Today on Facebook...

[Mr-shifter]

You are all just copying eBay anyway

Brace yourselves lads, its going to get messy!

 

[xbomber]

Only one reasonable recourse I would suggest Jimi.

Copy their hats.

 

[Jimi Woolley]

You are all just copying eBay anyway

Brace yourselves lads, its going to get messy!

but without the fee's, added security of knowing the seller, admin checking every (well most!) posts to check repro weapons haven't slipped through etc :wink:

 

[SOJ]

After months of us (the admin of Jabba's Palace auction group) getting grief from the Echo admin over auctions driving up prices and admin directly blaming us for the recent price hikes, what do the almighty Echo Base do when they loose control of their group and can't deal with all the issue regarding pricing?
They start their own auction group! Possibly the most hypocritical thing I've ever seen

Brilliant, judging by the last page of this thread they're already in the middle of a massive shitstorm. What a great time to launch. Judging by what was selling on Echo before I left I can't wait to see the endless parade of beaters selling at echo prices in auction form.

 

[Lindo]

You are all just copying eBay anyway

Brace yourselves lads, its going to get messy!

but without the fee's, added security of knowing the seller, admin checking every (well most!) posts to check repro weapons haven't slipped through etc :wink:

I think the fees that ebay charge are not too outrageous considering the protection they give a buyer and the fact that auction houses charge 30 odd %, I personally would feel safer buying from ebay than I would on facebook. The cant see any protection if you buy from facebook, the only protection you would get is if you paid paypal goods, same as here though I spose but it feels a lot closer knit on here than it does on there.

 

[Pantzman]

This is their reaction to said shitstorm. Over the last few weeks they have had more rule changes than in the last year. All because the monster they have created has broken free from its reigns and the master is no longer in control.
I hope they are satisfied that not only have they ruined friendships and the general goodwill towards all in the community but now they are trying to ruin vintage SW collecting in the uk in totality.

 

[Dannywhiteley]

Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of fuckwits

 

[indianawars]

I have only ever done one deal on Facebook back in 2015 which put me off from ever doing a deal on Facebook again.
It was for an Ugnaught AFA 85 ESB debut MOC for £200. The guy must have thought I did a gift payment as he requested me to do, but I thought I'd send £208 to cover the fees and cover my arse... and it was a bloody good job I did too. 9 days later, nothing arrived! I opened a PayPal case, and an hour later the seller messaged me with the weakest of excuses, 'I thought I had posted it.'

 

[lejackal]

This is for sale at £1100 - AFA85 and looks lovely.....can you sense the but yet?

comments so far;
Tidy
Beautiful
Bang tidy
Beautiful that

And all I want to say is it looks nice but it's a £500 card in a £10 case :mrgreen:

 

[lejackal]

Dear Facebook,

Darth Vader is not a £35 plus figure!

Best,

The rest of the Star Wars collecting universe

 

[edd_jedi]

Dear Facebook,

Darth Vader is not a £35 plus figure!

Best,

The rest of the Star Wars collecting universe

Yeah I saw that, I could make a nice profit buying Toy Toni's loose figures and selling them on Facebook!

 

[Tarkin's nosehair]

Dear Facebook,

Darth Vader is not a £35 plus figure!

Best,

The rest of the Star Wars collecting universe

^^^^^^THIS^^^^^ :lol:

 

[edd_jedi]

£54 for a solid dome R2 :?

 

[poncho]

£54 for a solid dome R2 :?

I'm guessing Hong kong and not taiwan.... eesh

 

[edd_jedi]

Is it just me or is this variant nonsense getting out of hand? There will be 5,000 different versions of every figure if people continue kidding themselves that every tiny difference in paint, mould, COO etc is a legitimate, deliberate variant.

 

[theforceuk]

Crackers!

 

[poncho]

Is it just me or is this variant nonsense getting out of hand? There will be 5,000 different versions of every figure if people continue kidding themselves that every tiny difference in paint, mould, COO etc is a legitimate, deliberate variant.

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looks the same to me :lol:

 

[edd_jedi]

I mean surely no two figures are exactly the same right? So does that make every figure a variant?

 

[lejackal]

I get the slight COO differences because at least the mood must've been slightly different but unless you can show me paint applications, colours and whatever else on MOCs they are not variants, they have faded or degraded. They're nearly forty years old ffs.

 

[Pantzman]

Is it just me or is this variant nonsense getting out of hand? There will be 5,000 different versions of every figure if people continue kidding themselves that every tiny difference in paint, mould, COO etc is a legitimate, deliberate variant.

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This is a bit different. As you know there are three mould families for DSC - all slightly different. But I'll bet if you go through yours very few of you have a family 3 DSC. I think all collectors should go for the one example from each family.

 

[Jimi Woolley]

Is it just me or is this variant nonsense getting out of hand? There will be 5,000 different versions of every figure if people continue kidding themselves that every tiny difference in paint, mould, COO etc is a legitimate, deliberate variant.

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Well technically he's not asking for a specific coo he's asking for a mould family variant.
The figures with these 2 coo's would've come from a unique mould that would have been used in one factory (usually) This factory would also have their own spray masks, would also source their own plastic and have their own accessory moulds....
Sounds like it has the potential to be quite different to the Fam I & II DSC's to me.

 

[Jimi Woolley]

Is it just me or is this variant nonsense getting out of hand? There will be 5,000 different versions of every figure if people continue kidding themselves that every tiny difference in paint, mould, COO etc is a legitimate, deliberate variant.

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This is a bit different. As you know there are three mould families for DSC - all slightly different. But I'll bet if you go through yours very few of you have a family 3 DSC. I think all collectors should go for the one example from each family.

Sorry didn't see your reply when I posted mine

 

[edd_jedi]

I've never even heard the phrase "family" with any figure before, let alone the DSC. As far as I'm concerned there is one DSC figure :lol: Sorry to say it guys but it's madness like this that is driving up prices, turning £2 beater figures in to holy grail 'one of a kind' variants.

 

[Jimi Woolley]

I've never even heard the phrase "family" with any figure before, let alone the DSC. As far as I'm concerned there is one DSC figure :lol: Sorry to say it guys but it's madness like this that is driving up prices, turning £2 beater figures in to holy grail 'one of a kind' variants.

It amazes me how quickly people pick up on variants when they realise there is money to be made!

I think what's great about this hobby is that there is something for everyone. Some people have real passion for carded figures and can tell you what cardback variants are tough to find for each figure yet others couldn't tell you what cardbacks are even available but could tell you the COO of a figure from looking at the front of the figure and then go on to tell you what factory it was made in!

 

[edd_jedi]

Yeah I'm not so much against the identification side of it, as you say yes there are loads of cardback variations. The difference with loose variants seems to be that it is a license to print money. I've been picking up trilogo MOC variants over the last couple of years and on the whole the difference in value is minimal. Yet with loose figures for some bizarre reason one COO can sell for ten or even 100 times the value of another, and let's face it no loose production figures are rare. Just because a loose figure was made in Spain doesn't mean they only made 5 of them :roll:

 

[Pantzman]

It can be as deep as you want to go. There's nothing wrong with collecting, admiring and displaying, but when you get to a certain point it's just aS rewarding to go into study. Personally I'm trying to match weapon moulds with figure moulds from specific factories. Totally pointless and unnessessary but why not?
I wouldn't say there was money in mould variants but people certainly try to for visual paint differences.

 

[poncho]

It can be as deep as you want to go. There's nothing wrong with collecting, admiring and displaying, but when you get to a certain point it's just aS rewarding to go into study. Personally I'm trying to match weapon moulds with figure moulds from specific factories. Totally pointless and unnessessary but why not?
I wouldn't say there was money in mould variants but people certainly try to for visual paint differences.

ive noticed you doing this on the court. theres one thing you can say about our toy line theres something for everyone be it a beater, pre production, variants loose and moc variants, weapon variants which i know you love....the list goes on.

and end of the day we buy sell and collect beautfiul things

 

[M4K3R1]

COO collecting can be a great way to collect, if you don't go over the top with all the made up definitions floating around today.
Every one feels the need to put a title in front of common coo variants, for eg: Palitoy, Meccano etc, followed by a big price, this is false as most coo variant were packed into various cardback, and same cardbacks had diiferent coo packed into them. Some COO variants can be a little more difficult to pick up, they will carry a bit more to the price, but 95% of the COO are quite common.
Variants to me are the different coo stamps on the back of the legs, each coo stamp has a pair to it, which usually has a very minor difference to the pair of stamps ( this falls into the category of mold family ) each mold family usually has details which can be attributed to that mold family.
Paint differences I prefer to put in the category of versions of a certain coo, not a variant in the sense of the word variant. A single COO can have paint differences in colour.
Certain capes, accessories, weapons, will usually go with a certain mold family.
It can be quite fun chasing variants
Then there is always the oddball stuff, unpainted, defects can be interesting too.
Variants is an area of the hobby that you either agree with or you don't, if you do, you quickly become obsessed chasing variants, if you don't, well you don't, that's fine.
I like what Pantzman said, "It can be as deep as you want to go"
Just look at Wolffs collection, close to 700 or 800 different figures. Set by COO stamps only.

 

[user 5830]

I got a bit lost with black, blue black, metallic and blue blasters... :? Now I see that there are V1-V10(?) for each of those.. which to my mind is utter bobbins... every factory will have had many dozens of molds running at any given time to keep up with production, each will have been microscopically different and therefore we return to the never ending question/query of who should have which blaster and whether a POTF or Tri-Logo is different from each other... I feel I'm spiraling down a never ending drain on my own will to live at times... as if being flushed down a toilet...

Although for knowledge and cataloging I understand the motives and of course it stands a chance of reducing the reproduction items in circulation with serious collectors, however, I also have deep concerns that the overly aggressive categorisation of variants in weapons particulary is in turn running the risk of destroying real weapons as well as those vile repro things while some folk catch-up.

Having said all that, I do have a number of COO 'variants' in my Han Solo and Rebel Soldier runs, but actually I like (and collect) the different tones of plastics and paint apps (as much as the COO) which to be fair are often likely to be associated with degradation anyway... :lol:

 

[weasel]

Variant collectors..............I'm saying nothing. :roll: :lol: