england euro squad

[jabbawokkie]

he prob picked best he could really
i play lescott with terry plus johnson and cole
downing gerrard barry young
up front not sure while rooney out but prob would have gone for some one else over welbeck and defoe

 

[jabbawokkie]

unless he plays lampard and pushs gerrard up more

still wont make it out group stages

 

[spoons]

he prob picked best he could really
i play lescott with terry plus johnson and cole
downing gerrard barry young
up front not sure while rooney out but prob would have gone for some one else over welbeck and defoe

Downing

I thought even scousers thought he was ****

 

[jabbawokkie]

he prob picked best he could really
i play lescott with terry plus johnson and cole
downing gerrard barry young
up front not sure while rooney out but prob would have gone for some one else over welbeck and defoe

Downing

I thought even scousers thought he was ****

they say he has no assists but doesnt the guy he passed to have to score and no one was banging em in for liverpool last season.plus theree not many faster

 

[PGowdy]

He's making 3 huge mistakes.
1. Taking Garard and Lamps = Win absolutely nothing. I have tapes to prove this.
2. Talking Downing instead of Lennon. Lennon on his day is spellbinding. He can go past any defender and would have made a great 'last 15 minutes' sub. Downing has very little of anything.
3. Taking no goals Andy Carroll. Andy Carroll has had a poor season by any striker's standards and shows a lack of confidence in all parts of his game. Crouch should have gone instead. He has done it for England time and time again and links up well with Rooney and Defo. Defo and Crouch should have been the starting 2 when Rooney's serving his ban. Carroll might be good in 1-2 years but he certainly isn't now. Would you wnat him in your team??

 

[weasel]

Pete,

I'd probably agree with your first point. Although, I'd also say only taking one (doesn't matter which) won't change the fact you'll win FA!

I agree totally with the second one. I wouldn't have even considered Downing. I don't think he's a terrible player, just a solid PL standard player, no more. Ie not International class.

I would have taken Carroll. He actually would have been one of my first picks as a striker. Not cos I think he is the second coming. He has had a disppointing season, partly his fault partly cos Liverpool keep trying to pretend he's the same sort of player as Torres. For some strange reason a six foot four battering ram doesn't want to play on the shoulder of the last defender! He's more of a Drogba than a Torres. Hit it up to him and he'll hold it up.
Saying that England's options up front are as bad as I can remember. With Rooney banned for two games (I would have genuinely considered not taking him) you're left with Bent, who has been out for 3 months and will be rusty as hell, you need a striker who can hit the ground running when Rooney is out. Defoe who has been keeping the bench warm. But he is a finisher and I would have taken him just for a body to throw on in an emergency when you need a goal. Wellbeck/Sturridge, both young and inconsistent. I suspect both will be great players, and England squad regulars in the future but I don't think either are ready to lead the line yet. Crouchy......I do rate. I do feel he has been harshly treated through out his career. He looks ungamely as hell and thus gets laughed at rather than getting the credit he deserves (that goal the other week was superb). But I don't know that I would 100% faith in him even if paired with Defoe to go for the big man wee man thing.

I probably would have taken (in no order), Carroll, Defoe, and then 2 from Rooney/Crouch and Wellbeck. But there really isn't much in the way of options!

 

[PGowdy]

I do agree with the first point and in my original post when i chose a team i explained why taking one of them is sadly necessary. If Wilshire was fit neither should go. Taking both, especially if he's planning on starting them together is the worst decision this manager could make. I'd rather have Terry and Bridge in the same team. :lol: We will win nothing with those two playing and their fear, negativity, lack of self confidence and general ora of terror when they play for england will spread through the team and we'll play exactly as we did in WC 2010 where we were without doubt one of the worst 3 or 4 teams in the competition along with France and Greece. If he uses Frank as a last 10 minute impact player then ok... i guess. :roll:
Oh, and as a side note, Terry is going to make horrible mistakes that cost us goals in crucial games. Just as he has done for Chelsea of late. Another man who obviously should be going. He plays in a team who finished 6 and did so mainly because they couldn't defend and half their defence will be suring england up this summer. Jeee-zus!! :roll: :roll:

 

[weasel]

I'm happy to swap with any of you guys if you want!?
I'm 33 and I've never seen my country play in a major championship, and I'm not likely to either. Ever!
I'd love for us to qualify for EC/WC even if we finish last in our group and lose all our games 100-0, just the chance to see my lot in a tournament.


PS, Mexico '86 doesn't count, as I was 7 years old and given the time difference and my age I very much doubt I saw any of the games or had even the faintest idea it was on.

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

Lamps Injured then and Scootty Parker struggling to be fit!

And they Bring in Henderson :roll: who has had a dismal season! WTF :?

 

[weasel]

I'm guessing that the pictures he has of Kenny in a compromising position (why else would we pay 20million for him AND play him every week) must also involve Roy!

I just hope it isn't a three some with Brendan Rodgers or we're ****ed! Lol

 

[poncho]

cahill is looking doubtful...

 

[weasel]

He's out mate.
Double jaw fracture.

Kelly from Liverpool called in as cover. Rio isn't a happy camper!

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

****n Hell! I really feel sorry for Rio atm! :shock:

Come on Rio has bucket loads more experience and know how than kelly! :?

 

[jabbawokkie]

rios to slow

 

[itfciain]

To be fair, people were saying in the run up to the tournament that we had no chance and were better looking towards the World Cup in Brazil. If this is the case then he is right to call up the likes of Henderson, Butland and Kelly rather than the older ones like Carrick and Rio.

Richards must feel like a bit of a plonker, refusing to be on standby and to be honest I have no sympathy with him - most of us would give their right bollock to be anywhere near that squad

 

[PGowdy]

Richards is brilliant but i agree, he was a nob to say he wouldn't be a "stand-by" so **** him. That's his england career pretty much over. Well done. Twat.
With regards to Rio not being picked, let's stop fooling ourselves, this gas NOTHING to do with his age or speed. It's about Terry's racist remarks against Rio's brother and the issue Rio has with that. Roy Hodgson doesn't believe both players can be in the same squad, and actually it's common knowledge now that he's right. But i think in picking the despicable and WAY WAY past his best, John Terry he has made the wrong decision both morally and as it happens for England. Personally i think it's ****ing scandalous. I could almost understand it if Terry was awesome but the guy's a ****ing defensive liability in a team that finished 6th in the premier league. Rio, at least, plays for a team that challenged for the premier league and bar a 94th minute goal would have won it. Saying that Rio isn't one of the best 6 defenders in the league is beyond absurd and is unarguably an implausibly incorrect opinion for anyone with even a passing interest in football. Cahill getting injured meant only one thing... Roy Hodgson's REAL reasons for leaving Rio out became very clear. KELLY?? Do me a ****ing favour. What a shambles.

 

[jackabina]

The Richards thing is unfortunate more than anything. It's the Carrager situation all over again :roll:
I personally can understand it from both sides. He should however have taken into account the new manager.
As for Rio/Terry-gate, They're both past it, neither should be going.
Pete - making comparisons between the seasons they had, are you serious mate. Rio won **** all with Man u, and Terry picked up the Champ's league and the FA cup.
Richards is the nearest thing to Tony Adams we've had for years. I'm sure the right approach would win him back over.

 

[weasel]

I agree with most of what's been said.

Rio is definitely one the best 3 or 4 (english) centre backs in the league and on merit he should have gone. BUT.....The whole JT racism thing is only part of the reason. As Pete says, having both of them in one squad would be suicidal. I think Fergy coming out and saying Rio couldn't play 2 games in a week was effectively the nail in the coffin for his international career. If he's not gonna be able to play more than 2 group games (first and last) he's not much use in major tournament. No team wants to have to change it's CB pairing every other game. While his experience would have been useful, especially if one of the first choice pairing got injured, the disruption caused by having him in the squad isn't worth it.
Plus, you aint gonna win this tournament (not that you were ever realistic contenders for any of the last 5 or 6, sorry to break it to you, but your media were hyping up a bunch of over paid, under motivated, spoilt little rich boys.) so why not take a few players who will be some use in the WC in 2 years! Will Rio/JT be any use then!? I very much doubt it. Ditto Lampard and prob Gerrard/Barry etc.

Agreed on Micah Richards. That's his England career on ice for a few years till his snub is forgotten. Had he agreed to be a stand by, he would prob be a decent bet to be starting now!

PS CHELSEA picked up the CL! John Terry did his best to get them knocked out in the Nou Camp, and WTF was that BS about "he backed into me"? You ****ed up John you pathetic excuse for a person, just hold your hands up and admit it.

 

[PGowdy]

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PS CHELSEA picked up the CL! John Terry did his best to get them knocked out in the Nou Camp, and WTF was that BS about "he backed into me"? You ****ed up John you pathetic excuse for a person, just hold your hands up and admit it.

Exactly what i was gonna say! Saying Chelsea/JT won 2 trophies and Man U won nothing ergo- Terry good/Rio not. Is twisting it massively.
Untwisted version- Man U or Chelsea better? Man U by a long long way. Man U's or Chelsea's defence better? Man U conceded 33 goals this season. Quite a lot for a team finishing 2nd. Chelsea conceded 48... FORTY EIGHT! Sunderland who finished 13th only shipped 47.
I'm not saying Terry's not good on his day but several times this season he put in shocking performances for Chelsea and was and fault for many goals. Against Liverpool (think they lost 4-1) he was at fault for 3 of them and was really showing his age and lack of pace. And as Weasel said, Chelsea did well to grind their way to winning the Champions league but without Terry it would have been a lot easier. That is indisputable.

 

[weasel]

That 4-1 kicking Liverpool gave them at Anfield towards the end of the season was a humiliation for JT. Sure, it was a weakened Chelsea side, no arguments there, (mind you a "full strength" Liverpool team was hardly a prospect to strike fear into many top PL sides last season! Actually, scratch that, it wasn't a prospect to strike fear into ANY PL sides last season!) but Andy Carroll tore him apart.
Think of what Torres, at his peak, did to Vidic in a couple of the Pool V's United games from 3 or 4 years ago.........only this was worse.
Torres, at that time was one of the hottest strikers in European football, Andy Carroll, ehhh isn't!

JT was the worst player on the pitch that night! I was actually embarrassed for him. The rest of the Chelsea team were carrying him. If you play a weakened side you don't expect your skipper and most experienced player to be the worst on the pitch! Sure, everyone has bad days, but this was something else. For me it just confirmed JT is very much on the downward slope (as are Rio, Lampard, Gerrard etc).