shame!

I see that they have a lot of cool figs thou, the fetts are awesome. But mostly every fig they have it says it's Poch/PBP or Maccano?

Are the figs legit? Just not what they say their are? Can't support these dude if they are trying to scam people.

 

[olisuds]

Yo Oli I really appreciate your posts here bro, really helps us Padawan Collectors lol. I was looking to get some Poch figs in my collection once I finish my full loose collection. I'm glad you put these fools on blast! Has anyone been buying these figs off them? Damn Shame!

I see that they have a lot of cool figs thou, the fetts are awesome. But mostly every fig they have it says it's Poch/PBP or Maccano?

Are the figs legit? Just not what they say their are? Can't support these dude if they are trying to scam people.

No worries buddy. Well here's a tip. If you look at the picture and the description and there is no explanation of why it is being called a POCH (otherthan a melt mark or sloppy paint) then it's not a POCH.

So no they are not legit. IMO most of the stuff they are selling is crap. Beaten up figures with a factory melt mark or sloppy paint. Slap a stupid price tag on it and call it POCH.

Like any hard to identify variant you need to do your research first and know what to look out for. Wolff's guide is pretty much the definitive guide as far as POCH goes http://swspaceclub.com/wbobafett/poch/ and Kenneth pretty much has the most complete set of legit POCHs http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t5068-my-poch-collection . I'm not saying there arent definitely other POCHs out there but so far Sergio, Ricardo and their buddies haven't been able to justify their outlandish claims without the mention of sloppy paint, melt marks blah blah bullshit

If you are looking for reliable sellers of PBP and POCH figures then Kenneth and Lee are trusted sellers selling reliable stuff at realistic prices IMO.

Personally I'm out of collecting variants now as I just think its getting a little ridiculous with all the factory errors and discoloured figures flying about for silly money.

 

[Pomse2001]

Yo Oli I really appreciate your posts here bro, really helps us Padawan Collectors lol. I was looking to get some Poch figs in my collection once I finish my full loose collection. I'm glad you put these fools on blast! Has anyone been buying these figs off them? Damn Shame!

I see that they have a lot of cool figs thou, the fetts are awesome. But mostly every fig they have it says it's Poch/PBP or Maccano?

Are the figs legit? Just not what they say their are? Can't support these dude if they are trying to scam people.

No worries buddy. Well here's a tip. If you look at the picture and the description and there is no explanation of why it is being called a POCH (otherthan a melt mark or sloppy paint) then it's not a POCH.

So no they are not legit. IMO most of the stuff they are selling is crap. Beaten up figures with a factory melt mark or sloppy paint. Slap a stupid price tag on it and call it POCH.

Like any hard to identify variant you need to do your research first and know what to look out for. Wolff's guide is pretty much the definitive guide as far as POCH goes http://swspaceclub.com/wbobafett/poch/ and Kenneth pretty much has the most complete set of legit POCHs http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t5068-my-poch-collection . I'm not saying there arent definitely other POCHs out there but so far Sergio, Ricardo and their buddies haven't been able to justify their outlandish claims without the mention of sloppy paint, melt marks blah blah bullshit

If you are looking for reliable sellers of PBP and POCH figures then Kenneth and Lee are trusted sellers selling reliable stuff at realistic prices IMO.

Personally I'm out of collecting variants now as I just think its getting a little ridiculous with all the factory errors and discoloured figures flying about for silly money.

How can you say wolff's guide is pretty much the definitive guide as far as POCH goes :?: He also points out all the melt marks and call them POCH.

 

[Jedi_june]

Thanks oli for the info.

And @Pomse2001: "Quoting Wolf" - It's important for me to stress that not every figure with dents, melt-marks, "dripped" paint or faded/discolored hands is assumed to be a POCH variant.

 

[olisuds]

Thanks oli for the info.

And @Pomse2001: "Quoting Wolf" - It's important for me to stress that not every figure with dents, melt-marks, "dripped" paint or faded/discolored hands is assumed to be a POCH variant.

Exactly right.

 

[Pomse2001]

It is still confusing all this poch if some figure is fine with melt marks and others are not :?