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Premier League Discussion Thread Season 2014-15
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Utd were really poor. They created virtually nothing and looked little better than under moyes. Swansea didn't create a huge amount and probably didn't deserve to win, but if i was a utd fan i would be worried. Even if the injured players come back there are still massive problems there.
I agree on Arse. They were very ponderous today. Slow taking frees which let palace set up their back 9 and then arsenal couldn't break it down. As for Sonogo he has to be the worst player in the PL now that Aspass has gone. He is utterly useless. I think he found an arsenal player with about 3 passes all day. What wenger sees in him i will never know.
I agree on Arse. They were very ponderous today. Slow taking frees which let palace set up their back 9 and then arsenal couldn't break it down. As for Sonogo he has to be the worst player in the PL now that Aspass has gone. He is utterly useless. I think he found an arsenal player with about 3 passes all day. What wenger sees in him i will never know.
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Enjoying watching Newcastle, looks like they've done some good business over the summer, Cabella looks a lively player, going to enjoy watching him to see how he comes on.
weasel said:
I'm glad to be honest, Moyes was an easy scapegoat for a crap team. Of course a manager makes a difference, but one does not change an average team in to a winning team without changing anything else. United have a long road to recovery, there is no quick fix. Putting Alex Ferguson back in charge wouldn't win them the league.
As nobody else has mentioned it, glad Spurs won of course, feel a bit sorry for West Ham as it was pretty even, but I think the penalty deserved to be missed. As I said last season, any ref that issues a penalty AND red card at the same time unless it's something like a Suarez bite is an utter ****, you may as well just call off the game.
Cant remember which one was which but the boy who looks like a bloody pharaoh and the other idiot with the truly daft hair were so frustrating. They could be brilliant if they learnt to cross properly, not to shoot from 50yards and how to make the right choice. They probably should have nicked something from that game, sissoko scores and that finishes 1-1, 30 seconds later it's 2-0 and game over.
I thought Pool were really poor today. Daylight robbery. Saints murdered them in the second half. How Steve Davis and Shane Long missed those chances i'll never know. The entire Pool back line looks no more secure than it did last season. Early doors but I'm not sure about yer man at RB and Mingolet still looks no more than an adequate keeper. TF we spent 10million buying him.
Still two cushy games up next City away and Spuds away(a game Pool normally struggle in, bar last season).
I thought Pool were really poor today. Daylight robbery. Saints murdered them in the second half. How Steve Davis and Shane Long missed those chances i'll never know. The entire Pool back line looks no more secure than it did last season. Early doors but I'm not sure about yer man at RB and Mingolet still looks no more than an adequate keeper. TF we spent 10million buying him.
Still two cushy games up next City away and Spuds away(a game Pool normally struggle in, bar last season).
edd_jedi said:
Just seen the spurs game. The penalty is a tough one. From that range yer man has no time to react, BUT WTF was he doing trying to block it with his hands above his head like that? I can see why the ref (or linesman, i guess he was looking right at it) gave it. TBH i probably would have given it too.
The red is a bit harsh, i'm not sure the shot was going in. Although is the ref not obliged to give a red card for a deliberate hand ball in box?
weasel said:
It was a pen but not a red, for me. It was a pen because the hands were significantly above the head/face and when the hands are spread anywhere away form the body it is and should be deemed 'intentional'.
It is not a red because it wasn't definitely blocking the ball from going in. Had he been standing on the line and done that then, yes, red. I think it will be rescinded. We'll see.
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PGowdy said:
Agreed, shocking decision but schurrle's goal was classy
Bootyhunter said:
Yeah, i expect him to be a big player for Chelsea this season if given the playing time. Bit annoyed as i had him in my fantasy team till friday but everything i read in the papers suggested he might not be started. So i took him out. Doh.
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Fabregas fitted in nicely but they just need to get the ball to Hazard a bit more though.
PGowdy said:
I had him in my provisional squad and took him out for the same reason. Great player, but given his cost he needs to be playing every week for him to be any use in FF, and I'm not sure if he will.
As a matter of interest, given he had beaten the ****ing keeper and was about to tap it into an open net, why did Costa go down like he'd been harpooned? Had he wanted to he could have stayed on his feet. There was contact, but it wasn't massive. His leading leg goes down as well as his trailing leg, the keeper only touched his trailing leg. Are you telling me any 1980's or 1990's striker would have gone down like that?
I know everyone does it now, but the contact was soft (yes, it's a penalty) but FFS grow a set, stay on your feet and put the ball in ****ing empty net!
weasel said:
I think it's a bit of it was late contact and at that speed would throw you off and a spanish strikers instinct to take the fall over the chance, Either way it was a blatant foul and a goal scoring opportunity so pen and red card. Simple as that.
Oh aye, no arguments on the foul, by default it's a penalty and a red card. I just wish the odd forward would grow a set stay on his feet and put the ball into the empty net! Ooohhh for the good old days!
Ps, STILL no sign of spurs signing a striker. With Soldado being offered to anyone with 2 copper pennies to rub together and Adebayor off to ACN in Jan, it could get messy for Spuds.
But still, at least you're trying to sign another midfielder in Sneiderling! You def need one of them, i mean you've only got Eriksen, Lamela, Capoue, Townsend, Lennon, Bentaleb, Holtby, Dembele and Sandro. Ohh and Paulinho. And Chadli!
That's 11 players for at most 5 spots. Yes, Daniel Levy, another midfielder when you have FA upfront is just what you need!
I do rate Schneiderling, but seriously, how many midfielders does one club need? And you're gonna have to offer more than the rumoured 17million.
Ps, STILL no sign of spurs signing a striker. With Soldado being offered to anyone with 2 copper pennies to rub together and Adebayor off to ACN in Jan, it could get messy for Spuds.
But still, at least you're trying to sign another midfielder in Sneiderling! You def need one of them, i mean you've only got Eriksen, Lamela, Capoue, Townsend, Lennon, Bentaleb, Holtby, Dembele and Sandro. Ohh and Paulinho. And Chadli!
That's 11 players for at most 5 spots. Yes, Daniel Levy, another midfielder when you have FA upfront is just what you need!
I do rate Schneiderling, but seriously, how many midfielders does one club need? And you're gonna have to offer more than the rumoured 17million.
weasel said:
On the diving, i do agree but at the same time i seem to be one of the few that recognises that it's the referees that have created and continue to cultivate this trend by not awarding something unless you go down.
Let's say Costa had stayed on his feet but due to the contact putting off balance and letting the ball get away he then fluffs the shot, would be understandable too! Would he then be given a pen (imagining the ref actually saw the foul)? No, he definitely wouldn't. And so the players think '**** it then, there's very little reward for staying on my feet so i'll go down'. And who can really blame them. This is about 80% the refs fault and 20% players are cheating cunts. So i think the officials have a lot to answer for with the diving culture.
With Spurs, in total fairness we are probably lacking one good midfielder. But no doubt we have took many average ones that need showing the door. But when you need a striker as bad as we do that REALLY isn't where you ought to be focusing your attention. I don't know if it's stubbornness, ignorance, incompetence or just good old fashioned not having a ****ing clue but it's not good. WE NEED A STRIKER!! Get Remy, Get Negrado, Get Rodriguez, ****ing get anyone!! You know you're in for a tough season when QPR have a better stoke force than you do. :roll:
PGowdy said:
Yeah, fair point. I guess it's the awkward grey area between giving the player the advantage and giving him the penalty.
We've all seen players miss sitters (yes, Shane Long I'm thinking of you from last Saturday) so it's tricky for the ref to know if the contact resulted in his miss or if he is just ****.
To amend your example slightly, say that had been Torres and he got past the keeper after a little contact, but then blazed over. Is that as a result of him being off balance after the keeper clipped him or just him being Torres, ie shite?
It is tricky, and I do agree with you. ****ing annoying as well though, seeing grown men falling over after contact that wouldn't even knock a toddler over.
weasel said:
You're issuing the point. It doesn't mater if the contact "makes him miss" my point was if he stays on his feet he won't get a pen. If he misses he was still fouled. A pen is for a foul not stopping someone scoring. So you can play advantage and let the player try to score but if he does not it should be a pen. Refs don't do this. Basically if you're fouled and stay on your feet you get nothing. Refs like to see a dive. It's sad but true.
Ok, with you now.
It's kinda the inverse of Edd's rant on the penalty and red card, which is a double punishment, whereas the penalty if he misses could be seen as a double reward, he gets the shot AND he gets the penalty if he misses.
It's kinda the inverse of Edd's rant on the penalty and red card, which is a double punishment, whereas the penalty if he misses could be seen as a double reward, he gets the shot AND he gets the penalty if he misses.
weasel said:
But this is how the rules of football are supposed to work. Anywhere else on the pitch it's called playing "advantage". BUt at the end of the day a foul should be a foul whether it makes the player fall over or not.
