Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.

[Caswellbot]

That's mad oli. If that is the case and he has now privatised his listings then I think my mind is pretty much made up on this matter.

 

[olisuds]

Same here mate.

Would love to get hold of some close up pics of the MOCs he has sold in the last 30 days to ID against the close up pictures of the figures he bought. Then we can get some closure on this debate.

JJs list would clear up which stock is effected. But i don't think we're going to hear back on that or hear from Toni again.

 

[lee gray]

unfortunately thats an old pic, cant recall seeing a dent on card, heres one that i had graded, you can see how the bubble looks glued on especially noticeble on the top

 

[olisuds]

Anything in last 30 days? Interested in pics of figure rather than card or bubble!

 

[escapist]

Cheers Joe for PM'ing me. Unfortunately its been made private and I can't see anything purchased or whether any feedback was left

I did find one bit of negative feedback he left last year for a Tie Fighter Pilot loose figure....

"nightmare- c8 figure listed as mint off card then forced by ebay to refund"

That is a nightmare..... if you wanted to stick it back on the card..... Jokes....

 

[olisuds]

Try Goofbay mate!

 

[escapist]

Try Goofbay mate!

had a go and spotted one figure he actually bought (a U Grade Stormie) but aside from that, can only see figures he bid on but didn't appear to win. All minty U grades or listed as C10/9.5.....

 

[lee gray]

I have always thought toni undergrades his figures, his carded c8.5 figures usually get 90 grades from AFA while other sellers who sell their stuff at c9.5 usually are only worthy of 85 grades

 

[olisuds]

Try Goofbay mate!

had a go and spotted one figure he actually bought (a U Grade Stormie) but aside from that, can only see figures he bid on but didn't appear to win. All minty U grades or listed as C10/9.5.....

They're all BINs so if he bid he won.

 

[spoons]

I got a reply from Jabba the Nutt regarding my Bossk - a non collector previously owned it, and there is no direct Toni link

I think I've made up my mind on this thing. The way I see it Toni bought a load of unused cardbacks and bubbles back in the day, but also bought genuine factory sealed cards.

I guess that once the bulk of the genuine cards were sold he started his own production run, these days kept up by a good supply of U grade figs.

It seems likely that any cards with clear seals and odd indents on the bubbles are Toni's work, but there is no proof and unless someone starts legal proceedings there is unlikely to be any.

I've no idea how to tell if anything other than ESB 45 backs are legit - but if your ESB pal or GM card has an 03 bubble and a waffle seal it should be good

I'm now done and I'm off to sell my Stormtrooper to Joe Y

 

[ace]

i look forward to seeing some of you tomorrow at Dave Trees even.

jason

 

[BruceW]

Edd, I think most are agreed on this but clearly there are non-Toni mint cards out there, and not so mint ones. I'm just trying to work out a way to spot the differences.


So far a GM 45 back with an 02 or 03 Kenner bubble is looking good, there don't appear to be any (unless someone is about to say different?) originating form Toni, and shop stock with these bubbles exists - not so the dimpled bubbles (as yet)

I've just been checking through my records and I'd hazard a guess that a shop bought TIE pilot is as rare as hens teeth, but it doesn't mean that there aren't good ones out there.

45bs and the last five sold on ebay that I picked up in searches are all AFA/UKG 85 or 90 - that does ring alarm bells

12/02/2012 TIE fighter pilot AFA85
10/03/2012 TIE fighter pilot AFA85
12/07/2012 TIE fighter pilot AFA85
30/09/2012 TIE fighter pilot AFA90
07/12/2013 TIE fighter pilot UKG90

Okay, serious question:
What is an "02 or 03 Kenner bubble"?

I've tried to look back through the last 10 pages but am not quite sure what that means.

 

[escapist]

Someone on the RS thread linked this old thread from 10 years ago: http://forum.rebelscum.com/t809045/

From June 2003:

i also have bought from Toni ,his stuff is soo good youd think he makes it at home !!!!!!

simply the best there is....

Dean.

No words. :lol:

 

[lee gray]

Whether the allegations are true or false, I cant really defend someone who wont even defend themself.

 

[jimbody1]

I'm starting to feel the same way mate, the fact that people are prepared to crucify someone on the hearsay especially from someone with such dubious background does not give me any hope for the future of the hobby. While this won't put me off collecting it does put me off being part of this community.

 

[spoons]

Okay, serious question:
What is an "02 or 03 Kenner bubble"?

I've tried to look back through the last 10 pages but am not quite sure what that means.

Hi Bruce on some bubbles there is a number on the bottom right corner. I'm aware of 02 and 03 but presumably there are others. The bubbles are single stemmed.

 

[spoons]

Someone on the RS thread linked this old thread from 10 years ago: http://forum.rebelscum.com/t809045/

From June 2003:

i also have bought from Toni ,his stuff is soo good youd think he makes it at home !!!!!!

simply the best there is....

Dean.

No words. :lol:

:lol:

 

[Lafos]

I'm starting to feel the same way mate, the fact that people are prepared to crucify someone on the hearsay especially from someone with such dubious background does not give me any hope for the future of the hobby. While this won't put me off collecting it does put me off being part of this community.

How should the community have reacted from your point of view ? We have carried together a lot of facts, resulting in the current important discussion.

 

[palitoyjunky]

Someone on the RS thread linked this old thread from 10 years ago: http://forum.rebelscum.com/t809045/

From June 2003:

i also have bought from Toni ,his stuff is soo good youd think he makes it at home !!!!!!

simply the best there is....

Dean.

No words. :lol:

:lol:

Rather amusing :lol:

 

[M4K3R1]

Okay, serious question:
What is an "02 or 03 Kenner bubble"?

I've tried to look back through the last 10 pages but am not quite sure what that means.

Hi Bruce on some bubbles there is a number on the bottom right corner. I'm aware of 02 and 03 but presumably there are others. The bubbles are single stemmed.

Does an 03 bubble on a US card make a difference or help in any way.
I am 99% sure one of my US ESB Moc has it.