Today on Facebook...

[xbomber]

All this important second hand information.

I need to get involved with Facebook more, I'm afraid forums are a dying format.

There's a place for both and I must stress that 95%+ on fb is just noise. Without reiterating some of the above, the majority is "guess what's in this box" or "beaters for sale".

 

[xbomber]

Talking of fractious, a lot of anger on the echo group tonight as a '90 chaser' has opened a moc.

There was something on there or Jabba's yesterday too... could be the same story. Guy bought an MOC pop up R2 end of last year... and is now selling just the cardback !!

Obviously FB is now drawing in the feckwits that don't care about the hobby, and are purely in it for the money... even if it means opening an MOC :evil:

Some people just need to burn...

No mate, the one I saw was a snaggletooth with damaged bubble that a buyer bought under false pretences. I'll look for the r2 once later. The way r2 popup has ridiculously appreciated, I'm saddened but unsurprised.

 

[lejackal]

It was the same person that opened both the Snag and the R2

 

[peekaygee73]

There's a facebook group called 'Plastic crack'?! Am I the only who one hates that phrase?

 

[itfciain]

It was the same person that opened both the Snag and the R2

And who purchased a load of baggie C3POs and had them graded as loose - with the backpack still sealed

 

[Mr-shifter]

There's a facebook group called 'Plastic crack'?! Am I the only who one hates that phrase?

No. It's a term spawned from Facebook that sums up the mentality of some of those collectors driving prices.

To me, to compare this hobby to drug addiction shows how the modern collector views things. A short term fix to make them feel better before they must obtain another.

Anyone who has been in this for a while understands time, effort, research and patience patience patioence are what gets you anywhere. Not the attributes displayed by a crack addict.

 

[edd_jedi]

I don't think it's a derogatory term, I also collect vinyl and it has been called "black crack" for years. It's not meant to be offensive or ridicule those addicted to drugs, it's just a poke at the fact it drains all your money.

 

[mumbo]

There's a facebook group called 'Plastic crack'?! Am I the only who one hates that phrase?

It's pretty meh but I guess it is an addictive hobby so why not.

There's also a strong desire for people to keep making reference to rocking horse **** for some reason :roll:

 

[Michael Sith]

They are just having the craic, sometimes finding a sense of humour is like rocking horse **** :lol:

 

[mumbo]

They are just having the craic, sometimes finding a sense of humour is like rocking horse **** :lol:

:lol: :lol:

 

[edd_jedi]

Another variant rant. Just saw a post where somebody is asking why his "family 2" Han Bespin has a different head sculpt from another family 2 Han he has.

BECAUSE IT'S ALL MADE UP ********! :lol:

 

[Richard_H]

When was the last time you saw a figure for sale that wasn't a variant?

 

[poncho]

Another variant rant. Just saw a post where somebody is asking why his "family 2" Han Bespin has a different head sculpt from another family 2 Han he has.

BECAUSE IT'S ALL MADE UP ********! :lol:

not my bag but i get it. a han bespin is a han bespin to me. unless theres a something obviously different

there a different type of collector. like die hard trainspotters i guess

 

[poncho]

When was the last time you saw a figure for sale that wasn't a variant?

because variants are the in thing atm and people pay way over what there actually worth imo

 

[edd_jedi]

I get that they are different, but no two figures are exactly the same.

 

[poncho]

I get that they are different, but no two figures are exactly the same.

hell no i have some han hoth all same coo same paint scheme yet each one is different in terms of excess plastic, paint splashes, dodgy eye applications etc etc etc

 

[Tarkin's nosehair]

...............and today on FB someone put a loose Nikto without weapon up for auction with a starting price of £10 :roll:

 

[mumbo]

...............and today on FB someone put a loose Nikto without weapon up for auction with a starting price of £10 :roll:

and it probably sold for £51 :lol:

 

[Tarkin's nosehair]

and it probably sold for £51 :lol:

Yeah you would have thought :lol: He got told by admin it was too high & to take it to a sales forum if he really wanted that price for it, and the seller then accused him of price bashing FFS :lol:

 

[wrighty]

Another variant rant. Just saw a post where somebody is asking why his "family 2" Han Bespin has a different head sculpt from another family 2 Han he has.

BECAUSE IT'S ALL MADE UP ********! :lol:

CLASSIC!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[edd_jedi]

$550 for a trilogo Han Carbonite, from the seller everybody loves publicly thanking for letting them buy his stuff.

Hahahahahaha

 

[xbomber]

There's a facebook group called 'Plastic crack'?! Am I the only who one hates that phrase?

Hate it with a passion. They've had t shirts made up now proudly proclaiming it. Find it distasteful personally.

 

[plantainman]

Another variant rant. Just saw a post where somebody is asking why his "family 2" Han Bespin has a different head sculpt from another family 2 Han he has.

BECAUSE IT'S ALL MADE UP ********! :lol:

Edd, Surely you're in danger here of insinuating stuff like Psybertech's Leia bespin mould research, General Khan's Luke Bespin mould research or Eddie-Dan Gerous' DSC analysis is a load of tosh. Yes, they are 'niche', But that's kind of the point I think & they are very valuable, in-depth guides.

If the guy asking about the Han Bespin head got further intrigued by the responses he gets from his original inquiry and went on to produce an in depth analysis of that one figures moulds and produced a detailed limelight, Then surely that could only be a good thing for the hobby?

There's a place in the hobby for everyone (Well, Everyone who isn't an obvious tit/scammer :lol: ), Beit high end collecting of rare cardbacks or just plain old army building of beaters.

A lot of FB posts annoy me too, But a question about different head moulds appearing on the same family COO is the kind of question I asked on forums 5/6 years ago, and the replies and answers generated in the thread proved invaluable for me. Look back through the forums and you can see experienced SW collectors asking each other the same things well over a decade ago.

I would never want to see someone on FB stopped from talking about mould differences or whatever, I'd just rather see the same question asked on a forum where the information and findings would remain.

I guess I'm in the 'other corner' on this one, so I'm merely airing an alternative viewpoint to the original point.

Neil

 

[edd_jedi]

Edd, Surely you're in danger here of insinuating stuff like Psybertech's Leia bespin mould research, General Khan's Luke Bespin mould research or Eddie-Dan Gerous' DSC analysis is a load of tosh.

Yes that's basically what I'm saying. In fact Psybertech himself says it on his own website:

Since many things can happen during manufacture, there are too many possible minor variations that I could never fully document all of them without having seen hundreds to thousands of examples in my hand.

These are incredibly minor differences that occurred throughout the manufacturing process. None of them were intentional. Nobody at Kenner called them "family groups." This is all nonsense collectors have made up themselves in the last few years as a way of selling £2 beater figures for piles of cash to gullible variant collectors.

I can give you plenty of examples - why do some "PBP" figures show up on Palitoy cards? Because they are not PBP figures, that's why!

It's the equivalent of somebody coming up to me in my job as a web developer and asking "can you move that box 2 pixels higher" and then people analysing it 30 years later. It just happened, no need to write a book about it

 

[plantainman]

I can give you plenty of examples - why do some "PBP" figures show up on Palitoy cards? Because they are not PBP figures, that's why!

There are PBP exclusive figures which only appeared on PBP cards, then there are others that were produced by PBP then distributed to other companies to repackage, e.g. Palitoy, as well as appearing on PBP cards. Either way though, They are still a PBP figure, as that is who produced them.

These are incredibly minor differences that occurred throughout the manufacturing process. None of them were intentional. Nobody at Kenner called them "family groups." This is all nonsense collectors have made up themselves in the last few years as a way of selling £2 beater figures for piles of cash to gullible variant collectors.

I prefer Eddie-Dan Gerous' description of it, As "pretty high level geekery".

I disagree people do research into mould families and COO variants for financial gain, I genuinely have the belief it is done for the love of collecting. Perhaps that's too innocent of a view to have, but then that would be more fool me anyway.

 

[edd_jedi]

You're right that the people doing the research (or making this stuff up) are not doing it for their own gain, but sadly it is being turned into an excuse to extort money. Example - PBP Luke Bespin as people call it (the one that was on Palitoy Jedi cards.) Toy Toni has hundreds of these and was selling them for £10-15 each for decades. As soon as he found out morons on Facebook are calling them PBP figures, now he's charing £50 for them!

 

[edd_jedi]

Show me a signed Kenner blueprint highlighting sculpt/COO changes like you see for other things (box designs etc) and I'll start to take them a little more seriously. But the fact is I know they don't exist and probably never did because quite frankly nobody cared.

 

[edd_jedi]

Oh come on. Very good condition? It has NO accessories, most of the stickers are missing and it's yellowing! Sold in a couple of minutes :roll:

 

[tiefighterboy]

So missing everything is now considered very good condition. I believe they used to call that a shell. :lol:

 

[newswseller]

I must be doing something wrong, as i can't get anybody to buy my stuff on facebook? couldnt even sell a decent yak face for £150, had to sell it on ebay :?