PL 2016-2017 Thread

I'm not so sure Wembley next season will be a negative thing. Curses do not exist. Spurs played brilliantly against Chelsea there a couple of weeks ago, that performance would have beaten 18 of the other 20 PL teams. They were just unlucky on the day. I think because they will be playing there week in week out, they will soon get used to it. I've also heard they might reduce the pitch size so it is closer to WHL, but TBH I think the pitch is a bullshit excuse as they have done just fine in this seasons away matches on all kinds of different pitches.

Yes they have played badly or been unlucky in their five or six games there this season, but it's not cursed and they will be fine. I think West Ham are struggling at the Olympic Stadium simply because it is not a football stadium and not fit for purpose. I am relieved Spurs did not get it.
 
Not suggesting a curse Edd :lol:

The two games I got to see at Wembley this year were a very odd atmosphere IMO. The supporters were not just the core WHL faithful and actually 90k supporters (majority home fans) is so much more than the c27k (of the c36k capacity) that turn out week in and week out that there was little synergy of chant or coordinated vocal support that I was used to during my ten plus years at WHL... Players absolutely respond to that.

I have been blessed to travel to over 40 away grounds following Spurs and there are not many that come close (IMO) to the atmosphere at WHL. IMO it makes a huge difference to how teams play on their day. Highbury (despite being called the Library) actually had it, that new place they built though has zero... :lol: Fingers crossed we get better. I think we will, the guys behind U2's concert acoustics are involved with the new WHL architecture team in order to deliver a great sound in the ground. Wembley like the other 'national stadium' ; Twickenham, though is a pit of despair aurally... It makes difference.

Having also read the season ticket renewal statement (released by THFC yesterday), which included the large additional season ticket allocation that Spurs are releasing in the Wembley season ahead of homecoming in order that when they return to the new WHL the additional season ticket seats are pretty much pre-filled, it feels that they are risking splitting the groups that currently make up the main support crews in each stand. They are proposing that you can request a re-allocation, but they don't have anything in place to apply to sit together en-masse... though the suggestion is you will be sat with others from your block, but not row. This will possibly mean delivering an awkward group of fans in the start of the Wembley season and again the start of the new WHL season the year after.

As the years passed and football started to pick-up again in popularity... and Spurs actually finished in UEFA positions again rather than 8th! I have distinct memories of those Cup and European night games sounding and feeling very different at WHL when less ST and more general admissions turned up... This has the makings of a similar atmosphere; which is a concern.

Away games are totally different and cannot be compared to the Wembley situation at all. In the main you can only attend an away game if you're an ST holder, or have enough points built up on your account to get a ticket, so again, the main body of support know the team and the team know them. Wembley (as above) is c60k more supporters so the 30k home fans or much smaller away fans are drowned out at Wembley by the occasional TV fan that is having a big day/night out with his mates. Its not impossible to get it right, over time it will happen, but its not going to be straight forward and I for that one season at Wembley isn't long enough to bed in, certainly not in the first half of the season.

Add in to all of the above the opposition coming to play their cup final at Wembley and its not going be easy.

I'm not expecting utter doom and gloom at all, but I am cautious that atmosphere is a bigger part of a game than many give credit for.
 
Good points Savory

It's no coincidence that both Arsenal and Spurs had dire CL campaigns when using Wembley (old and new)

I'm genuinely amazed that Spurs have decided to play all their home games there. There is a real risk of not capitalising on such a great team and this year's run by losing that 'home' advantage.
 
It's not all bad though, Chelsea are booked in to use Wembley as a 'home' ground the season after Spuds. Fingers crossed it shafts them lol.

On that note, anyone seen the ehhh "video" of what is supposedly (it isn't actually) John Terry's mum!? Dear god it's grim.
Ps, if you're going to Google it, best not do it at work, or on any device your missus/family use.
 
Only saw the last 10 mins but it sounds like Spurs got "Liverpool-ed". The other team sat back and gave them the ball and most of the pitch but Spuds cudnt break them down and then they commited some shambolic defending (i did see Alderweirld sell the puppies in his own box) and they got caught out.

Title "race" was over before tonight. You cn start engraving Chelsea's name on it now though.
 
Actually credit to West Ham, it was end to end stuff for most of the game and although WH's goal was more down to comical defending than great attacking, they were the better team throughout.

Obviously the papers etc are full of "you've done it again" nonsense today but the truth is the title challenge wasn't lost last night, and it wasn't lost against Chelsea or Newcastle at the end of last season either. Spurs blew it at the beginning of the season with all those draws. Spurs have got 27 out of a possible 30 points in the last 10 games which is better than any other team, but it's meaningless if you don't take the shitty games at the beginning of the season seriously. They didn't "bottle it", no team wins every game as Chelsea proved against Palace, the change Spurs need to make is at the beginning of next season. If they are mid table at Christmas again they won't win the title, it's as simple as that.

What I can't quite grasp is why West Ham were celebrating so much. Why do they want Chelsea to win the title? Everyone got behind the underdogs Leicester last season, why would any other London team want Chelsea to win the title when they're already the most successful team of recent years?
 
Bloody Chelsea winning the league again shows how much player power their is now in the Permeir League after last season. Still I would rather Chelsea win it than Man City or Liverpool, just hope Juventus win the European Cup. Don't think I can handle Ramos winning it again. :lol:
 
edd_jedi said:
What I can't quite grasp is why West Ham were celebrating so much. Why do they want Chelsea to win the title? Everyone got behind the underdogs Leicester last season, why would any other London team want Chelsea to win the title when they're already the most successful team of recent years?

I turned over as soon as the full time whistle went, but I can't see why anyone, bar maybe Arsenal fans, would rather see Chelsea win it than Spurs. Chelsea are not an easy club to like. Quite the opposite. Their fans don't exactly have a great reputation, and they have employed some pretty horrible human beings, good footballers and managers but horrible people (Terry, Cole, Drogba, Jose, Avram Grant etc).

theforceuk said:
Still I would rather Chelsea win it than Man City or Liverpool, just hope Juventus win the European Cup. Don't think I can handle Ramos winning it again. :lol:

Weirdly, I'd rather see Liverpool winning it. You ALMOST sound like a Utd fan :wink: :lol:

Right with you on not wanting Real to win the CL. I despite that club, they are the epitomy of the worst aspects of Utd, Chelsea, City all rolled in to one. If I was able to view Utd from a non-Liverpool supporting point of view (and I hadnt spent 20 years listening to various Man U fans, and legions of glory hunters, gloating) I would probably say Real are the most dislikeable club in world football. I really struggle to think of a single redeeming feature about that club.
 
Have I missed something- Joe Cole and Uncle Average Grant horrible people? :lol:

There is much more rivalry between West Ham U and Spurs than with Chelsea. We have had a very disappointing season, so to beat Spurs at home and play so well after all the shite is brilliant. There was a similar atmosphere and reaction after we knocked Chelsea out of the league cup, but last night, the ground was rocking- was the first time that it really felt like home to a lot of the fans.
 
Yeah the atmosphere was great last night which kind of quashes the argument about the stadium being too big
 
Yeah, certainly not too big. Just needs some rejigging with the 'retractable' seating etc.

An insightful snippet from The Telegraph:

"When it was over Bilic hugged his assistants and it was an understandable outpouring of relief as well as celebration because he knows the pressure, the scrutiny has been growing on him during this difficult season in which West Ham have changed their stadium, lost their best player, Dimitri Payet, been stung again with injuries – Andy Carroll was once again unavailable – and disappointing signings to such an extent that there is a significant question mark as to whether the manager will survive.

He deserves to. He deserves to anyway without this result but here was evidence, if evidence was needed, that he is the right man for West Ham as he demanded a display of bite and commitment and bravery also – taking the game to Spurs – and got it. There could be no quibble over the result, the same result as West Ham achieved last season as they also helped derail Spurs challenge."

Totally disagree with people saying Spurs have bottled it. They've had a brilliant season and are comfortably the second best team in the division.
 
Cazza said:
Have I missed something- Joe Cole and Uncle Average Grant horrible people? :lol:


Not Joe. Ashley "I nearly crashed the car when I heard they were ONLY offering 50k a week" Cole. As for Avram, yes i was caught banging whores but here's my super injunction so you can't report it.......
 
edd_jedi said:
Actually credit to West Ham, it was end to end stuff for most of the game and although WH's goal was more down to comical defending than great attacking, they were the better team throughout.

Obviously the papers etc are full of "you've done it again" nonsense today but the truth is the title challenge wasn't lost last night, and it wasn't lost against Chelsea or Newcastle at the end of last season either. Spurs blew it at the beginning of the season with all those draws. Spurs have got 27 out of a possible 30 points in the last 10 games which is better than any other team, but it's meaningless if you don't take the shitty games at the beginning of the season seriously. They didn't "bottle it", no team wins every game as Chelsea proved against Palace, the change Spurs need to make is at the beginning of next season. If they are mid table at Christmas again they won't win the title, it's as simple as that.

What I can't quite grasp is why West Ham were celebrating so much. Why do they want Chelsea to win the title? Everyone got behind the underdogs Leicester last season, why would any other London team want Chelsea to win the title when they're already the most successful team of recent years?

The win meant they stayed up Edd - can't imagine Hammers want either Spurs or Chelsea to win the league.

Explains the celebrations though
 
weasel said:
Cazza said:
Have I missed something- Joe Cole and Uncle Average Grant horrible people? :lol:


Not Joe. Ashley "I nearly crashed the car when I heard they were ONLY offering 50k a week" Cole. As for Avram, yes i was caught banging whores but here's my super injunction so you can't report it.......

Ah, of course. Agreed, Ashley Cole is indeed a horrible little oik :lol:

I guess Baron Greenback has got to try and get some somehow...
 
Aye, and not like his looks or sparkling personality will do it for him. A more dour faced miserable bastard you'd struggle to find. Even Wenger is cherrier than him!
 
weasel said:
Fingers crossed Southampton stick to form and actually try and play football cos after watching Liverpool "play" WBA, Palace and Watford it'd be nice to see a game were the ball didn't spend half the time in the air and one team wasn't sat in its own half trying to kick anything that moved.

:roll:
I should learn to shut the **** up.

That Pool game was one of the worst I have seen in a long time. I've had more exciting root canals. Saints didn't quite boot anything that moved. They set up very defensively and stuck to their game plan. Credit to them for that. Their central midfield 2/3 showed fantastic discipline. Pool were atrocious though. SOOOOO slow. Breaking down a packed defence isn't rocket science, fast paced passing and movement. The last thing you wanna do is take 27 touches when 2 will do and pass it sideways and backwards all day long. Which was exactly what Liverpool did. The penalty was never a pen, so justice that it was saved. Though personally I don't like seeing keepers doing what Forster did. I'd book him for that. Ditto players who stand right in front of a free kick stopping it being taken quickly. Hockey has a rule that you must get five as soon as the free is given, if not it's a card. Football would do well to take that on board. Jurgen really needs to either think of a plan B, or at least light a rocket under his team as that is 5 or 6 games in a row where they have been ponderously slow. If they make CL it is by default.

As for Utd and Arsenal, the least bad side won. The game was miles better than that Liverpool game. But that's like saying being kicked in the balls is better than being decapitated.
Arsenal still look like a poor side. Utd look worse. Yes, Jose made changes but 7/8 of those who started were in the 11 who played the most games under LVG last year (and that side finished higher) so it was hardly a weakened side. Tho Wazza did play so they effectively played with 10.
I feel sorry for Rooney, in spite the fact he is a blue who spent most of his career playing for Utd. He has reached the stage where he isn't even a pale shadow of the player he was. It's almost as if Utd have found a great look alike and have been playing him for the last 18 months.
The guy was always a form player, amazing or shite, but he was has been getting progressively worse for 2-3 years now. He was head and shoulders the worst player on the pitch on Sunday. He slows all Utd's attacking moves down, he doesn't have the legs to get into position of cover defensively and he sure as hell can't tackle. Any thoughts of him becoming a Pirlo-esque play maker are as delusional as Susan Boyle dreaming of being Miss World.
It's sad seeing someone who WAS a great player, now dragging his blatantly unfit and knackered arse round a pitch and trying to kid himself he can still contribute when he's patently done.
I'm actually not even sure he is PL class any more. On the evidence of Sunday Everton would be mad to take him in the summer, even if it is on a free.
Do the decent thing Wazza, retire and go out to stud. Just think of all that extra time you'll have for nailing grannies!

Ohh and for the record, NONE of Utd, Arsneal or Pool deserev to be near the CL. All three sides are the definition of mediocre. City are only marginally better, and that's purely due to their massive bank balance allowing them a deeper squad. Even they have huge issues.
 
Yeah surprised by that result. So I think that means Klopp, Mourhino and Guardiola have all now done worse than the sacked managers they replaced.

Looks like Chelsea have it sewn up now but who knows, Chelsea losing to West Brom is about as unlikely as Spurs losing to Newcastle.
 
edd_jedi said:
Yeah surprised by that result. So I think that means Klopp, Mourhino and Guardiola have all now done worse than the sacked managers they replaced.

Not sure on Klopp, he took over midway through last season and Pool were an utter shambles under BR that season. No arguments that the other two have underachieved massively though.
 
According to this, but it is the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39838094
 
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