The imaginatively titled Premier League 21/22 Thread
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Robbo hadn't been booked pre that tackle. He was initially booked for it, the VAR said look at the monitor and it was upgraded to a straight red. Having seen it again and now the heat of the moment has passed, it's more a red than not. It's SOOOOOO stupid as well. That's the worst part.
Kane's is still worse. Much worse.
If you thought the Deli Alli one was a pen, then the Jota one must be stonewall In your eye. Alli is barely touched and goes down, Jota is barged over. It is, literally, a shoulder in the back. I'm a Pool fan and I don't think Jota's was more than 50:50, and it's the more clear cut of the two.
As for Pool's second, I still have no idea what way the refs interpret handball so I can't say.
I actually said that at the time. If he wasn't England captain, he was gone. Not the first, second, or third time, the England Captain (Kane and his predecessors) have got away with a shocking tackle.
And I meant to say, another absolzute shocker for VAR in the City game. City defender clears the ball and Ederson comes sliding in and cleans the Newcastle forward, it was what's his name the ex Bournemouth winger. He takes him clean out. VAR looks at it and says "the ball has been cleared, no pen." ANYWHERE else on the pitch and the ref gives that as a free 100% of the time. It's horrendously blatant.
Add that to James Madison's dive, also against Newcastsle last week, that VAR didn't spot SOMEHOW, and VAR is having a stinker ATM. And Newcastle are being shafted by it. Albeit it wouldn't have affected the result against City but it was the opening goal against Leicester.
We seem to be sliding back to last season's utterly useless version of VAR. Hopefully it's just a few poor decisions, but either way they REALLY REALLY need to sort it out. If you look at a dozen replays and can't see Madison dive, the clue is the complete lack of contact, there is 2 feet between the players, or see Ederson clean yer man…..then you should be nowhere near a PL game. I hate the old boys network, but there is something to be said for having an ex pro work VAR. Or sit along side a ref and splat sense into him. At least they know what should and shouldn't be given and don't go off on some obscure interpretation of a rule no one knows just so they can look big/ruin a game. Or talk about 'second phase of play'
Add that to James Madison's dive, also against Newcastsle last week, that VAR didn't spot SOMEHOW, and VAR is having a stinker ATM. And Newcastle are being shafted by it. Albeit it wouldn't have affected the result against City but it was the opening goal against Leicester.
We seem to be sliding back to last season's utterly useless version of VAR. Hopefully it's just a few poor decisions, but either way they REALLY REALLY need to sort it out. If you look at a dozen replays and can't see Madison dive, the clue is the complete lack of contact, there is 2 feet between the players, or see Ederson clean yer man…..then you should be nowhere near a PL game. I hate the old boys network, but there is something to be said for having an ex pro work VAR. Or sit along side a ref and splat sense into him. At least they know what should and shouldn't be given and don't go off on some obscure interpretation of a rule no one knows just so they can look big/ruin a game. Or talk about 'second phase of play'
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Spurs thrown out of the Europa fizzy cup for "forfeiting" their game against Rennes, In UEFA's eyes. It was always gonna happen. On the one hand it's one less game for Spurs to have to fit in, but it was also their best chance of winning something. Okay, it's the shittiest of **** trophies but, without meaning to antagonise Spurs fans, they haven't exactly won much in the last few years.
So many awful decisions recently. How was Coufal a red and a pen vs Arsenal? Then pretty much the same thing happened for Liverpool vs Newcastle and it was simply 'play on'. Injured opposition players on the floor playing Jota onside, so he could score. If that's down the other end, no way in a million years that gets allowed. All the big teams seemed to win a load of penalties last week, yet the same sort of incidents down the other end all went unpunished. It's really clouding the game at the mo- never a level playing field. It's clear who the Premier League would like to keep in their top 6. Who was it who said 'The Premier League needs a successful Man Utd' a few years back? Sums the situation up really well. Haven't seen the Kane one, but he generally gets away with everything. Xhaka should've gone for Arsenal against Leeds, but don't think he even got a yellow for his deliberate stamp. Laughing and joking about it as well.
Total farce with the COVID cancellations as well. The footballing authorities need to get a grip very quickly. There need to be strict rules on numbers etc. I reckon if you can field a team with 4-5 subs (inc a goalie), you should have to play. Surely that's what a squad is for?
Total farce with the COVID cancellations as well. The footballing authorities need to get a grip very quickly. There need to be strict rules on numbers etc. I reckon if you can field a team with 4-5 subs (inc a goalie), you should have to play. Surely that's what a squad is for?
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Completely agree with all above, the Kane tackle could have easily ended with a broken leg, shocking really.
I forgot to mention the coufal one at the time. Utter shocker, that was NEVER a red. The pen was harsh, the red was an utter kick in the nuts.
I agree on Xhaka's stamp, I've just seen it. WTF is VAR doing if it doesn't pick up on that and tell the ref to send him off? I can see how the ref missed it, but VAR has no excuse.
As for the Pool/Jota one with a man down, I half agree. Not the attacking side's job to out the ball out, but good sportsmanship would dictate you do more often than not. But then he was 'injured' by his own player…..
Eddie Howe gurning about how it was a head injury and he was dazed for 3-4 minutes afterwards. Eeehhh Eddie, YOU LEFT HIM ON THE PITCH! If he was dazed and confused and you were that worried, why the **** did you leave him on, and why did he play the full 90mins? The PL has concussion protocols now so it's not even as if you would have lost a substitution. Head injuries, when concussed/agreed by another doc, allow a bonus free sub.
The fact yer man got up and was running about quite freely 5 seconds after the ball goes in the net tell you how badly injured he was.
Looks like PL sides have ageed 13 fit players plus a keeper means a game gets played. This could be fun.
Cue the title, CL or relegation being decided by a game played some side's under 11's and a handful of first teamers getting thumped when they fulfilled a game.
I agree on Xhaka's stamp, I've just seen it. WTF is VAR doing if it doesn't pick up on that and tell the ref to send him off? I can see how the ref missed it, but VAR has no excuse.
As for the Pool/Jota one with a man down, I half agree. Not the attacking side's job to out the ball out, but good sportsmanship would dictate you do more often than not. But then he was 'injured' by his own player…..
Eddie Howe gurning about how it was a head injury and he was dazed for 3-4 minutes afterwards. Eeehhh Eddie, YOU LEFT HIM ON THE PITCH! If he was dazed and confused and you were that worried, why the **** did you leave him on, and why did he play the full 90mins? The PL has concussion protocols now so it's not even as if you would have lost a substitution. Head injuries, when concussed/agreed by another doc, allow a bonus free sub.
The fact yer man got up and was running about quite freely 5 seconds after the ball goes in the net tell you how badly injured he was.
Looks like PL sides have ageed 13 fit players plus a keeper means a game gets played. This could be fun.
Cue the title, CL or relegation being decided by a game played some side's under 11's and a handful of first teamers getting thumped when they fulfilled a game.
Poor Wilfred Zaha. He has sooo hard done by. The first was never a foul and the second was barely a wrestling throw to the ground at all. Maybe a yellow on a bad day, but definitely not worth a second yellow. I mean, if either of those tackles were done on him, he would barely have reacted. He definitely wouldn't still be rolling around the ground squealing like a little girl.
The first was a foul, a soft one, and an arguable yellow. But given his history of diving and play acting I have no sympathy for him, as you might have noticed. The second was a yellow card all day long and utter madness given he had already been booked. The thing is, neither tackle needed to be made, both were pointless fouls. What the feck he was thinking I'll never know.
The first was a foul, a soft one, and an arguable yellow. But given his history of diving and play acting I have no sympathy for him, as you might have noticed. The second was a yellow card all day long and utter madness given he had already been booked. The thing is, neither tackle needed to be made, both were pointless fouls. What the feck he was thinking I'll never know.
Yep it was a great game and even I felt slightly sorry for Arsenal, but the red card was as ridiculous as Zaha's against Spurs, you just cannot do that and he cost you the game. There were a few poor penalty decisions today I thought.
Summed up well. Albeit I didn't enjoy it as much ad you neutrals. I'm really disappointed in James Milner for conceding the foul for the first goal. There is no need to foul him, stay on your feet and the ball goes out for a goal kick. He's 36 years old and is normally a very switched on player. That one daft foul, he even had a nibble before he cleaned him, is what Chelsea scored from to get back into the game. And it was some dig too.
If you are 2-0 up away from home against a title rival you REALLY can't afford to blow that lead in 3 minutes right before half time. That's the second time this season Pool have let a two goal lead slip and ended up drawing (Brighton was the other one) those four points and the game in hand suddenly mean there is something approximating a title race. Without them, it's City's to try and lose.
That's also the second time Pool have had Chelsea where they want them and not won. Against someone like City you can not afford to drop points like that.
Pool were SOOOOO easy to play through for chunks of that second half. That's not a good thing, nor is it unique to yesterday.
On another note, Pool now have 11 players unavailable, Alison, Matip, Firmino (Covid), Salah, Mane, Keita (AFCON), Thiago, Minamino, Origi, Phillips, and Elliott all injured. From their 25 man squad that leaves 14 players plus kids. If Pool were Newcastle or certain other PL sides they would be asking for a postponement. I think Chelsea are/were similarly affected.
How City have escaped with minimal covid and injuries is beyond me, they must be due an outbreak. That's the only hope for anything approximating a title race. Even then, with their squad, and finances…….
Agreed. Yours looked a pen, apparently MOTD felt he got the ball first. Not on any of the dozen replays I have seen. He gets the man, and none of the ball, how that isn't a pen I dunno.
I do think City's was a pen, albeit ONLY cos Xhaka grabs his shirt. Silva is half way down, and diving, BUT xhaka grabs his shirt as clear as day. As soon as he does that it's a pen.
The inconsistencies in VAR is what pisses me off. The technology is working as it was designed too. It's the morons who are working it. The standard of refereeing in the PL, and thus the VAR standard is appallingly low relative to the standard of football and the clubs really should be kicking up a fuss about it. Some of the clearly obvious errors that go corrected are going to end up costing a team relegation or a CL spot and those are losses of revenue of tens of millions. From a mistake that was clear as day to all and sundry, by the VAR person. There is a lot to be said for taking VAR away from refs and letting Stevie Wonder and Donald Trump work it. They couldn't do much worse.
Ohhh and as @edd_jedi said, the red card was daft and cost you the game.
Well you got your wish, the game against Arsenal is off tomorrow.
Lol.Given the other year they held the League Coca-Carabao-Carling Jug in such low regard that they put out the under 12s I think they should have been made to do the same again
I would have no objection to that, you all know how highly I rate the worthless cup.
The issue is the precedent for calling games off cos a side has a COVID outbreak was set when the first PL/EFL games were called off. Personally, I would have been all for "man the **** up and play whoever you have." Albeit that would have suited City even more as Covid seems to be allergic to Man City. But, once you allowed half a dozen PL sides to call games off (Leeds, Leicester, Newcastle, Burnley(?), Spurs(?), Brighton, Norwich) you've set a precedent. Granted, tiz a different competition, but I doubt the sponsors want to see Liverpool field an U11's side in the semi final. The rules even state that from the 4th round onwards the rules for postponements change. Thus avoiding a situation like Orient had where they had to concede to Spurs (who they clearly would have beaten ;-)).
Even at that from what I hear Pool have 5 keepers out with COVID, and the keeping coaches. So, ehhh Milner in nets? He plays everywhere else, so he must be able to do keeper as well.
Agreed, though probably not for Newcastle as you would assume he has a relegation release clause (he hardly wants to go from winning La Liga and playing in CL to the championship in a year). So he'll walk for free in June when they go down.
Sounds like Spurs tried their best to lose.
Leicester played yesterday but don't have enough players to play Everton on Tuesday night. Hhhmmm.
It is a different competition, and thus different rules. The FA basically told clubs to play or forfeit and Leicester had a bench full of kids, who aren't registered in their PL squad. BUT….it looks ******* daft if a team can play on sat but with no new injuries/covid cases (that I am aware of) then can postpone a game three days later.
Precedent had long been set, and neither side has Europe to worry about (the Europa fizzy cup doesn't count and Leicester clearly don't care about European football), but it is farcical that teams can cancel in one domestic competition but not in another.
The question of clubs, Newcastle in the example I am thinking of, gaming the system by postponing games now in the hope they have a better team, ie sign a tonne of new players, by the time the rearranged game comes round, does have a whiff of plausibility.
It looks like 3 from 4 to go down, all four of whom are woeful. But if I was Burnley or Norwich, neither of whom will be splashing the cash, I would be pissed off about games getting postponed for Newcastle/Watford or even the likes of Leeds/Everton.
Leicester played yesterday but don't have enough players to play Everton on Tuesday night. Hhhmmm.
It is a different competition, and thus different rules. The FA basically told clubs to play or forfeit and Leicester had a bench full of kids, who aren't registered in their PL squad. BUT….it looks ******* daft if a team can play on sat but with no new injuries/covid cases (that I am aware of) then can postpone a game three days later.
Precedent had long been set, and neither side has Europe to worry about (the Europa fizzy cup doesn't count and Leicester clearly don't care about European football), but it is farcical that teams can cancel in one domestic competition but not in another.
The question of clubs, Newcastle in the example I am thinking of, gaming the system by postponing games now in the hope they have a better team, ie sign a tonne of new players, by the time the rearranged game comes round, does have a whiff of plausibility.
It looks like 3 from 4 to go down, all four of whom are woeful. But if I was Burnley or Norwich, neither of whom will be splashing the cash, I would be pissed off about games getting postponed for Newcastle/Watford or even the likes of Leeds/Everton.
I'm saying nowt given our state at the moment, probably get done by Villa tonight!
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Waiting to see how Thursday and Sunday go before poking my head above the parapet
Yes I know the feeling, has anyone else noticed how cup draws almost always seem to land near the corresponding league fixture? We've got to play bloody Chelsea three times in a fortnight!
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Could easily have been 3 back to back NLDs.
