best material / glue to use for resealing
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Ross_Barr
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tiefighterboy said:
That's a fair point. Would actually be interested to see what the community has to say on it. You've been around a lot longer than me (hey, I didn't say you're old....lol), and perhaps I am wrong that more people disfavor reseals and customs than don't. Would be interesting to do a poll somewhere and see what people said, although polls are inherently unreliable.
Ross_Barr said:
I think I already know the result of that poll Ross and as you said they're not the most reliable gauge but if you did do one ( I'm assuming it'd be on FB ) you'd need to clarify the difference between a reseal and re-card as there still seems to be an over whelming amount of people who confuse the two.
There's also cut/slit open bubble examples to consider too, I actually had someone tell me once that in that condition the bubble should be completely removed and it left as a cardback. Certainly a divisive subject but I reckon sometimes it just gets taken a little too far.
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Ross_Barr said:
It would be best just to accept the fact that customs and reseals are acceptable to some, if not many collectors. Everyone has their level of acceptance. There are guys on here that do not have deep pockets. When given the chance to own a resealed 12 back for instance (original cardback, bubble, weapon, figure) for 10% of what a fully sealed one goes for I cant put them down for that and I am definetly not going to shame or shun them for it. It is all real except for the seal. As far as customs go, I could really careless If a guy decides to paint a beater stormie purple and call it ****ing Barney. these were mass produces in the millions, If not billions. There is a certain point Ross where you and even me need to say we cant inflict our beliefs on others nor control them. Peace.
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tiefighterboy said:
All fair points Todd, and I am starting to see that even beating the drum of no repros or U-grades, etc. doesn't do much. You're right for sure that nothing anyone can say can control what other people do.
I guess my only point is that reseal and glue jobs might ultimately be passed by folks as the real deal down the line, and that's what turns me off about them. It also hurts a card back. But people can and will do whatever they want as you said, and I do get that people on a budget see these as an affordable alternative. But then I see stuff like this, and it makes me mad - clear reglue / reseal job by the shady FXToys they tried to pass as original:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1978-KENNER-STAR-WARS-BOBA-FETT-MINT-ON-21-BACK-CARD-/141935699961?hash=item210c06e7f9%3Ag%3A9t8AAOSwxvxW7iF1&nma=true&si=UOUGt8u2AJTI1ztaTdsCJ6o9XiY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Appears FX ended the listing to change the description because they missed it (or received nasty pms from people about it), but either they missed it (which shows the harm reseals can bring) or tried to pass it as original seal and got caught (which also shows the harm of reseals).
At the end of the day, I would describe it as a grey area in my mind. I see both sides.
But when it relates to whether the OP should himself reseal it or not, I would recommend the top loader method Edd provided over a glue reseal.
I don't have a problem with reseals, as Todd says they've been around as long as collecting itself. For many people they are the chance to own an expensive MOC on a budget, or in some cases sealed MOCs don't even exist (I'm pretty sure Gary and Lee both have Palitoy reseals in their collections because there are no known sealed examples.)
They obviously have to be sold as such, but in my eyes there's nothing fake or custom about them.
They obviously have to be sold as such, but in my eyes there's nothing fake or custom about them.
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edd_jedi said:
Totally agree with the above and for me I'd rather have an all original resealed figure than just a card back as that's what I collect (yes I really have got so into reseals now that I'm in a strange way happier with them than a sealed moc as I know someone played with the figure once). Also as for the argument of rather having the figure loose I figured that one out a long time ago by first putting together a loose run
Reseals are not for everyone and each to their own I say but I feel like I've given a vintage piece a second life in all it's original glory so feel happy about it. I realise mounting my 12 back sealed cut cards maybe crossing a line but these are for my collection and really will stay with me until the end.
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For me I see no difference between a French polisher restoring a Edwardian table or a Rembrandt having restoration done, granted more skills are needed for the above and lets face it star wars are tomorrow's antiques.
Hence me asking what was the best material / glue to use.
I feel so long as people are resealing with the best of intension and using all original items I don't see a problem.
Has for repo stuff and it being sold on, that's always going to be a issue , look at any hobby / pastime and you will always have unscrupulous individuals trying to make a quick buck its just the way of the world, fortunately its the minority and not the other way round.
Hence me asking what was the best material / glue to use.
I feel so long as people are resealing with the best of intension and using all original items I don't see a problem.
Has for repo stuff and it being sold on, that's always going to be a issue , look at any hobby / pastime and you will always have unscrupulous individuals trying to make a quick buck its just the way of the world, fortunately its the minority and not the other way round.
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starwarsfan72 said:
Exactly.
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starwarsfan72 said:
I agree and thanks for the comment about my collection
As for the glue I used it was Pritt Gel which is water based but unfortunately no longer available. I think something like UHU would work well as it's strong and you have a little wiggle room with it before it drys, just use as little as possible and try to use on areas where the paper is still attached.
Best of luck with it and love to see the end result!
Ian
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One word - Thermoweb
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tiefighterboy said:
another word cockwobble
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rangersjedi said:tiefighterboy said:
another word cockwobble
That was my word of the day the other day thanks to Echo :lol: :lol: :lol:
PVA works well and it doesn't damage the card like some stronger glues.
Yeh, reseals are ok in my book. When I was buying them a few years back there were loads about and the majority had the original bubble either fully or semi detached. I just stuck them back on. You can tell what they are. No-one would be fooled into thinking they are MOCs.
Yeh, reseals are ok in my book. When I was buying them a few years back there were loads about and the majority had the original bubble either fully or semi detached. I just stuck them back on. You can tell what they are. No-one would be fooled into thinking they are MOCs.
BlueDog said:
Nothing wrong with loosers either :wink:
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Michael Sith said:
We all need a loser group hug.
Ross_Barr said:
Which community though?
At a guess, I'd say the meccano and poch guys would be pretty accepting - hell, even Stephane has resealed Meccanos in his run(s). Palitoy guys would probably be against them, unless you speak to the guys who are looking for the real oddball pieces. Harbert guys - again, I bet a Han, Fett or Yoda reseal would be acceptable to most.
Kenner collectors might well be more against them, as the availability of MOC at varying costs is so high.
tiefighterboy
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Doesn't really matter as you can see. Some people accept them...some don't. There are bigger fish to fry in this hobby.
