I missed the game, but that is a great result for WH. I had last season chalked up to a fluke. I wonder was I wrong, or is it just a good early season result?
The imaginatively titled Premier League 21/22 Thread
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I guess you can only read so much into a result against 10 men, but I watched the game and West Ham looked decent.
Kane staying at Spurs. It's obviously good news for us, but I'm not convinced by his words. If you are committed to a club, you don't say you're "staying this summer." So he's off to City in the winter transfer window? Not the most reassuring statement Harry. I think it would also be good for him to explain exactly what has been going on for the last few months.
Kane has announced he is staying.
Ie. City refused to be raped by Levy and thus Kane had no choice. I wonder will the Spurs fans overlook it, or are they resigned to the fact he wanted to go (and probably will at some point) but are happy he hasn't (yet).
Ie. City refused to be raped by Levy and thus Kane had no choice. I wonder will the Spurs fans overlook it, or are they resigned to the fact he wanted to go (and probably will at some point) but are happy he hasn't (yet).
Yes as I've said previously I'm less than impressed by how it's been handled, I would prefer he just publicly said what he wants to do. Although a lot of that is probably down to his incompetent agent (his brother) and PR team.
And on Levy sticking to his guns, I think we all agree footballers transfer fees/wages are ridiculous, but Kane has got to be as valuable as other players selling for similar fees, so I don't think Levy is being particuarly unreasonable for wanting top money for one of the world's best strikers at his prime mid contract, who would let him go for nothing?!
And on Levy sticking to his guns, I think we all agree footballers transfer fees/wages are ridiculous, but Kane has got to be as valuable as other players selling for similar fees, so I don't think Levy is being particuarly unreasonable for wanting top money for one of the world's best strikers at his prime mid contract, who would let him go for nothing?!
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I don't blame Kane for wanting to leave, he's a top player and he want's to win something, same as Pogba at Man United. Bruno will be looking to leave after this season if nothing changes. You don't see the best Chefs working in average restaurants.
I agree, I don't blame Levy, assuming he wants approx 150m and not something daft like 200m. Kane is 28, so at his peak, has dodgy ankles and a lot of miles on the clock (similar to Rooney, I can't see him being a top level/top 4 striker aged 33), but he is still one of the best PL strikers there are. Arguable him and Salah are the best two, looking at it based on the last 3/4 years.
Levy's only concern is what is best for Spurs. I wouldn't expect a chairman to do anything else.
Kane has tried to get a move without burning his bridges with the fans. You can't force a move AND keep the fans on side, although he has tried his best. It will just look a bit daft when he scores and kisses the badge in a few games, or spouts off about how he loved Spurs and he was never going to leave. We all know the truth. I don't, necessarily, want to see the Spurs fans hammer him, but I hope they don't just act as if nothing even happened. I know trying to force a move is par for the course in football, but that doesn't mean fans should just ignore it.
Worthless Cup draw has been made. Man U home to WH looks tasty. Liverpool get their obligatory other PL side with an away trip to Norwich. Chelsea get Villa at the Bridge. Spurs are away to Wolves, which is another tricky one. Arsenal and Leicester will have too much for AFC Wimbledon and Millwall. And would you beleive it, City get a home draw against one of the weakest sides left in the competition. What are the odds?
I'm sick of pointing out how many ****ing cushy draws they get, it got ridiculous 2 years ago FFS
Levy's only concern is what is best for Spurs. I wouldn't expect a chairman to do anything else.
Kane has tried to get a move without burning his bridges with the fans. You can't force a move AND keep the fans on side, although he has tried his best. It will just look a bit daft when he scores and kisses the badge in a few games, or spouts off about how he loved Spurs and he was never going to leave. We all know the truth. I don't, necessarily, want to see the Spurs fans hammer him, but I hope they don't just act as if nothing even happened. I know trying to force a move is par for the course in football, but that doesn't mean fans should just ignore it.
Worthless Cup draw has been made. Man U home to WH looks tasty. Liverpool get their obligatory other PL side with an away trip to Norwich. Chelsea get Villa at the Bridge. Spurs are away to Wolves, which is another tricky one. Arsenal and Leicester will have too much for AFC Wimbledon and Millwall. And would you beleive it, City get a home draw against one of the weakest sides left in the competition. What are the odds?
I'm sick of pointing out how many ****ing cushy draws they get, it got ridiculous 2 years ago FFS
Yeah, they certainly seem to get the easier fixtures- always used to be Arsenal.
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Happy with the CL draw, surely Man Utd will dodge the Europa League this season. lol Ronaldo to Man City by the looks of things, brilliant!
Is it too soon to claim I got my "Any other predictions" prediction right? City get the obligatory cushy domestic draw and tough CL group.
Liverpool's is arguably tougher. Chelsea are in a straight fight with Juve for top spot. I can't see either of them failing to get through. Utd's is the easiest on paper, but I could see the top 3 finishing in any order. Utd SHOULD walk it, but….
Ronaldo to City makes no sense to me. He doesn't fit their style of play at all. Plus he wants 500kpw. Plus he's 36. It will be funny to see all the Utd fanboys crying if he does sign, but I really cant face a season of his "look at me, look at me, aren't I amazing" goal celebration. Especially when he wheels it out after scoring the 6th goal in a 7-0 demolition of some shite at the Etihad. Fine, if it's a CL winner or a crucial goal, but when he does it EVERY SINGLE ****ING TIME.
Cleary, it's asking too much for a PL season free from him AND Jose.
Liverpool's is arguably tougher. Chelsea are in a straight fight with Juve for top spot. I can't see either of them failing to get through. Utd's is the easiest on paper, but I could see the top 3 finishing in any order. Utd SHOULD walk it, but….
Ronaldo to City makes no sense to me. He doesn't fit their style of play at all. Plus he wants 500kpw. Plus he's 36. It will be funny to see all the Utd fanboys crying if he does sign, but I really cant face a season of his "look at me, look at me, aren't I amazing" goal celebration. Especially when he wheels it out after scoring the 6th goal in a 7-0 demolition of some shite at the Etihad. Fine, if it's a CL winner or a crucial goal, but when he does it EVERY SINGLE ****ING TIME.
Cleary, it's asking too much for a PL season free from him AND Jose.
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A lot of Utd fans are already crying about Ronaldo, really doesn't bother me that much, I blame the Glaziers as much as Ronaldo. United should have got him from Madrid but refused him. The other thing is as much as an amazing player he was for his last 3 seasons at Utd, I never felt his heart was with Man Utd and it was very much Man Utd being a stepping stone for him. We could do with a striker now so again the Glaziers won't dig deep and pay up, complete bollocks from them.
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Well I for one am a happy boy today, say what you will, 29 league goals last season.
a legend at Utd, he will lift the whole team and players like Sancho, Greenwood, players also coming through the youth squad, seasoned players at Utd will all be buzzing, and will lift their game, an icon in the game that's still doing the business to play alongside, to learn from, the fans will be buzzing OT will be amazing when he steps out on that pitch for his first game I really don't care what is said in all the autopsies, he's too old, bla blah blah, come on what team wouldn't want Ronaldo in there.
belated B day present for me for yesterday
welcome home Ronaldo
game on
a legend at Utd, he will lift the whole team and players like Sancho, Greenwood, players also coming through the youth squad, seasoned players at Utd will all be buzzing, and will lift their game, an icon in the game that's still doing the business to play alongside, to learn from, the fans will be buzzing OT will be amazing when he steps out on that pitch for his first game I really don't care what is said in all the autopsies, he's too old, bla blah blah, come on what team wouldn't want Ronaldo in there.
belated B day present for me for yesterday
welcome home Ronaldo
game on
I don't get that transfer at all.
From his point, bar the 500kpw, why has he joined Utd? He likes trophies, surely he has more chance of them at Juve? Utd won't win the league, and probably won't be good enough to beat at least two of City, Chelsea, Pool, Bayern and PSG, that they will need to beat to win the CL. Juve have a decent shot at winning Serie A. So no sense for him.
Why do Utd want him? He's 36, wants stupid money, this could be Sanchez mark 2, and whilst he is quality, he plays in a position where Utd already have too many players.
Genuinely, they would have been better taking the supposed 20m signing fee, the 10+m they paid his agent, and the 25m they are paying him a year, driving down to Brighton and slapping 40-60m on the table for Yves Bassuma (spelling). He is a quality, young, DCM, who would instantly solve the one glaring weakness in their team (ignoring the fact 1 of McFred have to play along side him while OGS ignores VDB) and make them a much more rounded, and better squad. Instead they have so many attacking players even Kevin Keegan would struggle to get them all in one side.
It strikes me as a signing for the fans. Not one for the team.
Either way, OGS has to win something now. He may get away with finishing a few points off the PL winner or a CL semi defeat but a season like last year, even if we swap a EL final for a CL quarter final defeat, won't be enough. The pressure is on him.
From his point, bar the 500kpw, why has he joined Utd? He likes trophies, surely he has more chance of them at Juve? Utd won't win the league, and probably won't be good enough to beat at least two of City, Chelsea, Pool, Bayern and PSG, that they will need to beat to win the CL. Juve have a decent shot at winning Serie A. So no sense for him.
Why do Utd want him? He's 36, wants stupid money, this could be Sanchez mark 2, and whilst he is quality, he plays in a position where Utd already have too many players.
Genuinely, they would have been better taking the supposed 20m signing fee, the 10+m they paid his agent, and the 25m they are paying him a year, driving down to Brighton and slapping 40-60m on the table for Yves Bassuma (spelling). He is a quality, young, DCM, who would instantly solve the one glaring weakness in their team (ignoring the fact 1 of McFred have to play along side him while OGS ignores VDB) and make them a much more rounded, and better squad. Instead they have so many attacking players even Kevin Keegan would struggle to get them all in one side.
It strikes me as a signing for the fans. Not one for the team.
Either way, OGS has to win something now. He may get away with finishing a few points off the PL winner or a CL semi defeat but a season like last year, even if we swap a EL final for a CL quarter final defeat, won't be enough. The pressure is on him.
Utd won't win the league..conjecture…proof of the pudding
36 but from a fitness perspective has at least 2 years to 3 on other standard players of his age due to his fitness ( look at Ryan Giigs as a reference point)
Sanchez ..Ronaldo..no comparison 2 totally different players, Ronaldo is. Literally head and shoulders above
why do Utd want him ( aside from he money it will generate for the club) 29 goals in the league last season, the lift it will give to the players around him, the cudos of having arguably the worlds best player in your team, the " oh no I have to play against Ronaldo" mindset of players lining up on the pitch against him.
Pogba, Bruno, Sancho, Veranne, Cavani around him.
the legend returns, ethos
yes undoubtably a signing for the fans, but UTD is an iconic leading player in the premiership, so that makes business sense, arguably the best player in the world in your team, what that does for morale and belief, for the squad, what that says to the opponents lining up against you on a Saturday.
so for me a no brainier, if you can get a player of this quality in your squad, with 25 + goals a season, with his effect on the rest of the team, why wouldnt Utd go for him.
proof of the pudding and all that, but I firmly believe aside from all the circus around this signing, it's a sensible decision that will reap rewards, but hey I'll hold my hands up if I'm wrong, let's see how the season unfolds.
36 but from a fitness perspective has at least 2 years to 3 on other standard players of his age due to his fitness ( look at Ryan Giigs as a reference point)
Sanchez ..Ronaldo..no comparison 2 totally different players, Ronaldo is. Literally head and shoulders above
why do Utd want him ( aside from he money it will generate for the club) 29 goals in the league last season, the lift it will give to the players around him, the cudos of having arguably the worlds best player in your team, the " oh no I have to play against Ronaldo" mindset of players lining up on the pitch against him.
Pogba, Bruno, Sancho, Veranne, Cavani around him.
the legend returns, ethos
yes undoubtably a signing for the fans, but UTD is an iconic leading player in the premiership, so that makes business sense, arguably the best player in the world in your team, what that does for morale and belief, for the squad, what that says to the opponents lining up against you on a Saturday.
so for me a no brainier, if you can get a player of this quality in your squad, with 25 + goals a season, with his effect on the rest of the team, why wouldnt Utd go for him.
proof of the pudding and all that, but I firmly believe aside from all the circus around this signing, it's a sensible decision that will reap rewards, but hey I'll hold my hands up if I'm wrong, let's see how the season unfolds.
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Ronaldo won't win Man Utd the league or CL we still need a DCM! But the Glaziers have just banked a money maker, the clubs stock has just gone up by £200 million and the Man Utd web site has crashed! 3 months ago the fans were breaking into Old Trafford demanding Glaziers out, what a turn around from them. One thing it will do is put a rocket through the sqaud, raising standards which the club really needs. TeamViewer are happy and Utd will get top 4. Also Ronaldo will probably do a Giggs and play into his 40's so the age tag is arguable for me.
We have to win against Wolves on Sunday without Ronaldo!
PS Tomorrow were going to sign Kante. lol
We have to win against Wolves on Sunday without Ronaldo!
PS Tomorrow were going to sign Kante. lol
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Michael, look at Utd's two holding midfielders and tell me that is a PL winning combination! neither would get a game at any of the other big four sides. That tells you all you need to know. You have a decent defence, I still don't rate fat Maguire, but still, your keeper situation could be better but isn't "bad" and your attacking options are great. But that midfield will not win a title.
I don't disagree Ronaldo is a supremely fit player. BUT, he is 36 and has been playing in Seria A for 2-3 years. That is a frightfully slow league. Before that he had 10 ish years in La Liga. Which is a great league, at the top, but the sides at the bottom are woefully poor. The PL is a LOT more intense. Just look at how many big name signings join the PL and take a year to adapt. Pep and Jurgen have both spoken of how surprised they were by he competitive nature if the PL, there really are very few easy games. Unlike other European leagues. I can't see Ronaldo playing week in week out. If he does he will be subbed after an hour. While Giggsy played on until he was 67 his last few seasons where mainly sub appearances or coming on with ten to go. I'm not sure Ronaldo's ego would allow that to happen.
Granted there may well be a psychological boost to his team mates of having him onboard. Though Henry and Bale (not the same calibre of player, but equally iconic at their clubs) had limited effects on their clubs when they returned.
As for the Sanchez remark. I meant more the fact that Utd beat City to the signing of Sanchez, broke their wage structure to sign him, same as with CR7. They ended up having to give Pogba and DDG massive pay rises and are still trying to shift some of the deadwood who ended up with salaries three times what any other club could/would pay them. DDG on 330kpw! And Sanchez wasn't exactly a success. I do think Ronaldo will be more use than Sanchez was, but that isn't hard.
Then there is the issue of how/where he fits in Utd's team. He is 36 and isn't able to do box to box any more. One of his main strengths has been his ability convert himself from a world class winger/attacking midfielder who would carry the ball and beat four players, to an equally world class finisher. He will still score goals, but his game is more about being in the right position to tuck away the chance. I'm not sure how that fits with Utd. They seem to play best on the counter, which is where his age will count against him. He will score goals, I have no doubt about that, and his shitty "look at me" celebration will be plastered all over the TV, but I don't see him bagging 20-25 goals this year. MAYBE in all comps, if he gets to take pens. But it's a brave manager who takes pens off Fernandes.
Ohh and you do realise that he will insist on taking EVERY direct free kick Utd get within 20 yards if the other team's box. His record, over the last few years is genuinely appalling. It's something like one goal from 120 efforts, seriously. He'll kill more disabled fans than he will score goals from free kicks.
I don't disagree Ronaldo is a supremely fit player. BUT, he is 36 and has been playing in Seria A for 2-3 years. That is a frightfully slow league. Before that he had 10 ish years in La Liga. Which is a great league, at the top, but the sides at the bottom are woefully poor. The PL is a LOT more intense. Just look at how many big name signings join the PL and take a year to adapt. Pep and Jurgen have both spoken of how surprised they were by he competitive nature if the PL, there really are very few easy games. Unlike other European leagues. I can't see Ronaldo playing week in week out. If he does he will be subbed after an hour. While Giggsy played on until he was 67 his last few seasons where mainly sub appearances or coming on with ten to go. I'm not sure Ronaldo's ego would allow that to happen.
Granted there may well be a psychological boost to his team mates of having him onboard. Though Henry and Bale (not the same calibre of player, but equally iconic at their clubs) had limited effects on their clubs when they returned.
As for the Sanchez remark. I meant more the fact that Utd beat City to the signing of Sanchez, broke their wage structure to sign him, same as with CR7. They ended up having to give Pogba and DDG massive pay rises and are still trying to shift some of the deadwood who ended up with salaries three times what any other club could/would pay them. DDG on 330kpw! And Sanchez wasn't exactly a success. I do think Ronaldo will be more use than Sanchez was, but that isn't hard.
Then there is the issue of how/where he fits in Utd's team. He is 36 and isn't able to do box to box any more. One of his main strengths has been his ability convert himself from a world class winger/attacking midfielder who would carry the ball and beat four players, to an equally world class finisher. He will still score goals, but his game is more about being in the right position to tuck away the chance. I'm not sure how that fits with Utd. They seem to play best on the counter, which is where his age will count against him. He will score goals, I have no doubt about that, and his shitty "look at me" celebration will be plastered all over the TV, but I don't see him bagging 20-25 goals this year. MAYBE in all comps, if he gets to take pens. But it's a brave manager who takes pens off Fernandes.
Ohh and you do realise that he will insist on taking EVERY direct free kick Utd get within 20 yards if the other team's box. His record, over the last few years is genuinely appalling. It's something like one goal from 120 efforts, seriously. He'll kill more disabled fans than he will score goals from free kicks.
Trying to be dispassionate about it, I just can't help but think that spending that money on a new DCM, see my comments about Yves Bassuma, would have been a much more sensible idea. Albeit far less glamorous and less exciting for the fans.
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That's the thing for me if Ronaldo was a DCM it would be the perfect signing! lol The money spent on him will largely be recouped from shirt sales and the other merchandising which is gonna go into over drive. We still may get a DCM, although I would go as far to say to win the league you probably need a different manager as well, saying that Ole deserves a chance at the title IMO. I actually think our holding midfield options are among the worst in the league let alone top 4 qaulity. We only have one and he's finished, Matic is the only specialist holding midfielder at the club and that is shocking. I can see Martial or Cavani going before the window shuts.
I told the Mrs about the Ronaldo saving the world celebration every time he scores, we were both cracked up, so true very funny @weasel lol
I told the Mrs about the Ronaldo saving the world celebration every time he scores, we were both cracked up, so true very funny @weasel lol
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I know exactly how you both feel, I was over the moon when Spurs got Bale back, that didn't go as well as I hoped so only time will tell if Ronaldo can still cut it in the PL. He didn't do a lot at the Euros.
The City result today was hardly a surprise even without the red card, obviously I'm not going to shed any tears over Arsenal being bottom of the table BUT losing against Chelsea and City is hardly a fair assessment, we will only really know how good they are once they've played a few more average teams. Saying that, if he doesn't beat Norwich then I think Arteta will be gone.
And the other red card of the day spoiled the Liverpool Chelsea game, but I think it was the right decision, he clearly tried to block the ball even if only as a reaction. He had to go, even though I always hate seeing the penalty and red card combo, you might as well forefeit the game.
Big day for Spurs tomorrow, beat Watford and we go top! What could possibly go wrong
The City result today was hardly a surprise even without the red card, obviously I'm not going to shed any tears over Arsenal being bottom of the table BUT losing against Chelsea and City is hardly a fair assessment, we will only really know how good they are once they've played a few more average teams. Saying that, if he doesn't beat Norwich then I think Arteta will be gone.
And the other red card of the day spoiled the Liverpool Chelsea game, but I think it was the right decision, he clearly tried to block the ball even if only as a reaction. He had to go, even though I always hate seeing the penalty and red card combo, you might as well forefeit the game.
Big day for Spurs tomorrow, beat Watford and we go top! What could possibly go wrong
