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[Mr-shifter]

FYI.. shared Franks article on here on EB

Be gone in about 20 minutes..............

Why dont you go bump it then lol?

It only makes people angry with me.

 

[tiefighterboy]

Bump

 

[edd_jedi]

Bump

Oi :lol:

 

[xbomber]

Thought I lost this thread when I woke up this morning, thank god it's still here!! :lol:

It is strangely compelling.

 

[SOJ]

Oh **** me, if this was a Facebook id add some sarcastic meme. As it's not I'll just roll my eyes forum style :roll:

Dan, don't you think there is a reason EB gets so much flack? Seriously, like we're all Elitist snobs?

I joined Echo back in the early days when there were around 200 members. I did lots of buying and selling, including deals with Adam. It was very relaxed and for a time my favourite place to visit on FB. Since then the group has grown and at the same time descended into more and more chaos, with drama after drama, rule after rule. Members who are instant experts and put out misinformation with little or no challenge.

It's got rules coming out of arse yet nothing is said by Admins about 100 incomplete "uncirculated" Luke Jedi's and Xwings getting flogged for double what they're worth and a ban on posts linking to anything outside of Echo. Then the same stuff gets posted every other day. "is it just me or have prices gone up" was today's corker.

And the page just rolls on ready to start again the next day. "Look at these old Argos catalogue" that have been post 15 times this month. "What's a YPS Stormtrooper" Sterling stuff.

I don't see myself as elitist, yes have healthy collection but I still come here and ask questions, difference being I get informed opinion. Where on Echo I've got to scroll through a load of bollocks to get to the any resembling an answer unless I want to know the value of a loose Yak Face. If your definition of being informed or educated is Elitist then okay **** it, I'm elitist.

The last few pages of this thread have made me reevaluate why I still bother with Echo. Not any of the other FB pages I'm a member of, just Echo.

If I had gone on to echo and had a conversation of the nature you've had with Edd with you or one of the other admins, I'd of been banned. Without question. And that's the difference, we're adults who collect toys and like to DISCUSS it in an open manner with being worried about being banned. That's it, no more no less.

it's you that's turned this into a pissing contest and shown absolute contempt towards Edd and this forum. Yes this thread calls out the bullshit mostly on Echo and because if it was called out on the page people would be banned.

And to that point I haven't bought or sold on your page for over 18 months, I only remained a member because I was worried I was going to miss something important to the hobby. The truth is the only thing I am going to miss is a bunch of over priced mostly incomplete loose figures. So your 10,084 members is now 10,083.

Although by the time I submit this post you'll probably be at 10,100 members.......woo-hoo.

 

[banton989uk]

Part of the problem is with the "whats in the box" posts et al (which I'm not a huge fan of) is if we delete them we get accused of censorship.

If we put a rule in place to stop people posting them up we get accused of having too many rules.

It's a bit of a catch 22 :roll:

I like forums, they cant be beaten for knowledge base or quality of articles, that's never been an argument. I don't quite know why it's decended into a discussion on whats best? Both have their uses.

Anyway... I'm going to try and address some of the issues and concerns raised as best I can.

Peace

 

[SOJ]

I like forums, they cant be beaten for knowledge base or quality of articles

Start off by adding that statement to your pinned post

 

[theforceuk]

But your going to get bombarded with reasons why this thread exists and keeps getting bumped.

Bump, sad I know. I hate to say it but I told you so.

 

[lejackal]

Echo Base suggested rules;
1, Members are not to be dicks
2, Admins are not to be dicks
3, If rules 1 or 2 are broken expect to be called out
4, No Repro
5, No U Grades
6, Do your research, we will help you but we are not babysitters and not here to hold your hand
7, Have fun and don't take yourselves too seriously

 

[SOJ]

Echo Base suggested rules;
1, Members are not to be dicks
2, Admins are not to be dicks
3, If rules 1 or 2 are broken expect to be called out
4, No Repro
5, No U Grades
6, Do your research, we will help you but we are not babysitters and not here to hold your hand
7, Have fun and don't take yourselves too seriously

They'd cull 1000 members within 24 hours.

 

[banton989uk]

We've tried having one rule, we've tried minimising the rules. Every rule has been born out of something thats happened over time that we dont want a repeat of.

Because it's primarily a trading page (the clue's in the name) we cant be as free and easy with what goes on.

Im sure we would all happily embrace the forums more and mutually benefit each other if the respect was a two way street.

 

[Mr-shifter]

We've tried having one rule, we've tried minimising the rules. Every rule has been born out of something thats happened over time that we dont want a repeat of.

Because it's primarily a trading page (the clue's in the name) we cant be as free and easy with what goes on.

Im sure we would all happily embrace the forums more and mutually benefit each other if the respect was a two way street.

Respect is earned mate. New collectors are welcomed into this hobby. When they behave like dicks to long standing members, why should they expect any back.

 

[banton989uk]

We've tried having one rule, we've tried minimising the rules. Every rule has been born out of something thats happened over time that we dont want a repeat of.

Because it's primarily a trading page (the clue's in the name) we cant be as free and easy with what goes on.

Im sure we would all happily embrace the forums more and mutually benefit each other if the respect was a two way street.

Respect is earned mate. New collectors are welcomed into this hobby. When they behave like dicks to long standing members, why should they expect any back.

So a new collector deserves no respect?

I was talking about groups, not individuals btw Ben

 

[SOJ]

That's not what Ben said was it. We all have to start somewhere and best way to learn is from other people. But when you act like a Billy Big Bananas cause you caned your credit card and bought yourself a VCJ and a Yak Face 30 minutes after you've decided to start collecting and now you think you're Steve Sansweet why would someone want to help you?

 

[edd_jedi]

Adam I respect your latest post and do genuinely appreciate the sentiment. If the other admins chiming in had said something similar we could maybe have avoided 5 pages of drivel. Admittedly it was on both sides so apologies.

I think we all have bigger fish to fry right now with the baggie thread, maybe this thread should be given a rest for a while.

 

[mumbo]

when did the scandal break exactly?
Before the boom in Facebook groups as in when forums were more frequently used?

It was December 2013, Facebook was almost 10 years old by then.

Trading groups however had not.
If the scandal broke today where do you think the biggest spikes would be?

I wonder where those spikes are right now?

 

[Mr-shifter]

It was December 2013, Facebook was almost 10 years old by then.

Trading groups however had not.
If the scandal broke today where do you think the biggest spikes would be?

I wonder where those spikes are right now?

Facebook.

Because Dan said so

 

[edd_jedi]

Like a ski slope!

 

[banton989uk]

Just a shame it's not for good news though. :roll: they cant let it lie, :lol:

 

[Mr-shifter]

Just a shame it's not for good news though. :roll: they cant let it lie, :lol:

Don't poke the sleeping dog Adam