Vectis 26th & 27th May

jedisearcher said:
spoons said:
I've not seen another Greedo for sale in the last few years - is it the rarest 20 back?

I'm happy to be corrected, but I think a nice Power Droid is more difficult to find than a nice Greedo. So Power Droid rarest, and Greedo second. Did 80's_collector have a Greedo for sale recently? Can't remember now.

Interesting to see some instant flipping going on, not for SW but for AM. This guy seems to be the worst, but there are others:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/simca1300..._DefaultDomain_3&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

Sales to date: 0 :lol:

Outrageous but good to see no sales :)

Thanks for the Greedo info, I just monitor eBay and have seen 3 or 4 PDs over the last few years but no Greedos - but not an exact science

And Andrew - I'll make sure I pick up some AM at the next sale
 
I picked up some AM for pure nostalgia, been meaning to do so for years so this sales rep auction was the perfect opportunity, didn't expect to get what I wanted but I did.
Would have loved some of the MISB vehicles but had to sit on my hands during those auctions, was shocked by the decent hammer prices actually.
Hope most went to true fans and not all to the flippers & dealers.

marc
 
James Simmonds said:
Grant_C said:
I don't recognise this hobby anymore.

Does anyone think this is sustainable? This seems like an out of control bubble.

I don't recognise this hobby anymore either. People seem more concerned with grades and values now rather than having an actual appreciation of the toys and the films that spawned them.

James

You could easily think everything was about grade if you read alot of Facebook posts but I thought on here the discussion yesterday was really good - lots of normal people posting what they thought and what they'd managed to bag. I don't remember grading being mentioned once.
 
jedisearcher said:
James Simmonds said:
Grant_C said:
I don't recognise this hobby anymore.

Does anyone think this is sustainable? This seems like an out of control bubble.

I don't recognise this hobby anymore either. People seem more concerned with grades and values now rather than having an actual appreciation of the toys and the films that spawned them.

James

You could easily think everything was about grade if you read alot of Facebook posts but I thought on here the discussion yesterday was really good - lots of normal people posting what they thought and what they'd managed to bag. I don't remember grading being mentioned once.

I refuse to buy anything that is graded. As daft as it sounds I would even be tempted to break items out of graded cases such is my dislike for them. I know this may limit me in future but I don't like the thought of these things being cocooned forever.
 
X-Wing £1,860.00

Say whaaat!? Yes it had the rare Death Star product catalog (call that a £100) but that is some crazy money!!

I don't know if any you guys have seen my collection limelight on RS but I have valuations next to the items as a bit of a ballpark price guide. Looking at these auction sales they have really thrown my valuations off!!

The MOC figures have always been the far stronger sellers in comparison to the vehicles / playsets but it looks like more collectors may be moving into boxed.
 
spoons said:
jedisearcher said:
spoons said:
I've not seen another Greedo for sale in the last few years - is it the rarest 20 back?

I'm happy to be corrected, but I think a nice Power Droid is more difficult to find than a nice Greedo. So Power Droid rarest, and Greedo second. Did 80's_collector have a Greedo for sale recently? Can't remember now.

Interesting to see some instant flipping going on, not for SW but for AM. This guy seems to be the worst, but there are others:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/simca1300..._DefaultDomain_3&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

Sales to date: 0 :lol:

Outrageous but good to see no sales :)

Thanks for the Greedo info, I just monitor eBay and have seen 3 or 4 PDs over the last few years but no Greedos - but not an exact science

And Andrew - I'll make sure I pick up some AM at the next sale

As most know the PD is considered to b the :!: toughest 20 and always has been and is tougher still to find mint having a large bubble etc :!:
I believe what made this Greedo shoot up was the fact it was unpunched :!: When I was collecting the 20s I got hold of an unpunched Greedo and a serious knowledgeable collector traded me his mint punched Greedo AND a mint 20 back Hammerhead for my unpunched Greedo :shock: However am still blown away by the 3K bid which means the buyer is paying £3720 in total :eek: :eek:
 
Can anyone tell me why Vectis have ridiculously low estimates against some items that even my Mrs knows will sell for 5 or 6 times that?
Is it so in the press it can be reported that "hammer prices blew auction house estimates out of the water" type of drummed up hype?
Just find it hard to believe they honestly thought their estimates were even ballpark right.

marc
 
Well Marc there are so called auction house vintage toy experts and then there r true hardcore vintage collectors. I know who I'd listen to :!:
 
http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/see-the-action-man-and-star-wars-toy-haul-that-made-180k-at-auction-679132.html
 
It's an interesting point somebody made about Palitoy collectors paying top money to complete a mint run via vectis. If there are a couple more auctions based coming up on the sales rep/ Beeches stock it'll be interesting to see how many people would pay the prices being paid at the moment. It only takes two people bidding at one auction to keep prices up, but if there are multi sales over the summer in a short space of time we might get a sight of how many people are out there with this cash and desire. I've got a feeling by a 4th sale the prices sold for would drop quite a lot.

Interestingly I saw some palitoys sold on ebay in the US this week including a 30a Luke - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400921773686?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT . It went for c£1600 quid, slightly less excluding fees than the Vectis sale. There was also a HST 30 and it went for c900 quid. So it doesn't look like the demand is necessarily from America yet, as they can't come up for sale that often there, also there's a stormie palitoy 12 back on Brians Toys but it's been there for ages. Also interestingly these were all recently graded MOCs. I checked out the 30a Luke code to see the pop report and there is only something like 3 graded in the World at the moment and something like 14 graded 12 back Palitoys in total graded according to their pop report. I can't see UKG pop reports but imagine there are double that graded, given they were UK toys. But even so can't be that many graded mocs, that's a good thing though as it means the AFA grading bug doesn't seem to have hit the Palitoy 12-41 market yet as there must be a at least 150 12 backs out there, and the rest? Min. Mostly probably owned by people on this forum. I'm not sure how many 30a Luke's there are in the Wold- I'm guestimating 10 or so min and maybe the same HSTs 30s?

Does anybody know when the next Vectis sales are / how many there are throughout the summer ? I heard they had 4 batches of 12 backs and assume more 20s and others.

Also people have mentioned facebook posts. I'm in the tri group, the imp commissiary and star wars collectors uk and Ireland and didn't see anything about the auction. Are there others that people would recommend?

It's a fair point about grading and how some people seem to be all about grades, and I spose there is some point to having standards, but they seem a bit arbitrary sometimes and standard differential pushes prices differences and price submarkets IMO. Having said that I still think that even the most pricey cards are still gettable if you don't have a massive issue with grades and certain markets like Palitoy haven't succumbed to graditis yet. I think this still is the hobby that people thought it was, it just seems there is an expanding market and more commercialism at the mint and graded end where some are maybe in it more about money and prestige than the love of collecting potentially.

With 6 more films coming over the next few years, it seems certain that the trends seen at the moment will only increase. A bad and a good thing. A bad thing as prices seem set to increase and more emphasis on price at the top end on 80+s, but also a good thing as it will mean a whole new generation of children (and adults) get to share and experience the thrill of seeing SW at the cinema and the joy of the toys and subsequently more collectors into the future for at least the next 30-40 years. The long term continued existence of the hobby seems guaranteed.
 
Some people hate grades and some people like grades. Some people would much rather have a mint item than a creased up one, some people would much rather have creased cards to show the cards got history, its all a matter of choice.

theguiltyone said:
Can anyone tell me why Vectis have ridiculously low estimates against some items that even my Mrs knows will sell for 5 or 6 times that?
Is it so in the press it can be reported that "hammer prices blew auction house estimates out of the water" type of drummed up hype?
Just find it hard to believe they honestly thought their estimates were even ballpark right.

marc


Yes some of those £40-£60 estimates for sealed boxed action man is dumbest estimates ever
 
theguiltyone said:
Can anyone tell me why Vectis have ridiculously low estimates against some items that even my Mrs knows will sell for 5 or 6 times that?
Is it so in the press it can be reported that "hammer prices blew auction house estimates out of the water" type of drummed up hype?
Just find it hard to believe they honestly thought their estimates were even ballpark right.

marc
I assume they expect more people to register/bid if they have a low estimate on them as people think they'll get a bargain(!)
 
Yeah I certainly think the dreamer estimates on some of Craig's stuff put potential bidders off. The same applies to eBay.
 
Most of the time the low estimate is the reserve, so the seller sets the estimate and not the auction house.
 
TrisCompany said:
Also interestingly these were all recently graded MOCs. I checked out the 30a Luke code to see the pop report and there is only something like 3 graded in the World at the moment and something like 14 graded 12 back Palitoys in total graded according to their pop report. I can't see UKG pop reports but imagine there are double that graded, given they were UK toys. But even so can't be that many graded mocs, that's a good thing though as it means the AFA grading bug doesn't seem to have hit the Palitoy 12-41 market yet as there must be a at least 150 12 backs out there, and the rest? Min. Mostly probably owned by people on this forum. I'm not sure how many 30a Luke's there are in the Wold- I'm guestimating 10 or so min and maybe the same HSTs 30s?

The AFA grading reports are hopelessly out of date. There was a collection sold a couple of years ago that was all AFA graded and that had more than 14 graded Palitoy 12 backs on it's own. You need to multiply the pop figures by something, probably ~100. For good or for bad grading has found Palitoy. Might be worth remembering that it's safer to sell graded on ebay, cos then there's no comeback, moc switching etc., so the one's that are seen are just the tip of the iceberg.

TrisCompany said:
Does anybody know when the next Vectis sales are / how many there are throughout the summer ? I heard they had 4 batches of 12 backs and assume more 20s and others.

Not sure when the rest of the sales are. I don't think we ever got to know exactly what was in the box of 48 - first news was that it was 48 12 backs, but then I think it moved to 48 12 & 20 backs. There's obviously afew 30 backs floating around as well. Could be about half way through the rep stuff then on that basis. I doubt there's three more full sets/auctions (minus the now super-elusive Jawa :D ) but it's possible.

TrisCompany said:
Also people have mentioned facebook posts. I'm in the tri group, the imp commissiary and star wars collectors uk and Ireland and didn't see anything about the auction. Are there others that people would recommend?

There's nothing on Facebook to recommend. It's all shite. I can't remember one FB thread that had anything other than 90% nonsense in it. Make that 95%.

:D
 
yogi said:
http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/see-the-action-man-and-star-wars-toy-haul-that-made-180k-at-auction-679132.html

Dayum, nice retirement plan...Although the 5.4k for the Judo suit was less than I expected!
 
Well I went to pick up stuff from Vectis today and was offered the magical mystery tour!

Definitely glad I did. An incredible amount of stuff they are sorting through, especially the toy shop find. They don't know what half of it is year and can't reach most of it as it is mostly inaccessible. They got me to stand on this ladder to see the full extent of it and it is crazy!

They opened a couple of boxes which they suspected were star wars and find a single sealed vehicle in each. A forest ranger and ROTJ X-wing.

Got to look through the paper work and that picture lot. Some great pictures in there. There's a cool one of what looks like a shop with Palitoy 12 backs, 30 backs and some Kenner Yoda all on the pegs 8)


Great day out!
 
theslider said:
The trashed cards went for £1100 - gutted, put a bid in for £500. Hope they don't get U-Graded.

Yeah that was me, sorry hombre.
They won't get U graded, no worries there.
Hoped not to break the £1k barrier but you know what live actions are like.
Couldn't resist something unique so I'm hoping to come up with an interesting way to display the case contents lot behind some acrylic.

marc
 
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