Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.
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The thing that makes the Internet a darling when it comes to hobbying are the things that also make it a source of frustration when it comes to trying to restrict or arrest the movement of illegitimate goods.
For instance, there are goods circulating through comic consignment houses and auctions that trace back to scandals from over 6-8 years ago, and in some cases even longer. Which was one of the reasons behind my suggestion that we have some mechanism to lookup serial numbers as people will get the idea that this is merely speculation, and that graded items are legit until someone "proves" them otherwise.
Now, while I think giving Vectis, and BT and even auctioneers who are known to sell this type of stuff a heads-up, there is no one at the moment that is going to stick out their neck and sign their name on a document which suggests that these are "counterfeits." Just ask the good chaps who tried as much with the Scott McWilliam's scandal - collateral damage is a very real problem in these situations.
Having seen this play over in the vintage comic hobby, the best bet we've got (at least until we have 100% ironclad, uncontestable proof) is a concerted community response. Something like a thread which lists questionable/suspect goods found in the wild, with a brief summary of the allegations and why these items should be frozen and not sold, and when a piece surfaces, someone takes the initiative to notify the seller and post a link to their auction. Of course you're still going to get some renegades who will ignore the requests, but anybody who values their reputation will abide.
There is another angle in the short term which could be useful to this endeavour, but it will require someone who will inspect Toni MOC's and put their name to a document suggesting Toni was selling "fakes" or "counterfeits." I've tried this and unfortunately haven't turned up anything for the time being so if anyone has any suggestions on this, or someone is willing to volunteer, then please chime-in or contact me as this could really open up some possibilities.
For instance, there are goods circulating through comic consignment houses and auctions that trace back to scandals from over 6-8 years ago, and in some cases even longer. Which was one of the reasons behind my suggestion that we have some mechanism to lookup serial numbers as people will get the idea that this is merely speculation, and that graded items are legit until someone "proves" them otherwise.
Now, while I think giving Vectis, and BT and even auctioneers who are known to sell this type of stuff a heads-up, there is no one at the moment that is going to stick out their neck and sign their name on a document which suggests that these are "counterfeits." Just ask the good chaps who tried as much with the Scott McWilliam's scandal - collateral damage is a very real problem in these situations.
Having seen this play over in the vintage comic hobby, the best bet we've got (at least until we have 100% ironclad, uncontestable proof) is a concerted community response. Something like a thread which lists questionable/suspect goods found in the wild, with a brief summary of the allegations and why these items should be frozen and not sold, and when a piece surfaces, someone takes the initiative to notify the seller and post a link to their auction. Of course you're still going to get some renegades who will ignore the requests, but anybody who values their reputation will abide.
There is another angle in the short term which could be useful to this endeavour, but it will require someone who will inspect Toni MOC's and put their name to a document suggesting Toni was selling "fakes" or "counterfeits." I've tried this and unfortunately haven't turned up anything for the time being so if anyone has any suggestions on this, or someone is willing to volunteer, then please chime-in or contact me as this could really open up some possibilities.
The main problem as I see it at present is e-bay its too easy to unload these on unsuspecting collectors. If someone started an auction for one of each type of these affected figures and put a link to this discussion in the auction and two of us can bid it up to some ridiculous price to draw attention to it, it would make people who don't use the forum boards aware these are possibly bad.
Something like for sale one Palitoy Jedi fett, click in this link to see the discussion on why this figure is worth the 10k and just link it to the discussion here or RS bid it up high and then cancel the auction before it ends.
Something like for sale one Palitoy Jedi fett, click in this link to see the discussion on why this figure is worth the 10k and just link it to the discussion here or RS bid it up high and then cancel the auction before it ends.
jedisearcher
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People shouldn't let Toni's possible runner stop them opening up small claims cases, or otherwise trying to get their money back through other legal sources.
He's unlikely to be gone for good, he'll just be laying low for a while and will return to the UK at some point in the future. It happens all the time.
Claims need to logged against him now so if he tries to get a visa in the future it may come out in his application, or when he comes home in afew years you've still got the means to pursue him.
If it's not logged your money is gone for good.
Chris
He's unlikely to be gone for good, he'll just be laying low for a while and will return to the UK at some point in the future. It happens all the time.
Claims need to logged against him now so if he tries to get a visa in the future it may come out in his application, or when he comes home in afew years you've still got the means to pursue him.
If it's not logged your money is gone for good.
Chris
Richard_H
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Done.
How do you avoid paying the seller fees?
How do you avoid paying the seller fees?
jedisearcher
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jambobbyb said:
Yeah it's got a big read arrow on it anyway so it's not as described! :lol:
Lets go to the police with everything we have simultaneously.
mr_palitoy
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http://www.channel5.com/shows/cowboy-traders
Would love to see Dom doorstepping our Toni....
Jason
Would love to see Dom doorstepping our Toni....
Jason
mr_palitoy
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You can apply on this page:-
http://www.ricochet.co.uk/casting/Have-you-been-ripped-off-Are-you-the-victim-of-a-cowboy-trader-We-may-be-able-to-help_424.aspx
Pretty sure that is for the series that aired last year though.
It's still listed under current casting though:-
http://www.ricochet.co.uk/castings.aspx
Jason
http://www.ricochet.co.uk/casting/Have-you-been-ripped-off-Are-you-the-victim-of-a-cowboy-trader-We-may-be-able-to-help_424.aspx
Pretty sure that is for the series that aired last year though.
It's still listed under current casting though:-
http://www.ricochet.co.uk/castings.aspx
Jason
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:lol: :lol:
Stargeezer
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jambobbyb said:
Just placed a nice amount on it, so it would attract some more views.
just don't let the auction end
mr_palitoy
Sith Lord
jambobbyb said:No worries man I will make sure I finish it 24 hours before it ends
I posted on the swfuk thread that is linked to with some info about clipper/general mills too.
cheers Jason
