Big day tomorrow at Vectis

Those estimates do seem a little high in places especially as some of them aren't quite box fresh condition. That said though I wouldn't be surprised to see them all go somewhere in that estimate range looking at recent sales. One thing I was wonder was if they won't be sold if they don't hit the lower estimate, does anybody know?

Hope Craig does as well as he can though and that Vectis hasn't priced potential buyers out with some of their estimates.

Ian
 
Palifan said:
Those estimates do seem a little high in places especially as some of them aren't quite box fresh condition. That said though I wouldn't be surprised to see them all go somewhere in that estimate range looking at recent sales. One thing I was wonder was if they won't be sold if they don't hit the lower estimate, does anybody know?

Hope Craig does as well as he can though and that Vectis hasn't priced potential buyers out with some of their estimates.

Ian

It has to get something like 80% of the lower estimate to sell iirc.

Presumably the seller and vectis sit down and agree the estimates? No way people are going to let vectis determine things on their own, I certainly wouldn't.

We need Craig! :lol:

Chris
 
jedisearcher said:
Palifan said:
Those estimates do seem a little high in places especially as some of them aren't quite box fresh condition. That said though I wouldn't be surprised to see them all go somewhere in that estimate range looking at recent sales. One thing I was wonder was if they won't be sold if they don't hit the lower estimate, does anybody know?

Hope Craig does as well as he can though and that Vectis hasn't priced potential buyers out with some of their estimates.

Ian

It has to get something like 80% of the lower estimate to sell iirc.

Presumably the seller and vectis sit down and agree the estimates? No way people are going to let vectis determine things on their own, I certainly wouldn't.

We need Craig! :lol:

That percentage makes sense then at those prices, I get the feeling that they'll sell and hopefully there will be a few collectors out there who will get closer to completing their collection. Some times it's worth paying the price just so you can finally stop hunting for that one piece....well that's if you've got some spare cash set aside for it.

Ian

Chris
 
I'm very confident with the auction estimates that I worked out with Vectis. The MOCs from The Empire Strikes Back that I have up for auction are absolutely beautiful pieces, ones which I believe that collectors will truly want to own.

I get the feeling that collectors are beginning to realise that the chances to add 30 backs in particular to their collections are becoming ever more remote, especially as people with genuine money begin to adopt the hobby. As buying back your childhood becomes ever more popular, prices are just going to skyrocket to the extremely high thousands of pounds.

I am anxious to explain what we all know, that Lando Calrissian had a smile painted on his face on all later releases. The debut figure that I am selling is the only time he was released without the smile. Also the pictures on the backing cards of Luke Skywalker in Bespin Fatigues and Princess Leia in Bespin outfit were changed forever mere months after these particular figures were released. That in itself is an incredible rarity in my book and why I have always cherished these figures in particular.

Thanks everyone for the interest in this auction. Whatever happens, it's due to be quite a ride.

Craig.
 
Indeed Craig! Luke Bes 30 back with the walking photo is prob my fav 30 back!
However it is actually a more common 30 back relatively speaking of course :!:
Now you try and get hold of the looking photo 30 back Luke Bespin-the 30 back B card :!: :!: One of the rarest 30 backs of the Empire characters with currently only 2 known examples :shock:

The other wk I was in the presence of both of them 8) :D

The 30A Leia Bespin is also another realistically getable 30 back with the B card front shot photo example being considerably harder to find-but no way near as tough as the Luke :!:

The £5000 max estimates on both the Luke and Leia 30As therefore IMO are well OTT estimates :!: However in today's market who knows what they will fetch as an AFA triple 85 Luke Bes A card did sell on eBay a while back for approx £5000 :eek: :shock:
 
That is amazing, the Luke Bespin 30 Back B card, two known examples, that in effect puts it rarer than the 30 back B Boba Fett, but probably not as desirable, am I right in assuming this?

With regard to the estimates on Craig's second vectis auction, I think one or two are slightly off the mark but generally are pretty much the going rate, Palitoy MOC's are big business nowadays, especially 30 back Empire cards, I think people need to get with the times and realise that they can't pick up these pieces for £1000 anymore, start living in the real world!!!

Good luck Craig, hope you get the prices that the figures deserve!!!
 
Talk about so near and yet so far to finishing my first 10 30 backs run, 4 of the 5 I'm after are all there.
Some BIG decisions to be made prior to the auction.

marc
 
Some beauties there for sure but the 45a Imperial Commander estimate is daylight robbery. If anyone pays anywhere near that they are f##kin retarded. £100-£200 at best. It's not even in good condition.

Is this the last of them Craig?
 
Palitoyman said:
That is amazing, the Luke Bespin 30 Back B card, two known examples, that in effect puts it rarer than the 30 back B Boba Fett, but probably not as desirable, am I right in assuming this?

With regard to the estimates on Craig's second vectis auction, I think one or two are slightly off the mark but generally are pretty much the going rate, Palitoy MOC's are big business nowadays, especially 30 back Empire cards, I think people need to get with the times and realise that they can't pick up these pieces for £1000 anymore, start living in the real world!!!

Good luck Craig, hope you get the prices that the figures deserve!!!


I think you are right on the 30b Luke/Fett comparison. While rarity can have an impact on price, demand is also important. Fett is the debut whereas the Luke 30b isn't and people going for debuts are going to want the 30a Luke more than the 30b. Of course some people want both :D

30 backs have been big for a long time, not as long as the 12/20 run, but now they seem to have superseded them in terms of demand and price.
 
It makes me very happy that the Palitoy logo has no nostalgic attraction to me whatsoever :D Otherwise my finances would be in real trouble!
 
Let's face it who ever thought that the FX-7 would go for over £7,000 .There are obviously buyers out there with very deep pockets.
I suppose because these items come up for sale very rarely it will be interesting to see what prices they actually sell for.I think vectis start their auctions at 60% of the lower estimate if there are no commission bids.
 
edd_jedi said:
It makes me very happy that the Palitoy logo has no nostalgic attraction to me whatsoever :D Otherwise my finances would be in real trouble!

Haha, same here! I only remember the Kenner logo growing up so have no attraction to the Palitoy logo whatsoever. Actually, aesthetically, much prefer the Kenner logo. Thank goodness for that. 8)
 
I can appreciate them like any other foreign cardback (Lili Ledy, Harbert etc) but my only memory of childhood cardbacks are tri-logos and the later unbranded Palitoys, or Kenner cards from the 90s. I do remember seeing one Palitoy logo MOC in the 90s, it was a black Bespin Guard that was £50 in my local vintage store, it didn't ever sell in the several years the shop was open!

I do wonder about some of these prices though, I mean are any of these MOCs really THAT rare compared to other foreign cards? I'm sure there are only a few known examples of most Lili Ledy/Harbet cards too, and although pricey they're not in this ballpark. Even MOC Uzay's don't go for this kind of money.
 
It amazes me the money they fetch ,considering none are graded :shock: Ide understand a £7g piece if it was 85-90 grade but I've had a few of theese pieces that sold for thousands in my hand and some would be lucky to get a 70 ! Vectis do sex up the listing and take a verry good photo :roll: but if your paying silly money you realy need to see it in the flesh !
 
It's simple supply and demand.

There have been collectors who have tried for decades to complete the 30 back ESB run and few, that are publically known at least, have managed it. These pieces aren't easy to get, and yes there are pieces that are far rarer. Demand for them however by far outstrips supply and it's not as if Palitoy are going to make any more so when one comes up for sale people will throw a lot of money at one as who knows when another will come up for sale. There was 15 years between public sales of the Fett for example. And in the those 15 years the price show up a huge amount. It's a long time for people to wait and save up their money! And all it takes are two with enough money and determination and pieces will go that high!

People often hang to these once they have them so chances of it being resold are often very unlikely. They can disappear into collections never to be seen again. Further adding to the perceived rarity...and the circle is complete!
 
When you put it like that ,it's almost biblical ! I alwAys assumed the rare pieces were 12 back A s ,I've learnt nothing over the past few years ,I'm proper 50 shades of GREEN :mrgreen:
 
Well, when I started collecting Palitoy the 12's (in general, inc. a+b variations) + the 8 20 backs were considered the ultimate set. That is continuing to change though.

They did have a mythical status. Back in 2001 when I first asked about getting the set together I was told that there were only 15 Lukes known to exist and that they were all locked away in collections and so it was impossible to put a set of 12 together, let alone get the Large Head Han. VC Jawa was not even an issue!

Since then so many new pieces have surfaced that makes it far more possible to put a set together. 15 lukes in 2001 is still a large number compared to the 6-8 Fetts thought to exist in 2015 and that's after years of websites and forums which do help unearth pieces and make them part of public knowledge.

I know there is a lot of focus on the Fett, in much the same way there was Focus on the Luke, but other 30 back pieces are also tough and probably much tougher than the harder 12 back Characters

Luke, Chewie, Han, Leia and Ben were the tough five 12/20 backs. All others could have been picked up vey easily by comparison. In fact there were countless collections of 15 of the first 20 missing those five.

The tough five 30 would be Fett, Yoda, then any 3 of the following...Fx7, IG88, WBG, Bossk, HST, Han Bespin. AT AT driver and Imperial commander aren't easy to find either! So not only are there more tough characters to find, the numbers in which they exist are much smaller.

The SW cards had been popular for a long time. The ESB cards took some time to catch up. You could pick up ESB characters on a choice of 3 Logo'd cards (30, 41 & 45a) so many (including myself initially) were happy with a character on any card so mixes were common. Once attention started to turn to debut MOC the 30 backs really began to take off in popularity and there really were that many to go round. Though more have been discovered since the early 2000's demand has increased at a greater rate and in recent years collectors with a hell of a lot more disposable income have focussed on them.
 
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