What is "Poch"?

[olisuds]

I've read conflicting stories from Spanish collectors: they say that Poch figures weren't imported unpainted and that Poch were the only company to ever make figures in Spain. When the companies merged Poch was still the manufacturer, but changed the production to what we call PBP figures.

The answer to your question depends largely where you are from in the world

If POCH figures were made in Spain then why do they share exactly the same mould details and COO/Copyright markings as standard Kenner figures.

Why do some Poch figures have Hong Kong limbs? :?

They have Hong Kong limbs because they were made in Hong Kong! Not Spain!

 

[olisuds]

Poch were the only company to ever make figures in Spain.

Well this is kind of true as within PBP it was the former POCH company that transitioned from importing and selling figures to manufacturing figures. Whilst Borras and Palouzie made board games and non toy related stuff.

Why do some Poch figures have Hong Kong limbs? :?

Also worth pointing out that its not just the limbs, its the whole figure that's from Hong Kong.

As far as I know all confirmed POCH have "Made in Hong Kong" COO

Although as I said there is some blurring of the lines with the existance of some hybrids with mixed parts that probably occured in the transition.

 

[aussiejames]

Just because it says Hong Kong doesn't mean it was made in Hong Kong. ie, Ledy can be 'China' & ' Made in Hong Kong' ... as you know. Anyway - we're not getting into this discussion :lol: :lol:

 

[olisuds]

Just because it says Hong Kong doesn't mean it was made in Hong Kong. ie, Ledy can be 'China' & ' Made in Hong Kong' ... as you know. Anyway - we're not getting into this discussion :lol: :lol:

Lol, yeah dangerous territory

It means the moulds originated from Hong Kong though and either of the following happened

A) Hong Kong used the moulds to make figures first and then sold the moulds to Spain where they made ALL their figures in exactly the same way. Then they purchased a different set of moulds during the transition to PBP and started making only some of their figures but in a completely different way whilst the majority of their figures were imported from Kenner.

B) Hong Kong used the moulds to make figures that were distributed to the US and Europe. The ones that failed quality control were sent to POCH where they were packaged for sale. Or alternatively the unpainted parts were sent to POCH where they were assembled/painted. They eventually purchased their own moulds during the transition to PBP and started making some of their own figures.

Scenario A seems a bit backwards if you ask me. Scenario B is the most likely but I guess until someone steps forward with evidence from former POCH employees to proove that they actually manufactured their own figures its all pretty pointless speculation.

Either way and I know people will hate that I say this, it doesnt really matter because if they were made exactly the same and look exactly the same, you can't call it a POCH figure unless it can be differentiated from a Kenner figure by some different paint application colour or detail. Then it's fair to call it a POCH figure regardless of where is was actually made.

My head hurts!

 

[walkie]

Slightly off topic but the current unemployment situation in Spain isn't good for POCH collectors as our spanish cousins need to make a living....


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21180371

 

[olisuds]

Slightly off topic but the current unemployment situation in Spain isn't good for POCH collectors as our spanish cousins need to make a living....


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21180371

Yep bad economic situation = opportunity to exploit uneducated collectors overseas!

 

[walkie]

Looking at the prices lately, i'm seriously considering dropping POCH from my collecting targets until things calm down.

 

[olisuds]

Looking at the prices lately, i'm seriously considering dropping POCH from my collecting targets until things calm down.

I already have and I wont touch them until all these crazy unfounded POCH claims stop. I think a lot of people are doing the same.

 

[Pomse2001]

The price is also to high for me

 

[flycasual]

Hey olisuds, I wasn't being deliberately contrary. It's just that there are so many uncertainties and different stories to know what is right.

I've seen 3 different Boba Fett figures lately claiming to be Poch. None of them have characteristics that couldn't be down to poor manufacture. People seem desperate to have a Poch Boba Fett. He might not exist.

Prices these guys set on their Poch figures is crazy. They can't find them all though. :twisted: :wink:

 

[olisuds]

Hey no worries buddy I didn't think that. I have quite a strong opinion on it I know I'm not bothered by the prices. I just can't stand these wild claims about new POCH variants just because they have some sloppy paint work. If people want to collect that kind of stuff then that's fine but in my opinion it's the biggest scam in vintage collecting right now. I feel sorry for the people buying this crap

 

[flycasual]

Yeah, it's becoming a joke. If it isn't already.

The guy that was on TIG briefly gets my goat more than most. He clearly has good knowledge, but puts it to ripping people off. His avatar speaks volumes:

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

Great thread Guys! Thanks for the info! 8)

 

[CRAZYHAZY]

great imfo oli mate.Daft questiom but are hard torsos easy to distinguish from regular figures? and are all poch pbp scarred out coos?

just have a ccp with very pale face and pale yellow boots and gloves. distinctly different from my kenner counterpart , could be age though.

 

[Joe]

People seem desperate to have a Poch Boba Fett. He might not exist.

I know for sure a PBP ROTJ Fett was produced, I have the tiniest picture of a carded one...no idea what would make it "PBP/Poch" if found loose though lol

 

[aussiejames]

Daft questiom but are hard torsos easy to distinguish from regular figures? and are all poch pbp scarred out coos?

daft answer ( but it's true ) hard torso figures weigh about 1 gram more than 'normal' figures, & no ( a very generalised answer POCH- made in Hong Kong, PBP can be scarred out ) & to some POCH & PBP are now the same thing :|

 

[Joe]

Not 100% sure it has been covered yet as I skimmed some of the posts in this thread but it is worth noting/remembering that Spain produced certain figures for other companies as well, Kenner, Palitoy and Meccano are confirmed so there can be figures found in a variety of places that share the same characteristics as "Poch or PBP" because those figures were released outside of Spain. Again this is something that confuses things because you have all these pale face figures with scarred out COO's which were sold on Palitoy cards for example being called PBP figures..

I think it would be extremely beneficial if everyone stopped clutching at straws and wanting to believe they have Spanish figures (which in all honesty aren't THAT amazing) and just waited for some definitive information to come forward..it might be another 5 years or more before we even scratch the surface on what was produced and what wasn't in Spain and exactly which figures are Spanish exclusives.

Let the idiots pay £450 for a Poch Yoda or £600+ for a Poch Fett when there is little to no information which actually proves they are Spanish releases and enjoy spending your cash on items that actually warrant that kind of money!

 

[CRAZYHAZY]

Thanks for the reply AJ youre a gent.

he has hong kong coo.

To be fair im not that arsed what variant he is, just curious really. picked him up for free in a charity shop last year. One of my fav esb figs.

 

[olisuds]

Not 100% sure it has been covered yet as I skimmed some of the posts in this thread but it is worth noting/remembering that Spain produced certain figures for other companies as well, Kenner, Palitoy and Meccano are confirmed so there can be figures found in a variety of places that share the same characteristics as "Poch or PBP" because those figures were released outside of Spain. Again this is something that confuses things because you have all these pale face figures with scarred out COO's which were sold on Palitoy cards for example being called PBP figures..

I think it would be extremely beneficial if everyone stopped clutching at straws and wanting to believe they have Spanish figures (which in all honesty aren't THAT amazing) and just waited for some definitive information to come forward..it might be another 5 years or more before we even scratch the surface on what was produced and what wasn't in Spain and exactly which figures are Spanish exclusives.

Let the idiots pay £450 for a Poch Yoda or £600+ for a Poch Fett when there is little to no information which actually proves they are Spanish releases and enjoy spending your cash on items that actually warrant that kind of money!

Joe I think you just nailed it

People clutching at straws and wanting to believe they have something special.

Its the easiest way to loose a lot of money

 

[olisuds]

Thanks for the reply AJ youre a gent.

he has hong kong coo.

To be fair im not that arsed what variant he is, just curious really. picked him up for free in a charity shop last year. One of my fav esb figs.

I think the best way to describe a hard torso is that it has a dry feeling to it almost like the water/moisture has been taken out of the plastic. Also it appears darker in colour, has less shine and the moulding is sharper /more detailed.

Yep the CCP pilot is cool figure