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I didn't really see the Spurs game, but I thought Liverpool were pretty emphatic overall. :lol:
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Ouch! :shock:
Lol, that Firminio one looks nasty. It looked a bit soft at the time, but as an ex-contact lense wearer, I know how much it hurts when one of them rips in your eye, so i assume having someone drag a finger nail over ur eye isn't gonna be plesant. Though the picture makes it look more like yer man fingered him in the eye so I can see why he didn't play on.
As for the game, I was also a bit surprised by the commentators saying Pool were utterly dominant. I do think they were the better side, albeit spuds had more possession in the first half. Saying that the number of chances Liverpool's forwards fluffed was unreal. Salah and Mane both had great chances in first half and then in the second half both seemed determined to pick the wrong option every single time. The number of times I was screaming at them to pass it right or left and they held on to it, held on to it and then butchered the pass was unreal. It could have been 3/4/5 if they had been at their best.
Saying that, Spuds had a decent shout for a pen right at the end, the refs view was blocked by a Spuds player, and you lot got a soft as **** penalty against us last year so.....
I don't agee a draw would have been a fair result though. Spurs may have dominated possession in the first half but Liverpool had more and better chances, although both sides buggered them up. Second half Spurs were very poor, unusually for a spurs side, right up until the last 10 mins or so. Not sure having more possession in one half and being the better side for 10 mins of the second half merits getting a point, but then we have all seen sides hammered for 90 mins and come out winning (Utd in the '99 CL final being a prime example).
Is Harry Kane fit? He hasn't quite looked sharp, or like ehhh well Harry Kane, for most of the season. Salah is in a similar position. I dunno if it's early season rustiness or what but both look knackered and short on confidence in Salah's case.
I still think not buying anyone in the summer will come back to bite Spurs in the arse. It's a long auld season especially with CL and all squads need refreshing. Look at how often Fergy used to move players out, and bring new players in. I think Levy has shot Spurs in the foot there with his stubbornness.
Ohh and I must say, as that was the first game in Spurs new stadium, that it looks really nice inside. It's very similar to Wembley weirdly but a definite step up on WHL. :wink:
As for the game, I was also a bit surprised by the commentators saying Pool were utterly dominant. I do think they were the better side, albeit spuds had more possession in the first half. Saying that the number of chances Liverpool's forwards fluffed was unreal. Salah and Mane both had great chances in first half and then in the second half both seemed determined to pick the wrong option every single time. The number of times I was screaming at them to pass it right or left and they held on to it, held on to it and then butchered the pass was unreal. It could have been 3/4/5 if they had been at their best.
Saying that, Spuds had a decent shout for a pen right at the end, the refs view was blocked by a Spuds player, and you lot got a soft as **** penalty against us last year so.....
I don't agee a draw would have been a fair result though. Spurs may have dominated possession in the first half but Liverpool had more and better chances, although both sides buggered them up. Second half Spurs were very poor, unusually for a spurs side, right up until the last 10 mins or so. Not sure having more possession in one half and being the better side for 10 mins of the second half merits getting a point, but then we have all seen sides hammered for 90 mins and come out winning (Utd in the '99 CL final being a prime example).
Is Harry Kane fit? He hasn't quite looked sharp, or like ehhh well Harry Kane, for most of the season. Salah is in a similar position. I dunno if it's early season rustiness or what but both look knackered and short on confidence in Salah's case.
I still think not buying anyone in the summer will come back to bite Spurs in the arse. It's a long auld season especially with CL and all squads need refreshing. Look at how often Fergy used to move players out, and bring new players in. I think Levy has shot Spurs in the foot there with his stubbornness.
Ohh and I must say, as that was the first game in Spurs new stadium, that it looks really nice inside. It's very similar to Wembley weirdly but a definite step up on WHL. :wink:
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:lol: :lol: Yes it's weird how much it looks like Wembley inside and outside.
I mean come on, it was pretty ****ing ambitious to build a new stadium on the site of the current one in one season! I'm amazed it's as near completion as it is. If it's ready by the end of the season, I'll be impressed. Anybody seen the Arsenal fans petitions to dock us points over it? How desperate :lol:
There's two things I don't understand.
1) Daniel Levy is a pretty sharp cookie, who knows how to do a deal and who doesn't over pay or sell on the cheap. So why did he not have penalty clauses in the contract? Such that any builder knowing they were there would have had his staff workin 24/7 to get the thing done and avoid having to pay them.
2) I assume he (Levy) still works from WHL at least one day a week, so surely he must have seen the progress or lack of and known it wasn't going to be ready in time. Why wasn't he all over the builder like a rash screaming at him to get it done?
It's all very amateur hour. Is he really surprised that a builder didn't hit the time scale he said he would? That's like a bus not being on time FFS.
1) Daniel Levy is a pretty sharp cookie, who knows how to do a deal and who doesn't over pay or sell on the cheap. So why did he not have penalty clauses in the contract? Such that any builder knowing they were there would have had his staff workin 24/7 to get the thing done and avoid having to pay them.
2) I assume he (Levy) still works from WHL at least one day a week, so surely he must have seen the progress or lack of and known it wasn't going to be ready in time. Why wasn't he all over the builder like a rash screaming at him to get it done?
It's all very amateur hour. Is he really surprised that a builder didn't hit the time scale he said he would? That's like a bus not being on time FFS.
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I hadn't until you put this up, I shall sign it immediately :lol:edd_jedi said:
Seriously though I would like to distance myself from that mentality, it's petty beyond belief and I truly hope, yet remain to be convinced, it's only banter.
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I agree it's a ridiculous mentality. These rivalries in English football are part of what makes it so unique. Man Utd/Liverpool, Arsenal/Spurs and Chelsea/Arsenal. I often think how rubbish it would be if any of those teams got relegated and you would loose 8 big games straight away.
But it is only a game and docking Spurs points for not having their stadium ready is never going to happen.
But it is only a game and docking Spurs points for not having their stadium ready is never going to happen.
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I think that's a bit harsh to be honest. This is a 70,000 seater football stadium. Most builders can't even do a loft extension on time, let alone a project of this scale. I think being a few months behind on such a massive under-taking is pretty reasonable. I think they would have been better giving themselves more time and signing up at Wembley for two seasons.
Ohhh I get builders being useless at sticking to time scales. I used to build nursing homes I know exactly how ****ing useless builders are.
That's why I'm surprised Levy didn't put penalty clauses in. He must have known the builders would probably overshoot so why not include a penalty clause, that way if they overshoot Spurs get a bit of money back!? Levy could use that to give himself another pay rise. :wink:
It just seems like such an obvious thing to do, the penalty clause not the pay rise for Levy. First you check the builder is happy he can build it on time, I assume they put the contract out to tender so they can check the plausibility of the builders time scale by comparing it to everyone else's. If the rest said 2-3 years and one guy said just over a year, you know you either have a joker or the best builder in the world. Either way you add penalty clauses and when he realises he won't be finished in time he either gets his men to work weekends and evenings to try and finish on time (the bill for overtime is his not yours), or he pays you the penalty clause. Win win for Spurs.
It's like a car insurance policy. You don't take it out cos you know you're going to crash, you take it out to protect you and your car should you crash. Ok, and legally you have to have one, but you get my point.
All very un-Levy like.
As for Spurs last night. They were woeful for the first hour, right up until they scored. Inter, who aren't great, were playing them off the park. Davis/Davies, the LB was atrocious. Dier wasn't much better. Watching Spurs trying to play it out from the back was like watching Arsenal trying to do it, and that ain't a compliment. You could actually see the fear in the players eyes as they tried to do it. Not only that but they gave it away doing it so many times. Davies on his own must have ****ed it up a dozen times in the first half alone. Fair dos though, once they scored they really settled and looked much the better side. It was all very very comfortable. Inter looked punctured and almost resigned to a defeat until Icardi scored that screamer, then it was just a case of could Spurs hold on. Another goal from a header at a corner, how many is that this season? I don't know what is going on at the back for Spurs, they have a great back four, but they shouldn't be shipping goals like that. It's not JUST Vorm's fault.
That Pool PSG game was almost as frustrating. **** me PSG are shite. 'one of the best teams in Europe' my ****ing arse. That forward line is scary, going forward, but the rest of the team is bang average. Give them Calum Wilson and Troy Deeney instead of that front 3, buck them in the PL and watch them flounder around lower mid table.
Saying that, Pool's final ball and finishing was piss poor. Again. Salah had a stinker. His assist for PSG's equaliser summed his night up. Harry Kane and him both look like a shadow of the players they were last year.
How PSG were minutes away from getting a point I'll never know, they scored with both their half chances. Pool fluffed countless half decent positions. Final balls were over hit, under hit, the ball was held on to for too long or people went for the glory option instead of passing it.
3-2 was a fair outcome, but I think the score line flattered PSG.
That is a club that needs to look long and hard at itself. If they are serious about winning the CL they need to give the manager to power to drop some of the big names. ATM they play with 11 going forward and 8 going backwards. I'm not even sure Neymar ran backwards once in the entire game. But if the owners are happy to let the big names just do whatever they like, so be it. They have to then accept that in the big European games, against the top sides their team will be found out, and beaten.....badly.
They are very similar to Celtic in some ways. They walk their domestic league so easily that they rarely need to get out of second or third gear, so once the CL comes around and they need to find 4th or 5th gear and stay in it for 90 minutes they struggle. Obviously, in PSG's case their second or third gear is enough to beat a lot of the other sides in the CL, whereas Celtic need fourth or fifth to have half a chance, but they won't get far with three passengers who CBA to do any defending.
That's why I'm surprised Levy didn't put penalty clauses in. He must have known the builders would probably overshoot so why not include a penalty clause, that way if they overshoot Spurs get a bit of money back!? Levy could use that to give himself another pay rise. :wink:
It just seems like such an obvious thing to do, the penalty clause not the pay rise for Levy. First you check the builder is happy he can build it on time, I assume they put the contract out to tender so they can check the plausibility of the builders time scale by comparing it to everyone else's. If the rest said 2-3 years and one guy said just over a year, you know you either have a joker or the best builder in the world. Either way you add penalty clauses and when he realises he won't be finished in time he either gets his men to work weekends and evenings to try and finish on time (the bill for overtime is his not yours), or he pays you the penalty clause. Win win for Spurs.
It's like a car insurance policy. You don't take it out cos you know you're going to crash, you take it out to protect you and your car should you crash. Ok, and legally you have to have one, but you get my point.
All very un-Levy like.
As for Spurs last night. They were woeful for the first hour, right up until they scored. Inter, who aren't great, were playing them off the park. Davis/Davies, the LB was atrocious. Dier wasn't much better. Watching Spurs trying to play it out from the back was like watching Arsenal trying to do it, and that ain't a compliment. You could actually see the fear in the players eyes as they tried to do it. Not only that but they gave it away doing it so many times. Davies on his own must have ****ed it up a dozen times in the first half alone. Fair dos though, once they scored they really settled and looked much the better side. It was all very very comfortable. Inter looked punctured and almost resigned to a defeat until Icardi scored that screamer, then it was just a case of could Spurs hold on. Another goal from a header at a corner, how many is that this season? I don't know what is going on at the back for Spurs, they have a great back four, but they shouldn't be shipping goals like that. It's not JUST Vorm's fault.
That Pool PSG game was almost as frustrating. **** me PSG are shite. 'one of the best teams in Europe' my ****ing arse. That forward line is scary, going forward, but the rest of the team is bang average. Give them Calum Wilson and Troy Deeney instead of that front 3, buck them in the PL and watch them flounder around lower mid table.
Saying that, Pool's final ball and finishing was piss poor. Again. Salah had a stinker. His assist for PSG's equaliser summed his night up. Harry Kane and him both look like a shadow of the players they were last year.
How PSG were minutes away from getting a point I'll never know, they scored with both their half chances. Pool fluffed countless half decent positions. Final balls were over hit, under hit, the ball was held on to for too long or people went for the glory option instead of passing it.
3-2 was a fair outcome, but I think the score line flattered PSG.
That is a club that needs to look long and hard at itself. If they are serious about winning the CL they need to give the manager to power to drop some of the big names. ATM they play with 11 going forward and 8 going backwards. I'm not even sure Neymar ran backwards once in the entire game. But if the owners are happy to let the big names just do whatever they like, so be it. They have to then accept that in the big European games, against the top sides their team will be found out, and beaten.....badly.
They are very similar to Celtic in some ways. They walk their domestic league so easily that they rarely need to get out of second or third gear, so once the CL comes around and they need to find 4th or 5th gear and stay in it for 90 minutes they struggle. Obviously, in PSG's case their second or third gear is enough to beat a lot of the other sides in the CL, whereas Celtic need fourth or fifth to have half a chance, but they won't get far with three passengers who CBA to do any defending.
I definitely think Spurs were robbed last night. Inter's first goal - I've lost count of the amount of times we've conceded "goals of the season" that no defender or goalkeeper could do anything about. We seem to be a sucker for them. The second goal was again Vorm watching the ball go in with no attempt to save it. I don't believe it's a coincidence we've lost all three games he's started. But you're right, a lot of other **** ups outfield too. Very odd choice of back four by Poch.
Now you know how Liverpool fans felt after years and years and years of watching various muppets do nets for them.
Karius (who was far from the worst), Mingers, Dudek, James, Jones, Kirkland, Friedel (who pish at Liverpool but solid at Spuds and BR) and Westerveld.
Karius (who was far from the worst), Mingers, Dudek, James, Jones, Kirkland, Friedel (who pish at Liverpool but solid at Spuds and BR) and Westerveld.
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Peggy Arhexiad or however it's spelt!
I blocked him out. Not sure if he even played.
TBF any player who can sit and joke and laugh during the Hillsborough memorial services deserves to be taken round to one of the houses of a victims family and left to find his own way home/to the hospital. Scum bag.
TBF any player who can sit and joke and laugh during the Hillsborough memorial services deserves to be taken round to one of the houses of a victims family and left to find his own way home/to the hospital. Scum bag.
For ****'s sake, nearly a repeat of the Inter game. We were very lucky not to end up with a draw today. Why was Danny 'man of the match' Rose not in position when we're 2-0 up with 2 minutes left? He was solely responsible for that goal, absolutely useless defender. Yet again Spurs make hard work of what should have been a routine win, at least they didn't blow it this time.
Agreed, but at least (with only one or two exceptions, that I can recall) Dier wasn't dire for a change. I don't know what's wrong with him and Danny Rose at the moment, but both need a good kick up the ass as they're well below their best. At least Lamela looked sharp, even if he still refuses to pass the ball to anyone in the box. Ever.
Arguably Kane and Alli are out of form at the moment too, but you cannot be an out of form defender hanging around the opponents goal area. That's just the way it is, if you're a defender you need to put that first as its your fault if goals are conceded.
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Your right Weasel the League Cup is in no way a major trophie! :lol:
Lol.
I have been half heartedly laughing at Utd fans. That is a piss poor result. It may not have been Utd's strongest 11 but 10 of them were internationals and it was a better team than Derby put out. BUT.....it's the worthless cup.
Still two of the big 6 out in the first round (Pool play Chelsea tonight) that opens it up a bit for the 'smaller' teams.
I have been half heartedly laughing at Utd fans. That is a piss poor result. It may not have been Utd's strongest 11 but 10 of them were internationals and it was a better team than Derby put out. BUT.....it's the worthless cup.
Still two of the big 6 out in the first round (Pool play Chelsea tonight) that opens it up a bit for the 'smaller' teams.
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