What is "Poch"?

[Dr Dengar]

Here we go... 8)

Lol, here we go

(Subtle) paint differences, which are difficult to grasp with camera. Sorry no bright yellow boots or burgundy cape here, but still differences - Sorry Marco I dont see anything other than faded paint and play wear

The middle figure is pretty faded indeed. I made the comparisson between the left (Kenner) and right (from Spain) figure. As said, subtle differences (e.g. green of the chest, visor).

Unique diferences?, I don't know - Well its kind of important. If they're not unique then it means nothing.

Difficult to claim that the differences are unique when I compared the Spanish Fett to only to a small number (6) of Kenner Fetts. I don't want to jump to conclusions, and like to keep it open and unbiased.

A Spanish childhood collection origin. The collection contained many confirmed POCH figures, Han Hoth chocolate, Rebel Soldier, Luke Bespin translucent face - Irrelevant - this is not evidence. We know that many figures sold in Spain were imported from Asia and are the same as US Kenner. Coming from a childhood collection does not make them POCH in the same way that figures from childhood collections in the UK cannot be called Palitoy variants.

Correct, it is not proof - who said so? - just an indication, which together with the other indications fuels the idea the figure might be POCH.
Another one being that the figure pops up in more Spanish collections.

POCH-like imperfections - Once again these do not define a variant so can we move away from discussing factory errors and poor QC.

Same argument.

Sorry Marco but I dont see anything in this and I think we'd be clutching at straws in calling this even a variant let alone a POCH figure.

So you think it is not a variant. You might be wright, I don't have problems with that. Just testing my idea.
For me the whole purpose of having a discusson thread is to hear other views and hopefully getting some more info which brings us further.

I agree on the Death Star Commander description on the TIG page you referred too - its a shame that the diagram you posted did not refer to these traits just more factory error talk - its not helping the cause!

If the diagrams are distracting and put readers on the wrong trail - i.e. they start to look for melt marks etc, instead of paint differences - I better remove them. Sometimes more is less. What do others think?

Cheers

 

[olisuds]

OK so faded colours and paint wear and not confirmed as unique isn't any evidence in my eyes.

Originating from a Spanish collection and imperfections might fuel the fire if there is there is a fire to fuel - which in this case there doesn't appear to be.

Sorry buddy I dont mean to piss on your fire! But I dont think this makes a POCH or even a variant.

Marco, I think your diagrams are fantastic. I dont have that kind of skill (wish I did). I dont think you should do away with them. Just highlight proper characteristics and leave the factory error and poor QC talk out. We know they are common. We have agreed that they arent always present so I dont think it helps any discussions by pointing them out further.

 

[olisuds]

And if we look at Riacrdo's so called POCH Fett

He identifies it as POCH by:

Bubbles in the plastic of the backpack = factory error
Moved layer paint in the backpack -blue paint- and in the knee = factory error
Paint melt marks in the shoulders = factory error
Plastic melt marks in the backpack closed to the rocket area = factory error
Paint splatter around the figure = factory error
Different color pattern vs kenner = where??? I cant see any difference.

= NO POCH (Just a very expensive poorly made figure)

 

[Dr Dengar]

OK so faded colours and paint wear ..... isn't any evidence in my eyes.

Who said it was? Forget about the beater figure in the middle, compare left and right.

Originating from a Spanish collection and imperfections might fuel the fire if there is there is a fire to fuel - which in this case there doesn't appear to be.

Sorry buddy I dont mean to piss on your fire! But I dont think this makes a POCH or even a variant.

Don't worry. Coming up with new ideas and seeing them challenged from different point of views, it just makes my day, every day.


Marco, I think your diagrams are fantastic. I dont have that kind of skill (wish I did). I dont think you should do away with them. Just highlight proper characteristics and leave the factory error and poor QC talk out. We know they are common. We have agreed that they arent always present so I dont think it helps any discussions by pointing them out further.

Thx! and I agree, it gives more focus to the text. More is less in this case.

 

[Richard_H]

I love this. True geeks in action. And I don't have a clue what you're talking about! :lol:

 

[Jedi_june]

I started this post and now I'm totally lost lmao. What have I gotten myself into lol. :shock:

All jokes aside a very interesting read for sure. Variants and figures of that nature fascinate me but damn it's gonna take a while to soak all this in!

 

[Dr Dengar]

I love this. True geeks in action. :lol:

Oh man, this is so confronting!!!! :lol:

 

[olisuds]

Just to expand on the identifying characteristics of POCHs a little more

Major POCH Variants:

POCH Bossk
Exclusive characteristics: Bright green limbs
Non Exclusive Characteristics Made in Hong Kong COO

POCH Chewbacca
Exclusive characteristics: Black Pouch
Non Exclusive Characteristics Made in Hong Kong COO

POCH Lando Bespin
Exclusive characteristics: True black neck with blue border
Non Exclusive Characteristics Made in Hong Kong COO

POCH Han Hoth
Exclusive characteristics: Chocolate dark brown legs
Non Exclusive Characteristics Made in Hong Kong COO

POCH Rebel Soldier
Exclusive characteristics: bright white painted legs and neck
Non Exclusive Characteristics: Made in Hong Kong COO

Minor POCH variants:

POCH Bespin Security Guard
Exclusive characteristics: Bright red cuffs, pale hands
Non Exclusive Characteristics Made in Hong Kong COO

POCH Leia Bespin
Exclusive characteristics: Reddish brown hair, pale hands and feet
Non Exclusive Characteristics Made in Hong Kong COO

POCH Luke Farmboy
Exclusive characteristics: Pale hands and neck
Non Exclusive Characteristics: Hong Kong COO, Blonde hair, dark legs.

POCH Luke X-Wing
Exclusive characteristics: Pale hands
Non Exclusive Characteristics: Hong Kong COO

I wouldn't know anymore than these without referring to Wolff's POCH guide. And even then most of my knowledge of POCHs has come from Wolff, Kenneth and Lee.

 

[olisuds]

I love this. True geeks in action. And I don't have a clue what you're talking about! :lol:

Dont worry we love each other really :lol:

P.S. Were all geeks mate! Hanging around on forums talking Star Wars!

 

[Richard_H]

:lol: and proud of it

 

[Jedi_june]

Just to expand on the identifying characteristics of POCHs a little more

Major POCH Variants:

POCH Bossk
Exclusive characteristics: Bright green limbs
Non Exclusive Characteristics Made in Hong Kong COO

POCH Chewbacca
Exclusive characteristics: Black Pouch
Non Exclusive Characteristics Made in Hong Kong COO

POCH Lando Bespin
Exclusive characteristics: True black neck with blue border
Non Exclusive Characteristics Made in Hong Kong COO

POCH Han Hoth
Exclusive characteristics: Chocolate dark brown legs
Non Exclusive Characteristics Made in Hong Kong COO

POCH Rebel Soldier
Exclusive characteristics: bright white painted legs and neck
Non Exclusive Characteristics: Made in Hong Kong COO

Minor POCH variants:

POCH Bespin Security Guard
Exclusive characteristics: Bright red cuffs, pale hands
Non Exclusive Characteristics Made in Hong Kong COO

POCH Leia Bespin
Exclusive characteristics: Reddish brown hair, pale hands and feet
Non Exclusive Characteristics Made in Hong Kong COO

POCH Luke Farmboy
Exclusive characteristics: Pale hands and neck
Non Exclusive Characteristics: Hong Kong COO, Blonde hair, dark legs.

POCH Luke X-Wing
Exclusive characteristics: Pale hands
Non Exclusive Characteristics: Hong Kong COO

I wouldn't know anymore than these without referring to Wolff's POCH guide. And even then most of my knowledge of POCHs has come from Wolff, Kenneth and Lee.

Thanks for posting this oli, at least I know the major & minor Poch variations to look out for. :mrgreen:

 

[Pomse2001]

Great oli and marco that we can move away from all this errors.

Great thread, now we only need pictures

And Oli thanks for the info about poch.

I bought a POCH Tusken Raider last year, I have only ID it by the melt marks. So how do I ID it now ?

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

Some valuable info on this thread guys Thanks for sharing 8)

 

[Capetown]

Truly a fantasTIG thread. :wink:

 

[Dr Dengar]

Truly a fantasTIG thread. :wink:

... plasTIG thread. 8)

 

[Dr Dengar]

Great oli and marco that we can move away from all this errors.

Great thread, now we only need pictures

And Oli thanks for the info about poch.

I bought a POCH Tusken Raider last year, I have only ID it by the melt marks. So how do I ID it now ?

Thanks Lars!

I made some pics for you today.

You can find them here: http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t4427p330-the-poch-pbp-discussion-thread#87199

Hope they will help.

Cheers

 

[walkie]

Amazing job as always marco

 

[olisuds]

Great oli and marco that we can move away from all this errors.

Great thread, now we only need pictures

And Oli thanks for the info about poch.

I bought a POCH Tusken Raider last year, I have only ID it by the melt marks. So how do I ID it now ?

Thanks Lars!

I made some pics for you today.

You can find them here: http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t4427p330-the-poch-pbp-discussion-thread#87199

Hope they will help.

Cheers

Thanks Marco, I was looking for Wolff's picture and recall something about the bandolier strap colour difference. It's very subtle but looks like you have similar findings - very interesting.

Glad to see you steering the thread away from factory errors and poor QC.

Shame Ricardo doesn't have any common sense...

Here you are my DS Droid. IN MY OPINION, it is poch one. It has bad application with the painting -see black shoulders-, big mark on the head -I have seen this mark in poch darth vaders before- and melt marks on the back.

 

[Pomse2001]

Hi Marco, thanks for the pictures. I will compare them with the Tusken Raider I have :wink: