Premier League 24/25 Thread
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Rumours that Ange is a goner and Thomas Frank is set to take over.
I do rate Frank, it will be interesting to see how he manages the step up (insert your own league table funny).
I also think sacking Ange is the right decision. Spurs league form this year has been abysmal, injuries and the EL do not explain it all. Utd had the same call with ETH and they got it wrong. In fact they gave him a new contract for reasons that I never worked out. I think if Ange stays he gets sacked before October is out, so making the change now makes sense.
I do rate Frank, it will be interesting to see how he manages the step up (insert your own league table funny).
I also think sacking Ange is the right decision. Spurs league form this year has been abysmal, injuries and the EL do not explain it all. Utd had the same call with ETH and they got it wrong. In fact they gave him a new contract for reasons that I never worked out. I think if Ange stays he gets sacked before October is out, so making the change now makes sense.
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If we hadent sacked Ten Hag do you reckon we would have finished 15th and not won anything? Never able to say either way but I thought it was stupid sacking him not even half way through the season after spending £300 million on him just that summer, most those signings were after the season started as well. I would have sacked him this summer and got Amorim to start now like he wanted too. In hindsight I would have sacked Ten Hag the day he signed Onana!
In hindsight, you wouldn't have appointed him. Not sure a single one of his signings was any good, or remotely decent value.
As for where Utd had been had he gone after the FAC win, it is impossible to say. I guess it depends on who you got in and who he signed. Still not sure Amorim's 3/5 at the back works in the PL, but I'll give him a few months of next season before making a call.
I guess the obvious answer to your question is, "could it have gone any worse than it did?" Without appointing me or Doris the tea lady, I'm not sure it could.
Sorry, just realised you said, "if we hadn't sacked TH"….hmmmm. Equally hard to say, I suspect you would still have had a **** season and probably not won anything, but we'll never know. The end of his reign did have the feel of a manager who had lost it. Mazraoui as a no. 10 dafuq was that about?
He never established a style of play and his signings were all but universally shocking, so it's hard to see him becoming a success.
As for where Utd had been had he gone after the FAC win, it is impossible to say. I guess it depends on who you got in and who he signed. Still not sure Amorim's 3/5 at the back works in the PL, but I'll give him a few months of next season before making a call.
I guess the obvious answer to your question is, "could it have gone any worse than it did?" Without appointing me or Doris the tea lady, I'm not sure it could.
Sorry, just realised you said, "if we hadn't sacked TH"….hmmmm. Equally hard to say, I suspect you would still have had a **** season and probably not won anything, but we'll never know. The end of his reign did have the feel of a manager who had lost it. Mazraoui as a no. 10 dafuq was that about?
He never established a style of play and his signings were all but universally shocking, so it's hard to see him becoming a success.
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I think he had about a 30% success rate with his signings, but you have to look at the owners and board when it comes to signings. The days of clubs relying on the manager be solely responsible for purchases have long gone. Also the price paid is never down to the manager. Antony and Casimiro were signed after he lost his first two games as panick buys, because the glazers crapped themselves. The players he signed last summer have been promising this season, but as usual injury prone.
As for Amorims system working in the PL, you could argue it is but just doesn't work with these players. He's had one signing. If you can just coach a set of players to play any system, why does Pep need hundreds of millions when he joins a new club? He's the best coach in the world but he can't polish a turd. Same with Klopp he had a clear out which the club fully facilitated and then when he left they got a coach that plays a similar system. I agree though it's still a big question if his system will work and again the owners bought him in knowing he plays a certain way half way through a season with a squad that has never played his system. So who's faults that, he said when he signed I play this way and I won't change, did Klopp ever consider changing his system? Pep? Slot? Tuchel? All won the PL and were backed by there clubs. Tuchel with a back 3 as well. To play Amorim's system in the PL you need fast, strong players in their prime.
I see Ten Hag has got the Leverkusen job, popcorn at the ready.
As for Amorims system working in the PL, you could argue it is but just doesn't work with these players. He's had one signing. If you can just coach a set of players to play any system, why does Pep need hundreds of millions when he joins a new club? He's the best coach in the world but he can't polish a turd. Same with Klopp he had a clear out which the club fully facilitated and then when he left they got a coach that plays a similar system. I agree though it's still a big question if his system will work and again the owners bought him in knowing he plays a certain way half way through a season with a squad that has never played his system. So who's faults that, he said when he signed I play this way and I won't change, did Klopp ever consider changing his system? Pep? Slot? Tuchel? All won the PL and were backed by there clubs. Tuchel with a back 3 as well. To play Amorim's system in the PL you need fast, strong players in their prime.
I see Ten Hag has got the Leverkusen job, popcorn at the ready.
I agree with most if not all of that.
I would need to sit down and go through ETH's signings, and frankly I CBA, and yes, the Board/Dir of Football do the signings somI don't hold him entirely responsible. He may have pushed for certain players but he doesn't do the negotiating. Klopp, for reasons bets known to himself, wanted Nunez and he pulled rank. That worked well.
We'll never know, ETH may have begged for Anthony at any price or may have preferred XYZ but got Anthony, either way he (Anthony) was up there with the worst PL signings of all time.
I agree on Amorim too, that's what I meant by giving him a few months. He needs at least two windows to get in players he wants, get out SOME of the deadwood and try to coach the team to play his way. I still think in the six ish months he's had we should have seen some improvement. Yer man at Wolves turned them round and Emery turned Villa round in less time. But I will give him a bit more time.
From what I have read his insistence on playing 3 at the back is what put Pool and WH off him. Neither club felt they had the personnel for that system and felt a different manager was preferable to overhauling the playing staff. Again, Utd's Board must have known he wanted a style that differs from what they have played previously. But given how poorly run Utd are it wouldn't surprise me if the fact didn't register with them. Nor would it surprise me if he was fired 2 months into next season and another victim appointed who plays a totally different system and the whole dance starts again. Utd really are an utter shambles.
All managers change systems mid game, it's a media narrative that Ange only plays all out attack, he didn't in the EL, or that Pep or Klopp always play the same way. Pep has had about four different systems in his time at City. They changed massively to accommodate the non moving, no marking, goal machine that is Haaland. Both Pep and Klopp would tweak things in game, pushing a FB up more, tucking him in centrally, asking a winger/striker to drop deeper or pulling a wide forward back into midfield to gain control. Unless you sit and watch an entire game from the clouds you don't notice it. Football is a game of chess some times, one manager reacts to a goal and the other reacts to that change and repeat.
I would bet my life Amorim is the same.
But Klopp, Pep and Arteta all have a style of play, intense, high pressing, controlling the ball. Amorim has his three at the back. It is quite different to anything else in the PL, albeit it was very common in the 90's. It might work, I have my doubts, as much cos it's Utd and they are a shambles. But we'll see.
Anyone taking any interest in this fifa world club cup trophy competition sports washing bollocks that's starting in a week or so?
I would need to sit down and go through ETH's signings, and frankly I CBA, and yes, the Board/Dir of Football do the signings somI don't hold him entirely responsible. He may have pushed for certain players but he doesn't do the negotiating. Klopp, for reasons bets known to himself, wanted Nunez and he pulled rank. That worked well.
We'll never know, ETH may have begged for Anthony at any price or may have preferred XYZ but got Anthony, either way he (Anthony) was up there with the worst PL signings of all time.
I agree on Amorim too, that's what I meant by giving him a few months. He needs at least two windows to get in players he wants, get out SOME of the deadwood and try to coach the team to play his way. I still think in the six ish months he's had we should have seen some improvement. Yer man at Wolves turned them round and Emery turned Villa round in less time. But I will give him a bit more time.
From what I have read his insistence on playing 3 at the back is what put Pool and WH off him. Neither club felt they had the personnel for that system and felt a different manager was preferable to overhauling the playing staff. Again, Utd's Board must have known he wanted a style that differs from what they have played previously. But given how poorly run Utd are it wouldn't surprise me if the fact didn't register with them. Nor would it surprise me if he was fired 2 months into next season and another victim appointed who plays a totally different system and the whole dance starts again. Utd really are an utter shambles.
All managers change systems mid game, it's a media narrative that Ange only plays all out attack, he didn't in the EL, or that Pep or Klopp always play the same way. Pep has had about four different systems in his time at City. They changed massively to accommodate the non moving, no marking, goal machine that is Haaland. Both Pep and Klopp would tweak things in game, pushing a FB up more, tucking him in centrally, asking a winger/striker to drop deeper or pulling a wide forward back into midfield to gain control. Unless you sit and watch an entire game from the clouds you don't notice it. Football is a game of chess some times, one manager reacts to a goal and the other reacts to that change and repeat.
I would bet my life Amorim is the same.
But Klopp, Pep and Arteta all have a style of play, intense, high pressing, controlling the ball. Amorim has his three at the back. It is quite different to anything else in the PL, albeit it was very common in the 90's. It might work, I have my doubts, as much cos it's Utd and they are a shambles. But we'll see.
Anyone taking any interest in this fifa world club cup trophy competition sports washing bollocks that's starting in a week or so?
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I'm not sure I can eloquently describe the lengths I'll go to in order to avoid watching it. Hopefully no ****er watches and it gets binned off.
Nothing official on Ange going yet that I can see, I'm still 50/50 on it. Yes, the league form was shocking, relegation form. BUT as I said a few pages ago, how did he go from literally top of the league before the injuries to where they ended up this season? I can't explain it, it's not like he was always shite. I've heard people say they figured out his tactics, I guess you could say that for any manager. I'd give him another season peronally, looks like there's going to be quite a few players coming and going anyway.
