Today on Facebook...

[poncho]

to quote lisa simpson ''but who will police the police''

 

[MarkG]

Yes all posts must be approved by Admin !! On EB

And now it's a privilege to be a member... oh I feel so honoured... :roll:

 

[ODB]

Noticed that price bashing is now a bannable offence. What a joke, I can't be bothered with that lot any more, let the morons run wild with the other morons.

 

[SOJ]

sounds like it's not getting any better!!!! The Cock knockery continues and the admins continue to build their Trump style wall around their members. Echo spirit? Echo prices? Glad I waved that lot goodbye.

 

[mumbo]

People starting to cash in on the Leia price hike, lots of them coming up for sale :roll:

MTFBWY

 

[lejackal]

I infiltrated Echo on a friends account today and from what I saw alot of the people asking stupid money for stuff are not new, they know exactly what they're doing and how much they're overcharging by
EBay is genuinely cheaper.
As for the pinned post telling people to do their research and not to get taken advantage of yet in another sentence banning promotion of or links to other forums/groups/pages/ebay where such education could be undertaken.

 

[wrighty]

Yes all posts must be approved by Admin !! On EB

Sounds like dictatorship to me! 8)

 

[Dannywhiteley]

As for the pinned post telling people to do their research and not to get taken advantage of yet in another sentence banning promotion of or links to other forums/groups/pages/ebay where such education could be undertaken.

Absolute joke, talk about a dictatorship. Banning all talk of other groups, resources and sales pages it's censorship beyond belief. Makes you wonder why, what the admins get out if it apart from the hero worship. The collectors on there are like robots, lapping it up. Echo spirit? ******* muppets.

 

[yoda]

When I keep reading all this I don't think I'll ever join any of those Facebook groups now. It really does show how great this little forum is.

 

[RetroDan16]

Just a few things about why we're approving posts for the next few days - with the current hysteria regarding Leia Organa figures peaking at ridiculous prices this has naturally resulted in an avalanche of duplicated, sometimes pretty toxic posts about the current state of prices. For that reason, we've been approving posts and not putting on any of the same posts complaining that we're doing nothing about prices etc; and the fact that some have been quite abusive to other sellers. An unfortunate thing to have to do, but necessary at least until the discord blows over.
All other posts are approved, so it's not a dictatorship or anything, it's just to try and stem the bad feeling and negativity in repeated posts regurgitating the same topic.
Right or wrong, it's causing too much bad feeling. We've been accused of trying to fix pricing on Echo with the price guide, so we did away with it and now we get criticised for letting the prices go as we've essentially washed our hands of it.
It's a pretty miserable time to be a buyer right now, I think many would agree.
To address the rule about stifling education from other groups and pages, that's not true in that sense, we welcome links for educational purposes, more than ever right now, although we don't allow eBay links (because more often than not, links are posted to current or recently finished auctions).
I'd just like to say the post approvals aren't being done for some of the reasons mentioned above, nor is there any attempt to influence buyers and sellers in any way.
We're constantly talking with Jabba's and Yavin admins about how to make things better for all members in all groups.
Hopefully we can come up with some ideas that might inject a little more common sense and get some people back to enjoying the hobby again.
We're trying our best, honest!

 

[lejackal]

To address the rule about stifling education from other groups and pages, that's not true in that sense, we welcome links for educational purposes, more than ever right now, although we don't allow eBay links (because more often than not, links are posted to current or recently finished auctions)

Not true Dan, the pinned posted previously had a section stating that you actively encourage members to use other sites and included links to this forum, TIG, and a few others.
That isn't there anymore.
Your current ruling is this

Doesn't look like you're encouraging education to me

 

[Mr-shifter]

I think echo base is having somewhat of an epiphany, and perhaps is comping round to the fact that it is and will always only ever be a trading site.

Perhaps this is a bit sad for some of the users who are trying to create a community type vibe, and kudos to them for attempting to do so, however with 11,000 plus members, it looks great on paper and you can brag about the numbers all you want but it isn't condusive to the community they want, and maybe the past few days have shown this more than ever.

As much as the admin try to stamp authority on their group, you effectively have an angry mob. You can moan about prices all you want but in reality the group is so big the angry mob will do what they want. Really, there is very little control and they have had to go into lockdown and start banning people to get any kind of order back.

I really couldn't care less what happens on Facebook at the moment. Even if echo went, there are 3 other sites at least performing the same function and many more overseas ones. If they all went something would pop back up. The forum seems to be really alive and I have three events locked down over the next few months, which is by far the most rewarding part of the online community for me.

 

[indianawars]

*WARNING, THIS POST MAY CONTAIN REALITY THAT SOME READERS MAY FIND DISTURBING*

Certain Facebook groups are only of interest to collectors because they think they may be able to find something for their collections.
NOT because they are loyal to that Facebook page, but just simply using as a means to obtain something. For instants if I started a Facebook page with the promise of up to 50 new items listed for sale every week, then I too would end up with a Facebook group with thousands of members. It isn't because their loyal to me or my page, but simply because it's another means to obtain something. Now if people stopped listing items for sale on my page, then my Facebook page would instantly die! So whilst people may think highly of themselves, the truth is, you are nothing special.

 

[xbomber]

*WARNING, THIS POST MAY CONTAIN REALITY THAT SOME READERS MAY FIND DISTURBING*

Certain Facebook groups are only of interest to collectors because they think they may be able to find something for their collections.
NOT because they are loyal to that Facebook page, but just simply using as a means to obtain something. For instants if I started a Facebook page with the promise of up to 50 new items listed for sale every week, then I too would end up with a Facebook group with thousands of members. It isn't because their loyal to me or my page, but simply because it's another means to obtain something. Now if people stopped listing items for sale on my page, then my Facebook page would instantly die! So whilst people may think highly of themselves, the truth is, you are nothing special.

Not really the echo spirit mate.

ADMIN!

 

[RetroDan16]

To address the rule about stifling education from other groups and pages, that's not true in that sense, we welcome links for educational purposes, more than ever right now, although we don't allow eBay links (because more often than not, links are posted to current or recently finished auctions)

Not true Dan, the pinned posted previously had a section stating that you actively encourage members to use other sites and included links to this forum, TIG, and a few others.
That isn't there anymore.
Your current ruling is this
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Doesn't look like you're encouraging education to me

We don't apply that rule hard and fast though, there's a lot of weapon queries which usually get pointed to TIG, the baggie scandal was pointed to here etc.
It mostly applies to eBay; we have info topics weekly where we list a lot of reference resources and so on.
Relevant links are usually left up if they help with a particular topic.
I'm well aware that you can't be blinkered to other sites that are out there and that we all use, and it's daft to just pretend they're not there!
Honestly not trying to be awkward in any of this, there's just only so many Darth Vader toaster links you can allow :-D

 

[lejackal]

So why remove links to information sites from the post?

 

[Mr-shifter]

So why remove links to information sites from the post?

Yeah. It's your pinned post. Just don't put a link to eBay.........

 

[RetroDan16]

I'm not going to get into a dispute about Echo's pinned post other than we're really tying to find the best way of doing things.
It's common sense not to provide eBay links if an auction is live or recently finished, and it's easier to stop all links to eBay as people were constantly posting live auctions which isn't fair on those who might have been watching an item and their auction was 'outed'.

However we do share links on the Friday topic posts like here for example:

 

[lejackal]

Why only on a Friday? Why not reshare them on Fridays but have them pinned permanently - we all know FB search function is gash

 

[lejackal]

Or even better teach people how to search completed listings on Ebay, also direct people to Starwars tracker.
I bet with over 11000 members Jared would love to work with you and offer something up for Echo members?

 

[RetroDan16]

Or even better teach people how to search completed listings on Ebay, also direct people to Starwars tracker.
I bet with over 11000 members Jared would love to work with you and offer something up for Echo members?

One of Facebooks pain in the ass limitations on the pinned post is you can't seem to link to individual posts (which is crazy)!
Screen grabs added to the files section might be a way round that. I agree it'd be useful to have them on hand.
I've also been speaking to Jared a lot lately about the tracker.
Currently it's probably the most sensible way to research prices.

 

[RetroDan16]

Why only on a Friday? Why not reshare them on Fridays but have them pinned permanently - we all know FB search function is gash

The search function is horrendous!
A lot of people use Facebook on iPads etc and on tablets, the search bar within groups still hasn't been implemented!
Definitely one of the biggest obstacles in researching on there.

 

[poncho]

search function on facebook is crap.

this is why forums are so much better

ive seen some good comment threads on facebook groups. but bugger me if i can find them a week or month later. buried and gone for ever.....

now i have to click like

goto my like history and find the thread that way....


what a ball ache

 

[edd_jedi]

I have to say Dan I appreciate you coming on here and trying to answer these questions with a level head, I think some of the comments by people here are a bit harsh TBH and I don't want this thread to turn nasty again please guys.

On the subject of approving posts I think his response is fair enough, I had to do it on here a few year back due to an influx of spammers, it does need doing sometimes and will hopefully only be temporary.

I think Ben is right that a choice has to be made by some groups, size or quality. It seems having both is impossible, especially on a format like Facebook with one single feed for a group.

 

[RetroDan16]

I have to say Dan I appreciate you coming on here and trying to answer these questions with a level head, I think some of the comments by people here are a bit harsh TBH and I don't want this thread to turn nasty again please guys.

On the subject of approving posts I think his response is fair enough, I had to do it on here a few year back due to an influx of spammers, it does need doing sometimes and will hopefully only be temporary.

I think Ben is right that a choice has to be made by some groups, size or quality. It seems having both is impossible, especially on a format like Facebook with one single feed for a group.

Thanks Edd, you've pretty much hit the nail on the head there with the reasoning behind approving posts etc; there's a heck of a lot of spam and negative posts but already they seem to be easing off so hopefully the approval system will be lifted soon.
The quality/quantity issue is also very valid!

 

[Mr-shifter]

Don't get me wrong. Echo base has a community. I have met a number of them, including Adam on a few occasions and the much maligned Wayne totty. It's just the community is a tiny portion of regular posters and as the group grows, that element gets relatively smaller.

It is fast becoming a victim of its own success due to the size.

And let's be honest, the labelling of people is a bit silly. I know I always get "he's from swfuk" when I go places and I don't mind the association because I do spend the most time here, but at the end of the day wether you call yourself echo, jabbas, tig, whatever, it's all the same cardboard and plastic, and ultimately above that, and I feel people have really lost sight of this recently, it's not about the toys. It's about a film that was released 40 years ago and EVERYTHING that followed that defined my generation.

 

[Richard_H]

Thanks Dan, a nice level headed set of posts. It's a shame other admins preferred to brag about numbers instead of looking to address the issue. I'm sure with you and Adam leading the charge the mess will get sorted fine.

 

[wrighty]

Maybe time to change the subject. 1st 12 loose AFA graded 80 and above sold for $1200. That averages out $100 each, bargain or over priced? :shock:

 

[Richard_H]

Yeah I read that. Just in - sent loads of mint figures in :roll:

 

[Jimi Woolley]

After months of us (the admin of Jabba's Palace auction group) getting grief from the Echo admin over auctions driving up prices and admin directly blaming us for the recent price hikes, what do the almighty Echo Base do when they loose control of their group and can't deal with all the issue regarding pricing?
They start their own auction group! Possibly the most hypocritical thing I've ever seen