Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.

[Captainsolo1978]

Anyone know any of the warehouse employees from Palitoy?

They would be able to shed some light on this.

 

[Lafos]

Lee Gray posted the main AFA population reports over @ facebook ...

 

[skywalker]

I could be round his house in ten minutes if I wanted to. Im not really sure what I would do or say if he answered the door though. I suppose I could take my "Dirty Tonis" round and ask for my money back.

If you did go round and peeked in his kitchen window I would expect it to look like this.. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[plantman]

jesus and thats just graded ones, this would all be suitable as evidence if it were to go to inland revenue

 

[jedisearcher]

the only people that would definitely be after him is the taxman if we produced all the sales recipts, and a lot of collectors would want to give him the opportunity to give them their money back face to face.

Citizens Advice offer a service whereby you lodge your complaint with them (they have experts to advise) before it gets to Trading Standards although you can go to Trading Standards directly. The legislation is bitchin' complicated but surely he's misrepresenting what he's selling in some form or other and it must fall under the Consumer Protection legislation out there.

TS can then get the authorities involved - police, tax etc.

Once the facts are together in a form that we think is quite final, maybe a load of us can put in the same complaint against Toni. The values involved would surely mean the authorities would show some interest.

The good thing is no one would have to organise a solicitor which is obviously expensive and runs the risk of us losing even more cash, but also with the authorities involved they can access information much more efficiently than a collector-led private case against him ever would.

Damages can also be awared if he's breaching some kind of misrepresentation legislation which would be a very positive result.

 

[jedisearcher]

Lee Gray posted the main AFA population reports over @ facebook ...

I demand to see the two AFA 10's!! :lol:

 

[Captainsolo1978]

Is Toni Mola Ram? Or a Thugee with all these slave children ?

 

[plantman]

the only people that would definitely be after him is the taxman if we produced all the sales recipts, and a lot of collectors would want to give him the opportunity to give them their money back face to face.

Citizens Advice offer a service whereby you lodge your complaint with them (they have experts to advise) before it gets to Trading Standards although you can go to Trading Standards directly. The legislation is bitchin' complicated but surely he's misrepresenting what he's selling in some form or other and it must fall under the Consumer Protection legislation out there.

TS can then get the authorities involved - police, tax etc.

Once the facts are together in a form that we think is quite final, maybe a load of us can put in the same complaint against Toni. The values involved would surely mean the authorities would show some interest.

The good thing is no one would have to organise a solicitor which is obviously expensive and runs the risk of us losing even more cash, but also with the authorities involved they can access information much more efficiently than a collector-led private case against him ever would.

Damages can also be awarded if he's breaching some kind of misrepresentation legislation which would be a very positive result.

Yeah they would chase him if a collective of people showed how much he is making, and we could probably get 100+ people who have receipts of transactions and emails.

 

[Captainsolo1978]

I was a solicitor in Scotland before I moved to NZ. I have to sit Bar exams to requalify here. I do have a legal view but don't want to publicly post my take on this.

 

[**Delboy75**]

Maybe where I work is not as thorough but no way would we bin stuff for a little tiny dot, out of register and wrong colours yes, but a teeny ink splash would pass QA every time.
If the customer accepts it or not is a different story, sometimes it comes back sometimes it doesn't.

We print packaging, but on polythene and polyprop, so a lot different, but anything pulled gets sent to QA and can be there for months before it gets sold to a company for recycling, or sold to the customer at a reduced price if its useable for them.
Back in the day I doubt recycling was done, so maybe they just got chucked in a skip or were simply boxed up and never made it out of the factory until this Arthur fella bought the old stock.

Are the Meccano Jawa's questionable or not? i know Arthur was the source for these too.

So what about the palitoy VC Jawa seal? Does this look iffy? is it the same seal as the GM's?

 

[Banton989]

Watching the muppets and looking at the afa population list, now that's multitasking

Adam

 

[Michael Sith]

I was a solicitor in Scotland before I moved to NZ. I have to sit Bar exams to requalify here. I do have a legal view but don't want to publicly post my take on this.

Exams in a Bar :shock: Kushty

 

[Captainsolo1978]

Haha I wish !

 

[Caswellbot]

Maybe where I work is not as thorough but no way would we bin stuff for a little tiny dot, out of register and wrong colours yes, but a teeny ink splash would pass QA every time.
If the customer accepts it or not is a different story, sometimes it comes back sometimes it doesn't.

We print packaging, but on polythene and polyprop, so a lot different, but anything pulled gets sent to QA and can be there for months before it gets sold to a company for recycling, or sold to the customer at a reduced price if its useable for them.
Back in the day I doubt recycling was done, so maybe they just got chucked in a skip or were simply boxed up and never made it out of the factory until this Arthur fella bought the old stock.

Are the Meccano Jawa's questionable or not? i know Arthur was the source for these too.

So what about the palitoy VC Jawa seal? Does this look iffy? is it the same seal as the GM's?

Hey del, no the seal on the palitoy vcj was fine in my eyes and not like the gm cards. It was very similar/ the same as the one I saw in person that was auctioned by vectis earlier in the year. Different seal to the gm cards. It's virtually the same waffle pattern you might see on a kenner 12 back. I believe all palitoy 12 backs were sealed in this way.

Chris

 

[jedisearcher]

Maybe where I work is not as thorough but no way would we bin stuff for a little tiny dot, out of register and wrong colours yes, but a teeny ink splash would pass QA every time.
If the customer accepts it or not is a different story, sometimes it comes back sometimes it doesn't.

We print packaging, but on polythene and polyprop, so a lot different, but anything pulled gets sent to QA and can be there for months before it gets sold to a company for recycling, or sold to the customer at a reduced price if its useable for them.
Back in the day I doubt recycling was done, so maybe they just got chucked in a skip or were simply boxed up and never made it out of the factory until this Arthur fella bought the old stock.

Are the Meccano Jawa's questionable or not? i know Arthur was the source for these too.

So what about the palitoy VC Jawa seal? Does this look iffy? is it the same seal as the GM's?

Hey del, no the seal on the palitoy vcj was fine in my eyes and not like the gm cards. It was very similar/ the same as the one I saw in person that was auctioned by vectis earlier in the year. Different seal to the gm cards. It's virtually the same waffle pattern you might see on a kenner 12 back. I believe all palitoy 12 backs were sealed in this way.

Chris

Is the last of that type of seal on a Palitoy card the 45a? My 45'a all have a waffle-type seal.

 

[**Delboy75**]

Maybe where I work is not as thorough but no way would we bin stuff for a little tiny dot, out of register and wrong colours yes, but a teeny ink splash would pass QA every time.
If the customer accepts it or not is a different story, sometimes it comes back sometimes it doesn't.

We print packaging, but on polythene and polyprop, so a lot different, but anything pulled gets sent to QA and can be there for months before it gets sold to a company for recycling, or sold to the customer at a reduced price if its useable for them.
Back in the day I doubt recycling was done, so maybe they just got chucked in a skip or were simply boxed up and never made it out of the factory until this Arthur fella bought the old stock.

Are the Meccano Jawa's questionable or not? i know Arthur was the source for these too.

So what about the palitoy VC Jawa seal? Does this look iffy? is it the same seal as the GM's?

Hey del, no the seal on the palitoy vcj was fine in my eyes and not like the gm cards. It was very similar/ the same as the one I saw in person that was auctioned by vectis earlier in the year. Different seal to the gm cards. It's virtually the same waffle pattern you might see on a kenner 12 back. I believe all palitoy 12 backs were sealed in this way.

Chris

Thanks Chris, glad they appear genuine.

 

[Vernon]

Is this right angle common?

Cheers,[/quote][/quote]

If you're referring to the way the outer edge of the blister doesn't maintain a straight line, that does look odd. I'd imagine the heat sealing method isn't exacting, and that overexposing plastic of this type might cause the plastic to do some funny things.[/quote]

Hi,

that's not quite what i meant...my poor explanation!
- if you compare the tops of the TFP & Luke bubbles the seal on the Luke roughly follows the black line that boarders the blue backer behind the figure. I got my 4yr old to add arrows to the photo to show the area of concern on the TFP.
As mentioned before these are 03 bubbles/Palitoy 45B cards. Anyone else see this on their cards?

 

[Caswellbot]

No worries Del. Just as a point of interest and to correct me previous post slightly, I believe there are a few "slick seal" Palitoy 12 backs out there although they are not commonly found. If my memory serves me correctly, Tigerham had one a few years back.

Either way it holds little bearing over the Palitoy VCJ's in question. They still looked legit to me. Waffle pattern akin to a kenner example and no evidence of tampering or signs that were of concern to me. I believe Jason Mr Palitoy would have also looked at the VCJ that Jason Joiner had so perhaps he can confirm. Palitoy is obviously more his area than mine.

 

[Vernon]

Is this right angle common?

Cheers,

[/quote]

I just checked a few of mine, and they do tend to fall into two types. The key is a waffle sealed ROTJ Kenner AT-ST driver also has a right angled seal, although the gap is larger than these

Although is your angles on only one side? If so that is odd[/quote]

Thanks for checking & some of my Kenner ones do have the right angle...but if possible I would like to compare with other Palitoys.
I guess all 03's would come from the same Palitoy factory press so would leave the same 'footprint'
(The right angle is on both corners)

Someone with more knowledge may be able to correct me on this?

 

[livewire]

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