Palitoy 12 & 20 Back Questions?

[Sparky P]

Seems to me you've already got an established collection, Anthony!!!!!!

Don't be shy, let's see em!

 

[Palifan]

Hi Ian

I thought you were joking from the tone of the response, I just rattle on a bit sometimes and irritate people accidentally.

Which other auction houses were you referring too?

Thanks[/quote]


This is one auction house that springs to mind I know sold vintage Star Wars last year - http://www.astonsauctioneers.co.uk

There are others as well that people have mentioned from time to time on here so it's definitely worth looking around. I managed to pick up a 12 back Palitoy Luke,Darth, R2 and C3PO years ago in one that was local to me in Bristol several years ago (as well as a bunch of mint loose figures years later), so it's always worth looking outside of eBay. Also it's probably worth checking the US eBay site as well as Palitoy figures do turn up on there like this one - http://www.ebay.com/itm/STAR-WARS-PALITOY-GREEDO-20-BACK-/201787779055?hash=item2efb7d27ef:g:wE0AAOSwzaJYBwbD.

Ian

 

[Wreck-It Ralph]

Seems to me you've already got an established collection, Anthony!!!!!!

Don't be shy, let's see em!

I will happily post them on the site once I get time and work out how you do it as it sounds a little tricky. I was hoping too have at least the first 20 figures on Palitoy before posting and hopefully some more 30 backs.

I will post them as soon as i can.

Thanks

 

[wrighty]

Seems to me you've already got an established collection, Anthony!!!!!!

Don't be shy, let's see em!

I will happily post them on the site once I get time and work out how you do it as it sounds a little tricky. I was hoping too have at least the first 20 figures on Palitoy before posting and hopefully some more 30 backs.

I will post them as soon as i can.

Thanks

Easier than you think!! http://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=31839

 

[maxf]

Palitoy 12, 20 and 30 backs are far more available than they have been in years (I tried to put a set together in about 2001 and really struggled), most 12 and 20 backs and a good slug of the first wave of 30 backs have been seen in multiples over the past couple of years.

I'd rank: Chewie, Luke, Jawa, Ben, Powerdroid and Death Star Droid in the first 20 as being tough still and worth jumping on if you have the opportunity. The others can be bought more cheaply from numerous sellers, if you're patient. Jawa didnt used to be rare, but seems to be one which hasn't surfaced in as great quantities as the others.

On the 30 backs, Bossk, IG-88, White Bespin Guard and FX-7 are all tough. Hoth Stormtrooper sits in the middle, while the rest have all been seen in multiples lately.

The second release of 30bks arent easy at all. 2-1B and Lobot used to come up a bit, but Yoda and Fett are both really tough.

On the 41 bks, I dont think any of the 11 'first release' (fett, yoda etc) characters are crazy rare - I think I've seen less Leia Hoths than others. The 20bk release characters (Powerdroid etc) are all incredibly rare and some of the first 12 are easier than others.

I'm going for the first 12/20 on SW cards. The first 10 ESB on 30bk cards, the next 11 on 41bk cards and the rest on 45a. It's going to take years and years!

 

[palitoyjunky]

It's also important to realise that having the big bucks alone won't guarantee u the super toughies. The examples in existence r virtually all locked away in beloved collections.

Luck timing and indeed plenty of patience will play a massive part to success. Also building good friendships with fellow collectors is the way to go anyway regardless of personal gain

 

[sith-smith]

All the figures are in far greater numbers than were thought back in the early 2000's.

At the same time more people have been collecting them so they still seem tough to get as competition can be fierce and as always, a lot of sales happen out of the public view.

Max...you'd rank Jawa that hard...compared to Leia and Han? It used to be one of the cards people would struggle to get rid of...along with Sandperson and C3P0. I guess it is always possible that he was in fact as tough as the others just not in as much demand.

I agree on the 30 backs (my list is on the previous page I think). WBG used to be the toughest on the first 10, but that position seems to change depending on what crazy prices one of them hits (e.g. that £7k+ FX7) and how many people say they are after the same ones... which currently seems to put 30a Bossk nearer the top!

The imperial commander and AT AT driver are 2 cards that actually have proven very difficult for people to track down. Han Bespin used to be considered very tough along with Yoda and Fett has always been the toughest of the lot...though there are probably more of him out there than people think.

The second set of ESB characters on 41 are mostly achievable. Some pricey ones in there (Fett and Yoda) but these are far more common and cheaper than the 30 back equivalent. A quick glance on eBay found 3 of them (Lobot, Imp Com and HRC)

The first 10 are far tougher. Lando, Bossk are probably the toughest by far, followed by WBG and Luke.

Definitely the 12-20-30-41-45a style run would look awesome Max 8)

 

[maxf]

Max...you'd rank Jawa that hard...compared to Leia and Han? It used to be one of the cards people would struggle to get rid of...along with Sandperson and C3P0. I guess it is always possible that he was in fact as tough as the others just not in as much demand.

It just seems that fewer Jawas have surfaced recently compared to other figures - same could be said for Ben I think. There are a few Han and Leia 12bks around - I certainly could have had my pick of a few of other at various grades/prices but I didnt have that opportunity for the Jawa.

The point you make about 'it depentds' is spot on though - it probably was just at the time I did my run (last year), a few of us had stalled at Jawa, making it seem rarer than the reality.

I never got my head around why the 30a Bossk and IG-88 would be so rare. They were cool enough figures not to be short packed, but not so recognisable in the films that every kid had to have one (Vader, Luke etc). It's really an odd one.

 

[steve obi wan]

I would agree about the Jawa , that wee bugger doesn't come up often !!

 

[sith-smith]

I guess it all comes down to what we're looking for...that last one is always the toughest!!

I had Fett, Yoda Bossk and IG88 before I got the WBG and AT AT driver!!

The only way to be really sure is by the shared experiences of many collectors going for the same pieces over a long period of time.

But the general feeling in my experience of talking to collectors going for these since early 2000's (and that would include chatting with you Max all those years ago), the ones we've suggested as tough have been the standard experience.

I think grouping (hardest group, tough group etc) them is probably the best way rather than a definitive 1-20 list. WBG, FX7 IG88 HST and Bossk have always been very tough, and much tougher than the next group. However the relative toughness within that group changes.

And while more WBG, HST etc have shown up in recent years...more of the easier ones have too, which tends to keep it in balance.

 

[Wreck-It Ralph]

Palitoy 12, 20 and 30 backs are far more available than they have been in years (I tried to put a set together in about 2001 and really struggled), most 12 and 20 backs and a good slug of the first wave of 30 backs have been seen in multiples over the past couple of years.

I'd rank: Chewie, Luke, Jawa, Ben, Powerdroid and Death Star Droid in the first 20 as being tough still and worth jumping on if you have the opportunity. The others can be bought more cheaply from numerous sellers, if you're patient. Jawa didnt used to be rare, but seems to be one which hasn't surfaced in as great quantities as the others.

On the 30 backs, Bossk, IG-88, White Bespin Guard and FX-7 are all tough. Hoth Stormtrooper sits in the middle, while the rest have all been seen in multiples lately.

The second release of 30bks arent easy at all. 2-1B and Lobot used to come up a bit, but Yoda and Fett are both really tough.

On the 41 bks, I dont think any of the 11 'first release' (fett, yoda etc) characters are crazy rare - I think I've seen less Leia Hoths than others. The 20bk release characters (Powerdroid etc) are all incredibly rare and some of the first 12 are easier than others.

I'm going for the first 12/20 on SW cards. The first 10 ESB on 30bk cards, the next 11 on 41bk cards and the rest on 45a. It's going to take years and years!

Hi

The 12, 20 and 30 back figures that have come up for sale over the past couple of years, where were they sold?

I currently look on here, ebay.co.uk and .com, vectis and speak to some dealers is there anywhere else you would recommend?

Thanks for your help.

 

[Wreck-It Ralph]

Hi

Sorry I forgot to ask what would you expect to pay for a Jawa, Chewbacca or Ben with an 85 grade?

Thanks

 

[Wreck-It Ralph]

Hi Ian

I thought you were joking from the tone of the response, I just rattle on a bit sometimes and irritate people accidentally.

Which other auction houses were you referring too?

Thanks

This is one auction house that springs to mind I know sold vintage Star Wars last year - http://www.astonsauctioneers.co.uk

There are others as well that people have mentioned from time to time on here so it's definitely worth looking around. I managed to pick up a 12 back Palitoy Luke,Darth, R2 and C3PO years ago in one that was local to me in Bristol several years ago (as well as a bunch of mint loose figures years later), so it's always worth looking outside of eBay. Also it's probably worth checking the US eBay site as well as Palitoy figures do turn up on there like this one - http://www.ebay.com/itm/STAR-WARS-PALITOY-GREEDO-20-BACK-/201787779055?hash=item2efb7d27ef:g:wE0AAOSwzaJYBwbD.

Ian[/quote]

Hi

The link to the Greedo you sent me, in your opinion based on the pictures what grade do you think that figure would get with UKG?

If buying an ungraded figure from ebay are there any specific questions I should be asking the seller?

Do you know how much tax will be added if I purchase a figure from the states and bring it into the UK? Does that put you off buying from the states?

Thanks for your help.

 

[Palifan]

Hi Ian

I thought you were joking from the tone of the response, I just rattle on a bit sometimes and irritate people accidentally.

Which other auction houses were you referring too?

Thanks

This is one auction house that springs to mind I know sold vintage Star Wars last year - http://www.astonsauctioneers.co.uk

There are others as well that people have mentioned from time to time on here so it's definitely worth looking around. I managed to pick up a 12 back Palitoy Luke,Darth, R2 and C3PO years ago in one that was local to me in Bristol several years ago (as well as a bunch of mint loose figures years later), so it's always worth looking outside of eBay. Also it's probably worth checking the US eBay site as well as Palitoy figures do turn up on there like this one - http://www.ebay.com/itm/STAR-WARS-PALITOY-GREEDO-20-BACK-/201787779055?hash=item2efb7d27ef:g:wE0AAOSwzaJYBwbD.

Ian

Hi

The link to the Greedo you sent me, in your opinion based on the pictures what grade do you think that figure would get with UKG?

If buying an ungraded figure from ebay are there any specific questions I should be asking the seller?

Do you know how much tax will be added if I purchase a figure from the states and bring it into the UK? Does that put you off buying from the states?

Thanks for your help.[/quote]

I'm going to say it might get somewhere between a 75-80 grade based on what I've seen before due to some edge wear and a paper vein on the front of the card. The bubble looks to be good but I've got a feeling that the card back can effect the grading most (not sure how true that is though).

As for the other questions I think there are others who have far more dealings with sellers in these areas so hopefully they can help out.

The main thing with grading is that you know what you're getting although some collectors just like ungraded items. For yourself grading maybe more important but if a pretty mint moc came up for sale at the right price I'd say it would be worth going for as the ungraded ones do tend to go for cheaper than graded.

Hope someone on here can help you out some more.

Ian

 

[palitoyjunky]

Hi

Sorry I forgot to ask what would you expect to pay for a Jawa, Chewbacca or Ben with an 85 grade?

Thanks

Prob is people ask stupid money for 85 and above grades :!: U will b looking at between 2.5-3.5K for a top graded Ben, the Jawa has gone stupid, an almost 90 graded example sold private for over 3K last year when I was putting my set together 8 years ago a mint 12 back Jawa was a £500 piece.
Chewie has fluctuated a bit. In early 2013 a new bench mark was set for Chewie as a near mint ungraded one sold on eBay auction style 99p start for 5.6K :!: At that time Chewie seemed near impossible to find and it was highlighted as a set completer i.e. the one most incomplete sets were missing. Before that Chewie was a £1.5-2K piece. Today ur looking at 4K+ for a mint Chewie, but no doubt the seller of an 85 grade will b demanding over 5K :!:

One way to go is get good knowledge/experience so u can perhaps buy ungraded examples having a real good idea what they will grade and sending them off for grading urself. Prob is these days much top end condition stuff is graded-it's actually pretty rare to find ungraded mint pieces on the open market :!: One major reason for this is over the past few years dealers and wheeler dealers have made their mark up by getting their stock graded and they have done Incredibly well.

 

[maxf]

I think the £3k jawa was a massive anomaly (well done to the seller!)- firstly it was almost a 90, and secondly I know about 5 collectors back then all needed a jawa to finish their run and they'd all put big money in to a run over a few months. I think the vectis one before that went way cheaper and a less perfect one was touted around for months at £500. I'd be more in the £1200-£1500 for a decent one these days - and even the £1500 is about the same money as a Han, which should be rarer.

Gary is right - a jawa really used to be common so they are out there, somewhere.

Its definitely going to be an interesting time collecting - who knows what vectis still have and what's in the pipeline!

 

[sith-smith]

I would argue that the Jawa is still amongst the most common of 12 backs. A fair number have gone through vectis recently. 1 goes for stupid money...next few are still high but usually a lot lower...think they went around 1.4k, then prices return to normalish.

Same thing happened with that Vectis FX7...7k+ for some bizarre reason, then the next few all sold for half that, one even went for under 1k.

I remember when I was looking for a Jawa I was spoilt for choice. I turned down loads because the condition wasn't what I wanted - essentially mint unpunched

They are out there. Just because loads may not appear publically, I can guarantee lots sell privately. All my 12/20 and 30 back debut cards came from private sales - apart from, funnily enough, my Jawa - which came from eBay. :lol:

 

[palitoyjunky]

Totally agree on the Jawa being overpriced today! It just seems to b in vogue at present hence well over hyped! But they defo exist in much higher numbers than the tough 12s:!:
If I were doing it all over again today I would prob stretch to £1100 and it would have to b like my old £500 example, an A1 minter mate :!:

 

[Sparky P]

Well if anyone wants to sell me a jawa at the prices quoted, hit me up!!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

I haven't been able to find one in a decent condition for the last six months. Previously there were a couple that I think are referred to in this thread, but they were out of my price range.

 

[Wreck-It Ralph]

Hi

Does the rarity of the Jawa dictate its value or the what the last one sold for?

Kenner Vinyl Caped Jawa's and 21 Back Fett's aren't particularly rare but demand huge prices for an 85 grade so what dictates thier price?

I understand some figure values are largely determined by rarity 30 Back Fett, Palitoy Vinyl Caped Jawa, Kenner Ben Telescopic etc. but this is not the case with all figures so is the Palitoy Jawa one of these examples expensive but not rare?

If I am looking to purchase a Palitoy Jawa today what is the market price I should be looking to pay?