Upcoming Vectis auction/toy shop find

[indianawars]

I guess only time will tell what MOC's are in that shipping case... A lot of speculation at the moment.

 

[Andyclarke]

So given we won't know for a while, let's speculate on the contents of the box.

I think we can have a pretty accurate guess as the contents.

The case won't contain 4 of each figure for a total of 4 sets. Some figures were more popular than others, some were meant to be bought in multiples like stormtrooper, jawa and sand people. We know from surviving MOCs that the rarity order is rougly:-

1 Luke
2 Ben
3 Chewbacca
4 Leia
5 Han (Pin Head)
6 Vader
7 Deathsquad commander
8 Stormtrooper
9 R2D2
10 Sandpeople
11 Jawa
12 C3P0

That was from Gary in 2003:-
http://forum.rebelscum.com/t809705/

Here's the AFA totals for those 12 backs:-

10 Luke
8 Ben
7 Chewbacca
13 Leia
6 Han (Large Head)
10 Han (Pin Head)
19 Vader
19 Deathsquad commander
21 Stormtrooper
16 R2D2
26 Sandpeople
9 Jawa (Cloth Cape)
1 Jawa (Vinyl Cape)
20 C3P0
185 Total

In term of variations any Hans are likely to be either all large or all pin head. I'm guessing they will all be pin head.
I'm also guessing all the Jawas will be cloth cape.

In terms of a breakdown, I'm going with the AFA ratios, so that would comprise a box containing:-

3 Luke
2 Ben
2 Chewbacca
3 Leia
4 Han (Pin Head)
5 Vader
5 Deathsquad commander
5 Stormtrooper
4 R2D2
7 Sandpeople
3 Jawa (Cloth Cape)
5 C3P0

What's anyone else guess then?



Jason

It still could be conceivable there could be 4 complete sets especially if they were samples, but I do think we can't go off your AFA grading stats as the amounts would have been skewed by the initial popularity of the figures in their heyday, but I agree figures like the Stormtrooper, there would definitely need to be more. Every kid would have wanted a Luke, Han & Chewbacca that is why I think they are the rarest now. The Tusken Raider and C-3PO would probably have been the least popular at the time hence why there seems to be more of them.
If this was a later sales box, the figures could also be stacked by how well the figures had sold up to that point.

My guess would be:

4 Luke (most popular figure could even be 5)
3 Ben
4 Chewbacca
3 Leia (possibly only 2 - I wouldn't imagine what was perceived a girly figure in the 70's would have been popular with 10 year old boys)
4 Han (Pin Head again possibly 5)
5 Vader
7 Stormtrooper
3 Death Squad Commanders
4 Tusken Raider
4 R2-D2
3 Jawa (cloth cape)
4 C-3PO

I hope Vectis let us know.

 

[theslider]

Can't wait to see what's in the boxes but the prices are going to be astronomical. I could imagine them selling them over a few days to maximise profits - the slow tickle effect.

 

[Palifan]

heard from a good source today that these lots
came from a palitoy rep and could contain
at least 3x 30 back fetts!

I was told by Kathy of Vectis there were no 30 back Fetts :?: :!:

Ok so I'm confused a bit by all of this.

It's of no surprise to me that there may well be rumors circulating about this box of 48 Palitoy figures as I mentioned in another thread but I was more surprised to hear that Mr Palitoy has now stated he just assumed they were all 12 backs.

http://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=24286

They may well all be 12 backs for all we know but it's odd that Craig should mention that he wouldn't have bid on any of his lot if the bidders knew what was in the box. I know we all make mistakes at times with names, dates, places ect (hell I do it all the time :lol: ), but maybe we shouldn't be speculating on the contents of something like this and presenting it as a fact before we know for sure?
It's what can cause these rumors to begin and could possibly derail someones sales. Saying that though I certainly don't think mentioning this box as being full of 12 backs would have harmed Craig's sales in any way as he was selling 30 backs at the time but maybe there were a few loose lips at Vectis that got into some collectors ears (that's if there are indeed any 30 backs even in there).

This isn't meant as a personal attack on Jason ( Mr Palitoy) in anyway, it's just that there are quite a few respected forum members on here that people look to for solid information and we all need to be careful about some of the things we say. It's fun to play the guessing game with something like this but maybe we should all wait until we know things are fact before presenting them that way.

Ian

 

[jedisearcher]

Vectis have known about this sale for 6+ months. Keeping it quiet for that length of time was always going to be a challenge.

When I read what Craig said, I assumed he meant the Palitoy Death Stars being the big items that Palitoy collectors might be saving their pennies for. The fact that they are straight out of the box and presumably sealed means they're pretty unique.

I might be completely wrong though

As to people being discrete so as not to hinder auctions, that responsibility lies 100% with the auctioneer.

 

[JFK]

I personely thought that Craig's items didn't quite hit the money everyone thought they might achieve and now I've read all this ,I can see why ,vectis has lost some commission there but saying that ,what a grail of a find , so is it possible to derail a potential auction if you make a outrageous offer outside the auction ,so if you offered over £100 grand theese might never see the auction floor !! Best pop down see Kathy have a peek in theese boxs

 

[Bonsai_Tree_Ent]

I personely thought that Craig's items didn't quite hit the money everyone thought they might achieve and now I've read all this ,I can see why ,vectis has lost some commission there but saying that ,what a grail of a find , so is it possible to derail a potential auction if you make a outrageous offer outside the auction ,so if you offered over £100 grand theese might never see the auction floor !! Best pop down see Kathy have a peek in theese boxs

That's an interesting thought, and it does make me question of whether the global market of Ebay is a better place to sell than a local English auction house. And obviously Craig's items had the further benefit of massive (in comparison to the auction house norm) press coverage.

I wonder what the advantages of auction house selling are. I always presumed that it was the service that a buyer got, and you would receive your items well packaged, insured and very swiftly but another SWFUK thread seems to be saying that Vectis have been many orders of magnitude worse than a regular Ebay / facebook seller in this regard.

 

[SAVORY100]

I wonder what the advantages of auction house selling are. I always presumed that it was the service that a buyer got, and you would receive your items well packaged, insured and very swiftly but another SWFUK thread seems to be saying that Vectis have been many orders of magnitude worse than a regular Ebay / facebook seller in this regard.

It may be that using a physical auction house and lettng them describe/list the item for sale rather than the seller doing it themselves offers some form of protection to the seller as well as the shipping and insurance side of it all. I think it probably (if you use the right auction house) adds some credability for the buyer with regard to repro/reseal/fakery etc.

In this case they also created a media frenzy (of sorts) that meant even people who have paid no attention to my geeky hobby suddenly wanted to talk about it...

 

[Andyclarke]

Anyway lets get away from all the morals/virtues of Vectis. What we all really want is the speculation and excitement on that sealed box of 48. Jason over to you?

Has it been stressed to Vectis that they properly record and photograph what the contents are and how they were positioned in the box etc?

I hope Craig inadvertedly hasn't pulled the plug on Vectis letting us know bits of information.

 

[Alas-1]

Lets all put to and throw them an offer :mrgreen:

 

[Andyclarke]

Lets all put to and throw them an offer :mrgreen:

Count me in!

 

[Andyclarke]

Just wandered out at lunch to WH Smiths and lo and behold check out what is in Collectors Gazette next month. Excuse the pics, I was too tight to buy the magazine!

This seems to be connected to the original post of this topic rather than the Palitoy Rep find.

Obviously there's a Palitoy 65 Vader but it looks like cases of Jedi figures underneath.
Interesting times we are in at the moment. A golden period I dare say.

 

[_Lee_]

Are we sure thats not Tonis garage? :lol:

Anyways, do Vectis know that the logo'd figures are what people want moreso? Not being rude towards anyone there but they havent got a clue when it comes to Palitoy and the way they handle them is worrying. Sometimes you would think they thought they were handling POTF2 figures.

Just for clarification, has anyone seen inside these cases-if so, are they logo'd cards?

Lee

 

[_Lee_]

Adn thank feck i stopped colllecting Palitoy logo'd years ago.

 

[JFK]

Could there realy be a abandoned toy shop or even just a shop ! With today's or even as far as the 90s house and property prices ,are we realy exspected to believe there was a abandoned toy shop ? Realy ? DONT LET THE TRUTH GET IN THE WAY OF A GOOD STORY ! The abandoned toy shop is a great story ,that's the story that will attract all collectors ! It's got me

 

[OTB Records]

Just my two pennies' worth. I haven't been following the recent Vectis Star Wars auctions that closely but with the recent news of a 'long lost hoard' of factory fresh items being found my curiosity was awoken. Personally I feel that the way Vectis handled the release of information over this 'find' as very poor and that their actions hindered the second Star Wars sale on 24th. I feel sorry for the vendor of the pieces on 24th. Because of the vague teasing information released by Vectis I wouldn't be surprised if certain high-end collectors held back from bidding.

 

[theforceuk]

Just my two pennies' worth. I haven't been following the recent Vectis Star Wars auctions that closely but with the recent news of a 'long lost hoard' of factory fresh items being found my curiosity was awoken. Personally I feel that the way Vectis handled the release of information over this 'find' as very poor and that their actions hindered the second Star Wars sale on 24th. I feel sorry for the vendor of the pieces on 24th. Because of the vague teasing information released by Vectis I wouldn't be surprised if certain high-end collectors held back from bidding.

Agree with this. /\

 

[sith-smith]

I very much doubt. Vague information posted on here is highly unlikely to stop someone serious about getting pieces for their collection that are definitely there.

 

[Andyclarke]

There seems to be some perception from some forum members that the seller is always entitled to the highest price. What about a buyer who might be so desperate for a piece that he breaks the bank to land it only to find out another comes along a month later that goes for a fifth of the price. I definitely feel sorrier for them.

 

[OTB Records]

I very much doubt. Vague information posted on here is highly unlikely to stop someone serious about getting pieces for their collection that are definitely there.

Sorry if my post is ambiguous but you misunderstand me. I don't have a problem with information being shared on forums etc. My point is that Vectis shouldn't have released vague and unconfirmed information. Collectors will speculate in such circumstances. I know that if I was a Palitoy collector I would be confused to the point of losing interest in the recent 24th auction in the belief (right or wrong) that this incredible find will serve up something superior.