Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.

[mr_palitoy]

I have a new tactic...

Jason

:lol:

Is this where everyone's off tonight?

Yep, this will be my last post on this thread sober for a few days!



Jason

 

[Anonymous]

I won't be buying any

 

[mr_palitoy]

I won't be buying any

What, nice cold pints?



Jason

 

[spoons]

Anyone here whitegloves22 on eBay?

There's a Palitoy 45 fire sale going on - a sign of things to come.

Haha, that made me laugh but I don't think it's related Andy. That seller has been trying to move his collection for months now, before any of this came to light.

I did think they were priced high (hope Joe Y doesn't read this)

 

[Grant_C]

I won't be buying any

Palitoy/GM MOCs?

 

[David Tree]

I did a simple experiment to see if i could seal part of a blister to a german cardback using materials that were available in the early 90's and this is the result

I've discussed the details of the experiment and how to use it to seal full blisters with Joe_o and i think it's safe to say for now myth plausible .

Glad you posted this Batman and yes I do believe that your test was conclusive proof that you can seal bubbles to cards with minimal effort.

If it's not clear to those looking a the pictures, the side of that original bubble was sealed by Batman to the blue area behind the figure and then the rest of the bubble was cut away so you can see how just well the plastic had attached to the card.

In my opinion if you had original bubbles and cards, sealing them together would be pretty easy. I can assure you guys that Batman's test was not carried out using thousands of pounds worth of tooling and machinery either..

heh, I did say how you do it back on page 51, but no-one responded to it, it's ok folk, I'm used to it, I'll just go off now and cry to myself

Here's what I put:

"With Farthest From and work going on, trying to pull info together has been difficult, however I can say where a lot of folk keep referencing machinery needed to heat seal, it's not difficult. Essentially it can be done with a standard heat press. Each press base is removable and has a padded plate depending on what what you pressing on to (t-shirts etc). Create a modified plate with a cavity for the card to sit within and a further recess for the bubble. Bubble in first, card on top, pull down the iron (heat comes from behind) and press down. You experiment with time and temperature to get it right, too short bubble falls off, too long bubble turns to glue or singe the card. Lift up iron, take out card and the room temperature is enough to cool it instantly, just like vinyl plastic on cotton fabric."

Dave

 

[Richard_H]

I also thought the process should be simple but a couple of customisers were adamant it was difficult so I wondered if they knew something that I didn't.

 

[Joe]

heh, I did say how you do it back on page 51, but no-one responded to it, it's ok folk, I'm used to it, I'll just go off now and cry to myself

Here's what I put:

"With Farthest From and work going on, trying to pull info together has been difficult, however I can say where a lot of folk keep referencing machinery needed to heat seal, it's not difficult. Essentially it can be done with a standard heat press. Each press base is removable and has a padded plate depending on what what you pressing on to (t-shirts etc). Create a modified plate with a cavity for the card to sit within and a further recess for the bubble. Bubble in first, card on top, pull down the iron (heat comes from behind) and press down. You experiment with time and temperature to get it right, too short bubble falls off, too long bubble turns to glue or singe the card. Lift up iron, take out card and the room temperature is enough to cool it instantly, just like vinyl plastic on cotton fabric."

Dave

Lol! Next time use pictures Dave! Well, with Batman's test pictures and Dave's write up there shouldn't be any shadow of a doubt that it's a simple thing to do at home with pretty basic machinery.

What's next on the list of things we need to debunk? :lol:

 

[Richard_H]

Is Elvis still alive?

 

[David Tree]

heh, I did say how you do it back on page 51, but no-one responded to it, it's ok folk, I'm used to it, I'll just go off now and cry to myself

Here's what I put:

"With Farthest From and work going on, trying to pull info together has been difficult, however I can say where a lot of folk keep referencing machinery needed to heat seal, it's not difficult. Essentially it can be done with a standard heat press. Each press base is removable and has a padded plate depending on what what you pressing on to (t-shirts etc). Create a modified plate with a cavity for the card to sit within and a further recess for the bubble. Bubble in first, card on top, pull down the iron (heat comes from behind) and press down. You experiment with time and temperature to get it right, too short bubble falls off, too long bubble turns to glue or singe the card. Lift up iron, take out card and the room temperature is enough to cool it instantly, just like vinyl plastic on cotton fabric."

Dave

Lol! Next time use pictures Dave! Well, with Batman's test pictures and Dave's write up there shouldn't be any shadow of a doubt that it's a simple thing to do at home with pretty basic machinery.

What's next on the list of things we need to debunk? :lol:

also in case anyone wonders, the point of a waffle pattern, which is within the plate, is to help push the bubble to the card when pressed and aids grip the card once cooled as.
A bubble lift on a waffle pattern can be contained within that area of lift, without the whole thing coming off as there are breaks within the seal. If the application of the bubble is flat and lifts, the whole thing will come off, much like how the current Star Wars 3 3/4" Black Series bubbles fall off, as there is no waffle in the plate used when sealing this things.

Hope that helps?

 

[PIGCITY]

I spoke with my printer again the other day who said he has a ton of old chromalin stock from the 70s and could knock out proofs and separations of old cards and box artwork...just saying if printers can fake banknotes etc vintage SW flat cardstock products is childs play IMO. Nothing is sacred

 

[Lafos]

I did a simple experiment to see if i could seal part of a blister to a german cardback using materials that were available in the early 90's and this is the result

I've discussed the details of the experiment and how to use it to seal full blisters with Joe_o and i think it's safe to say for now myth plausible .

I' d like to get more details about the process of sealing you used, but can understand you don't want to publicly reveal this.

 

[David Tree]

I did a simple experiment to see if i could seal part of a blister to a german cardback using materials that were available in the early 90's and this is the result

I've discussed the details of the experiment and how to use it to seal full blisters with Joe_o and i think it's safe to say for now myth plausible .

I' d like to get more details about the process of sealing you used, but can understand you don't want to publicly reveal this.

further proof no-one reads my posts :lol:

 

[Richard_H]

We're just in shock that your posts are within 3 months of the topic. When we've recovered you'll get responses.

 

[David Tree]

We're just in shock that your posts are within 3 months of the topic. When we've recovered you'll get responses.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

this may look like I'm laughing, but really I'm crying and dying inside

 

[mr_palitoy]

Nice work on the resealing process everyone. Now only if someone has loads of unused cardbacks and bubbles, and a way of acquiring mint figures via some kind of online auction house.

Stay on target!

Almost there!



Jason

 

[Joe]

I did a simple experiment to see if i could seal part of a blister to a german cardback using materials that were available in the early 90's and this is the result

I've discussed the details of the experiment and how to use it to seal full blisters with Joe_o and i think it's safe to say for now myth plausible .

I' d like to get more details about the process of sealing you used, but can understand you don't want to publicly reveal this.

further proof no-one reads my posts :lol:

Maybe if you used something like this as an avatar people might take you a bit more seriously Dave.

 

[Caswellbot]

Ha ha quality Joe. Love it! :lol:

 

[Grant_C]

:lol: quality.

 

[DarthStanley]

I have 2 carded 2-1bs from Tony in that time period via website/email.

cheers Jason

I have 2 ROTJ Palitoy Lobot 45c MOCs which I bought from Toni last year through his website,one with a single stem bubble & the other has a double stem bubble!

 

[DarthStanley]

Lol! Next time use pictures Dave! Well, with Batman's test pictures and Dave's write up there shouldn't be any shadow of a doubt that it's a simple thing to do at home with pretty basic machinery.

What's next on the list of things we need to debunk? :lol:

Was JoeY really Pegasus Kid!!! :lol:

 

[Caswellbot]

I believe so. Weird huh? What's that all about?

 

[David Tree]

Maybe if you used something like this as an avatar people might take you a bit more seriously Dave.

the horror!!!

hey I'm not worthy of the two tone colours

 

[Lafos]

I did a simple experiment to see if i could seal part of a blister to a german cardback using materials that were available in the early 90's and this is the result

I've discussed the details of the experiment and how to use it to seal full blisters with Joe_o and i think it's safe to say for now myth plausible .

I' d like to get more details about the process of sealing you used, but can understand you don't want to publicly reveal this.

further proof no-one reads my posts :lol:

David, I knew your post, but would like to know how Batman did it. :wink:

 

[Joe]

David, I knew your post, but would like to know how Batman did it. :wink:

In all honesty Dave's explanation is all you really need Lafos, the method Batman used was rather similar.

 

[spoons]

I think Lafos is joking Joe :lol:

On another matter, I'm trying to trace the origins of my suspect cards - does anyone know Steven Beale/Freeballer. I bought my stormy off him as birthday treat in 2011 :roll: but he doesn't seem to be around any more.

Just wondered if he bought it off Toni?

The Bossk was an eBay buy of Jabba the Nutt in 2011, and I've asked Jabba if he remembers where it came from. Hopefully having a better idea of Toni and non-Toni stock should clear this up.

I still think the bubble dimples are currently the only potential giveaway, as Wolff and Del have pointed out the pimples appear on bubbles with different stems but only on 45 backs, and as yet none of these are clearly shop bought..

 

[edd_jedi]

I think it's fair to assume that 99% of dead mint European MOCs originate from Toni, even if they have passed hands several times since.

 

[jimbody1]

I think Lafos is joking Joe :lol:

On another matter, I'm trying to trace the origins of my suspect cards - does anyone know Steven Beale/Freeballer. I bought my stormy off him as birthday treat in 2011 :roll: but he doesn't seem to be around any more.

Just wondered if he bought it off Toni?

The Bossk was an eBay buy of Jabba the Nutt in 2011, and I've asked Jabba if he remembers where it came from. Hopefully having a better idea of Toni and non-Toni stock should clear this up.

I still think the bubble dimples are currently the only potential giveaway, as Wolff and Del have pointed out the pimples appear on bubbles with different stems but only on 45 backs, and as yet none of these are clearly shop bought..

I know freeballer mate and yes if its a gm stormie it came from Toni.

 

[spoons]

I think Lafos is joking Joe :lol:

On another matter, I'm trying to trace the origins of my suspect cards - does anyone know Steven Beale/Freeballer. I bought my stormy off him as birthday treat in 2011 :roll: but he doesn't seem to be around any more.

Just wondered if he bought it off Toni?

The Bossk was an eBay buy of Jabba the Nutt in 2011, and I've asked Jabba if he remembers where it came from. Hopefully having a better idea of Toni and non-Toni stock should clear this up.

I still think the bubble dimples are currently the only potential giveaway, as Wolff and Del have pointed out the pimples appear on bubbles with different stems but only on 45 backs, and as yet none of these are clearly shop bought..

I know freeballer mate and yes if its a gm stormie it came from Toni.

Cheers Jim - I just realised I must have bought on SWCC, not been there in a while

I think it's fair to assume that 99% of dead mint European MOCs originate from Toni, even if they have passed hands several times since.

Edd, I think most are agreed on this but clearly there are non-Toni mint cards out there, and not so mint ones. I'm just trying to work out a way to spot the differences.


So far a GM 45 back with an 02 or 03 Kenner bubble is looking good, there don't appear to be any (unless someone is about to say different?) originating form Toni, and shop stock with these bubbles exists - not so the dimpled bubbles (as yet)

I've just been checking through my records and I'd hazard a guess that a shop bought TIE pilot is as rare as hens teeth, but it doesn't mean that there aren't good ones out there.

45bs and the last five sold on ebay that I picked up in searches are all AFA/UKG 85 or 90 - that does ring alarm bells

12/02/2012 TIE fighter pilot AFA85
10/03/2012 TIE fighter pilot AFA85
12/07/2012 TIE fighter pilot AFA85
30/09/2012 TIE fighter pilot AFA90
07/12/2013 TIE fighter pilot UKG90

 

[Grant_C]

I think 45a TFP are clear.

I think TFP 45b are of great concern.

Need to check lists of high grades and quantities.