Should live or recently ended eBay auctions be allowed to be outed on SWF

[Mr-shifter]

I don't think it's inconclusive. It just shows that opinion is very polarised.

A rule makes no sense to 50% but absolute sense to the other 50%

Anyway, the people have spoken. I look forward to doing this debate again in six months time.....

 

[Palifan]

Well that's just under half the people on here happy at least. I guess the people who didn't want outing will carry on not doing it whilst the others will ( possibly they'll think twice before doing it though so as not to make a mistake like I did). Let's just hope no one gets upset when their win or potential one gets outed and possibly backdoored.

Ian

 

[itfciain]

I think those for a rule are likely to be more aggrieved than those not - I get the reasons why and there have been some passionate arguments (Joe ) - but like the majority of those who probably voted against a 'rule', I would like to think that a bunch of grown men (and women?) can manage themselves - I have to admit I am sick and tired of Facebook and RS 'rules'

 

[Pomse2001]

I think those for a rule are likely to be more aggrieved than those not - I get the reasons why and there have been some passionate arguments (Joe ) - but like the majority of those who probably voted against a 'rule', I would like to think that a bunch of grown men (and women?) can manage themselves - I have to admit I am sick and tired of Facebook and RS 'rules'

That is why I love the forum, no rules and hate RS, all those stupid rules :lol:

 

[wrighty]

^^^^^ I vote for no rules too. See some of the FB groups you can't do this and can't do that!!

 

[edd_jedi]

I think the logical thing to do here is ban discussing CLOSED auctions, I think we all agree on that for the reasons mentioned (and why Jason was understandably annoyed.) Due to the near 50/50 split on banning discussion of OPEN auctions, I am not going to put any rule in place regarding that. Hope that is a good compromise for everyone.

 

[plantainman]

I think the logical thing to do here is ban discussing CLOSED auctions, I think we all agree on that for the reasons mentioned (and why Jason was understandably annoyed.) Due to the near 50/50 split on banning discussion of OPEN auctions, I am not going to put any rule in place regarding that. Hope that is a good compromise for everyone.

IMO the logical thing to do would be to do nothing.

An open discussion has been had highlighting an issue that some people feel wary about for fear of being backdoored/swindled etc, So anyone that has read this thread, now has a better understanding of the implications that their actions concerning discussing auctions has on potential buyers/sellers.

I can understand trying to balance trading off a collector being backdoored against a collector looking to glean new information is perhaps a fine line, but the cornerstone of forums is open discussion, to ban an aspect of this, when in truth all that is needed is slightly more common sense, is slightly saddening.

 

[theguiltyone]

Due to the near 50/50 split on banning discussion of OPEN auctions, I am not going to put any rule in place regarding that. Hope that is a good compromise for everyone.

Please don't ever go into politics in a democratic country Edd
52 / 48 is practically a landslde victory vote in my book :wink:

I stand by what I wrote some pages back, I appreciate (most of the time) that the auctions that get outed aren't done out of any malice but there are better ways to get informed if you have questions about something, lurk before you launch is all i'm saying y'all.


marc

 

[plantman]

Common sense prevails in all cases, we can make it work without a large set of rules.

 

[Grant]

Rules suck a$$.

 

[Mr-shifter]

How about some guidance advice on a sticky, just highlighting exercising common sense before outing an auction, either during or just shortly after, and the reasons why, implications and all of the other points raised in this thread. It's then not a rule, but there is something they you can steer people to.

 

[Palifan]

I think the logical thing to do here is ban discussing CLOSED auctions, I think we all agree on that for the reasons mentioned (and why Jason was understandably annoyed.) Due to the near 50/50 split on banning discussion of OPEN auctions, I am not going to put any rule in place regarding that. Hope that is a good compromise for everyone.

I can't quite see how banning closed auctions is better than live ones?! Closed ones have already ended ( I'm thinking this is what you mean by closed?), and the reason these normally get put into a thread is due to some interest in getting some knowledge on the item. I fail to see how outing a live auction is ever a good idea unless it's a BIN and it's been bought up quite a few times on here where members have been asked to remove their links.

I agree common sense is the best way forward and giving some time before posting a link to a closed auction is the sensible thing to do, but it really wouldn't be fair to ban closed ones outright and not live ones seeming that the majority of members on here don't seem to want either of these things to happen.

I know it's a close call but there is still a winner here. People seem to be against any sort of rules on this forum, which is probably for the best and hopefully now everyone will have a better idea about listing things in the future.

Ian

 

[Mr-shifter]

It does seem the biggest issue here is that people are more bothered by having any kind of rule then the actual issue being discussed, which does bring a little smile to my face, given that most of the Facebook groups have a selection of rules and are like the jungle, whereas we allegedly have no rules here, and it's a far more civilised place to be.

 

[plantman]

i vote the one rule "common sense" rule just post up a sticky asking people to think about others before posting live and ended auctions.

 

[itfciain]

i vote the one rule "common sense" rule just post up a sticky asking people to think about others before posting live and ended auctions.

That works for me

And to be fair, it isn't just about rules (although some of those FB groups are getting silly now) - it is just about wanting an environment where you don't scare people away - for me, too many rules do that and at a time when we want this forum to flourish then I think that needs to be considered

 

[ScruffyLookingNH]

It does seem the biggest issue here is that people are more bothered by having any kind of rule then the actual issue being discussed, which does bring a little smile to my face, given that most of the Facebook groups have a selection of rules and are like the jungle, whereas we allegedly have no rules here, and it's a far more civilised place to be.

Totally agree. Love this place for lack of rules. We're all grown up-ish here and don't need them. Someone is repeatedly a dick despite being warned/asked not to? Ban them.

To ban closed auction but not live ones is .....odd. So we discuss it while it's live but as soon as it ends the thread gets deleted? That doesn't work.

No ban. No rules. Common sense rules!

Actually, my old school (it was a dead posh one ) had very few rules (about 10 or 12 I recall) but the first rule was "Any breach of common sense will be considered a breach of the school rules". It wasn't trying to be funny.

 

[lee gray]

I think the logical thing to do here is ban discussing CLOSED auctions, I think we all agree on that for the reasons mentioned (and why Jason was understandably annoyed.) Due to the near 50/50 split on banning discussion of OPEN auctions, I am not going to put any rule in place regarding that. Hope that is a good compromise for everyone.

What happens with an outed live auction that then ends and becomes a recently closed auction as the link will still be there for the opportunity to backdoor if a member missed it when it was live.

i vote the one rule "common sense" rule just post up a sticky asking people to think about others before posting live and ended auctions.

That works for me

And to be fair, it isn't just about rules (although some of those FB groups are getting silly now) - it is just about wanting an environment where you don't scare people away - for me, too many rules do that and at a time when we want this forum to flourish then I think that needs to be considered

just yesterday 3 threads i was following got deleted in fb groups, 1 by the person and 2 by admins even though admins were issuing a new rule to stop deleting threads as lots of info is lost and then when you post to disagree they say all further posts on this thread will be deleted lol

 

[weasel]

I can't speak for the other mods but I rarely delete threads. Even bitch fests tend to be locked and left if there is something remotely useful in them. If it's just a solid slaggin match then obviously it goes. Spam threads or double posts i'll delete but that's about it.

I would assume, and it's only an assumption, if a live auction is outted that once it ends the OP can/should remove the link. Assuming it's not a scammer or some retard selling a chewed up Vader for £1,000 etc. odds are after it having been on here for a few days anyone who would be interested in it will have seen it (or seen it on Ebay themselves). Obviously, there are no 100% fool proof options so common sense again kicks in.

If the OP isn't around to remove a link, or you are the winning bidder, or just a bidder, drop one of us Mods a PM and ask us to remove the link. Easily done.

 

[edd_jedi]

I have now added the new rule to the Sales Forum rules:

http://starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=23184&p=314014#p314014

I have also mentioned it in the eBay section intro text on the forum home page too.

 

[Palifan]

It still makes little sense to me to allow links to live auctions and then to have to wait for 7 days to post a thread of something that has ended but might have been picked up by someone on here. I can see how both could be as bad as each other but thems the rules I guess.

Maybe a mention of using some common sense with regards to outing live auctions could be included in the rules section where this is mentioned though?

Ian