Another VC Jawa Palitoy found

[mr_palitoy]

Great Palitoy collection, good on you Joe for sharing the link!

I've often wondered if the Large Head Han's bubble differs at all from the Pin Head one and although I've asked a few people on here about it nobody's been able to verify it 100%. Looking at the picture of the two side by side it looks like the Large Head one does indeed have a slightly wider bubble (which was what I've been told before). It's really good to see such a clear picture of them both and I now feel that the bubbles do differ (I think?!). I also notice that the Large Head had a slightly different looking footer than the Pin Head, another thing that I've noticed with all but one other example of this figure. That said though, after reading about how Mr Kenner acquired the set I'm thinking that it might possibly be someone from here's set (Palitoyman?),so it may well not be another Large Head example but one I've seen before.

Anyway, it's really good to see such nice pictures of a complete set and a big thanks again Joe.

Ian

Not Richard (Palitoyman), his full set of 20 plus LHH minus VCJ is on ebay for £50k.

cheers Jason

 

[Richard_H]

Anyone know about this?

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/15239/lot/472/

 

[TC-14]

Anyone know about this?

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/15239/lot/472/

Ah, that's interesting Richard... I take it this one from a 2007 auction wasn't deemed actual proof of a VCJ on Palitoy card due to: "cut out on rear to remove figure" declaration? What was the actual year when a MOC Palitoy version was discovered?

 

[mr_palitoy]

Anyone know about this?

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/15239/lot/472/

Ah, that's interesting Richard... I take it this one from a 2007 auction wasn't deemed actual proof of a VCJ on Palitoy card due to: "cut out on rear to remove figure" declaration? What was the actual year when a MOC Palitoy version was discovered?

That's one of the half dozen or so opened examples (I have one from an ebay auction in a few years ago too).

The Torres example that was eventually graded has been doing the rounds for years, you can see Torres posting about it on rebelscum in the early 2000s.
You could say it was "discovered" when it was finally graded this year!



Jason

 

[TC-14]

Jason, you are a mine of information. Thank you

Martin

 

[Mr Kenner]

Hi Guys

There has been a lot of talk about the graded Palitoy VC Jawa figure that I brought. I did not buy it on eBay and worked on the deal for along time. I'm not one to talk about ££ on public forums and don't really want to disclose the price. Put it this way, it was more than the eBay amount but not much.

I'm quite excited about this new find. I believe there will be a lot of interest but I would be surprised if it broke £9-10k. It's not graded and as you can see there is bubble damage.

Glad you like my limelight. Thanks for popping the link over Joe, should really get the limelight sorted over here.

Cheers

Anthony

 

[mr_palitoy]

Hi Guys

There has been a lot of talk about the graded Palitoy VC Jawa figure that I brought. I did not buy it on eBay and worked on the deal for along time. I'm not one to talk about ££ on public forums and don't really want to disclose the price. Put it this way, it was more than the eBay amount but not much.

I'm quite excited about this new find. I believe there will be a lot of interest but I would be surprised if it broke £9-10k. It's not graded and as you can see there is bubble damage.

Glad you like my limelight. Thanks for popping the link over Joe, should really get the limelight sorted over here.

Cheers

Anthony

Thanks for speaking up Anthony.

So we have the AFA 75 at not much more than £11,300.

I said earlier in this thread that I thought it would go for £15K before I saw the bubble damage and then said that would knock £5K off, so I'll stick with £10k given its a Vectis auction and there's been and will be a load of publicity on the piece before auction.



Jason

 

[itfciain]

Vectis add 25% to the buying price don't they ?

So in theory if this sells for £10K then the buyer is likely to have paid more for it than the graded one

 

[mr_palitoy]

Vectis add 25% to the buying price don't they ?

So in theory if this sells for £10K then the buyer is likely to have paid more for it than the graded one

Dunno if my estimate included the fee or not, I'll leave that as undecided for a bit of wiggle room.



Jason

 

[Palifan]

Great Palitoy collection, good on you Joe for sharing the link!

I've often wondered if the Large Head Han's bubble differs at all from the Pin Head one and although I've asked a few people on here about it nobody's been able to verify it 100%. Looking at the picture of the two side by side it looks like the Large Head one does indeed have a slightly wider bubble (which was what I've been told before). It's really good to see such a clear picture of them both and I now feel that the bubbles do differ (I think?!). I also notice that the Large Head had a slightly different looking footer than the Pin Head, another thing that I've noticed with all but one other example of this figure. That said though, after reading about how Mr Kenner acquired the set I'm thinking that it might possibly be someone from here's set (Palitoyman?),so it may well not be another Large Head example but one I've seen before.

Anyway, it's really good to see such nice pictures of a complete set and a big thanks again Joe.

Ian

Not Richard (Palitoyman), his full set of 20 plus LHH minus VCJ is on ebay for £50k.

cheers Jason

Sorry, I meant to say Palitoyjunky's set . So many names with Palitoy in them........

 

[JuniorChubb]

Sorry, I meant to say Palitoyjunky's set . So many names with Palitoy in them........

:lol: :lol: I know Pali-this and Pali-that, I get confused and then its Mr Kenner who has got the Pali-VCJ WTF? :lol: :lol: Surely he should donate it to Mr Palitoy to keep things simple. :wink:

 

[mr_palitoy]

Sorry, I meant to say Palitoyjunky's set . So many names with Palitoy in them........

:lol: :lol: I know Pali-this and Pali-that, I get confused and then its Mr Kenner who has got the Pali-VCJ WTF? :lol: :lol: Surely he should donate it to Mr Palitoy to keep things simple. :wink:

Seems entirely reasonable to me.

:lol:

Jason

 

[Richard_H]

Perhaps you've a Kenner to trade?

 

[mr_palitoy]

Perhaps you've a Kenner to trade?

Hmm, I'm not sure I own any of those!

(well actually I own a bunch, but they're in my 2-1b focus)




Jason

 

[Grant_C]

Sorry, I meant to say Palitoyjunky's set . So many names with Palitoy in them........

:lol: :lol: I know Pali-this and Pali-that, I get confused and then its Mr Kenner who has got the Pali-VCJ WTF? :lol: :lol: Surely he should donate it to Mr Palitoy to keep things simple. :wink:

Brilliant

:lol:

 

[TC-14]

Sorry, I meant to say Palitoyjunky's set . So many names with Palitoy in them........

:lol: :lol: I know Pali-this and Pali-that, I get confused and then its Mr Kenner who has got the Pali-VCJ WTF? :lol: :lol: Surely he should donate it to Mr Palitoy to keep things simple. :wink:

Good stuff, nice one Junior- made me chuckle 8)

 

[mr_palitoy]

Comments from rebelscum and my vintage facebook group that there are ink touch ups on this card.
Must have been done a while back as there is much more subsequent card edge wear present.
Obviously, if ink touch ups are present then the piece is not AFA gradable.
Also affects the end price on the auction.

Have asked Kathy from Vectis to comment on my vintage facebook group.

cheers Jason

 

[Nick_IoW]

As I don't like grading - I am finding myself in a position where I almost hope it has some ink touch-ups! Will remove some of the competition with any luck!

 

[TC-14]

As I don't like grading - I am finding myself in a position where I almost hope it has some ink touch-ups! Will remove some of the competition with any luck!

You did mention previously that you wouldn't mind if it was coloured in with crayons :lol:
Good on you, Nick- I'm not a fan of grading either, why pay someone to tell you what you can already see with your own eyes? :wink:

 

[mr_palitoy]

Kathy has replied on my vintage facebook group. She has the piece in hand and say there are no ink touch ups and has provided these new closeups of the areas in question.



Jason

 

[itfciain]

Reading your facebook page and the thread on RS (which I am being a very good boy with and not commenting) you would think that the bulk of people passing their opinions want this to be a fake, or have issues or both. I don't see why so many people are doing this down. Jason you are doing very well not to get annoyed at some people who are basically calling your opinion out. It is good to see Gary back you up - to be honest if the pair of you can't spot a fake then we might as well all go home

When this opinion came out about the ink touch up, I couldn't see it myself - it would be strange for it to be touched up and then pick up more edge ware - which I think would have been most likely to have occurred when it was on sale rather than later in it's life

 

[mr_palitoy]

Thanks for your support. I do like an argument with people who are clearly in the wrong though. And I also thought it odd that there was much more edge wear that hadn't been touched up!



Jason

 

[mr_palitoy]

Come and see it in person!

From Kathy at Vectis:-

PLUS anyone in the UK wanting to see this piece prior to auction- we will be attending toyfairs at the NEC Birmingham on Sunday 22 September; Sandown Park, Esher, Surrey Saturday 14 September. Plus Donington Park Sunday 20 October. There are also other carded figures- including other 12 back Palitoy, Guerre Stellari and others...

cheers Jason

 

[Lee77]

I agree with you Iain. If Gary and AFA both say its legit then IMO there's no case for an argument. If its the first or twenty first one to turn up, it's not hard to spot a non factory seal or a reproduced cardback, whatever technology has made it.
Also, I can't really make out the touch ups, and if it was gonna be inked, surely they would have done the rest of the edgewear. Surely Vectis could just take a picture of it with a uv light. That way you can see if its been touched up.
I can see the issues people have with the provenance of it and think that vectis should make this information known.
Anyway, all this talk of touching up is making my mind wander ..........

 

[itfciain]

Anyway, all this talk of touching up is making my mind wander ..........

Have a word with Todd or AJ - I am sure they would be able to point you in the right direction :lol: :lol:

 

[mr_palitoy]

I agree with you Iain. If Gary and AFA both say its legit then IMO there's no case for an argument. If its the first or twenty first one to turn up, it's not hard to spot a non factory seal or a reproduced cardback, whatever technology has made it.
Also, I can't really make out the touch ups, and if it was gonna be inked, surely they would have done the rest of the edgewear. Surely Vectis could just take a picture of it with a uv light. That way you can see if its been touched up.
I can see the issues people have with the provenance of it and think that vectis should make this information known.
Anyway, all this talk of touching up is making my mind wander ..........

Piece is ungraded so not seen by AFA.

cheers Jason

 

[itfciain]

I think Lee means the original one that was graded by AFA - that is now seemingly being called into question as well

 

[Lee77]

Piece is ungraded so not seen by AFA.

cheers Jason

I thought one of the points was relating to the legitimacy of the graded one.

Maybe I'm still distracted by the touching up comments!

 

[jedisearcher]

The RS thread makes depressing reading. The amount of morons reading only the most recent comments and then throwing in something that's already been answered is retarded. It took them 4 pages to agree that AFA had never said they wouldn't grade another VCJ, just that it was unlikely that another one would turn up, and then some other buffoon goes and raises it all over again ....

Clearly sending it to AFA would limit its value because of the crushing so the seller won't do it, but oh no, it's a fake, can't be graded by AFA, touch ups, it's already been graded so clearly something is amiss (yes, someone said that) etc etc ...

I don't normally swear on posts, but some of those guys are ******* idiots.

Feel better now

 

[mr_palitoy]

The RS thread makes depressing reading. The amount of morons reading only the most recent comments and then throwing in something that's already been answered is retarded. It took them 4 pages to agree that AFA had never said they wouldn't grade another VCJ, just that it was unlikely that another one would turn up, and then some other buffoon goes and raises it all over again ....

Clearly sending it to AFA would limit its value because of the crushing so the seller won't do it, but oh no, it's a fake, can't be graded by AFA, touch ups, it's already been graded so clearly something is amiss (yes, someone said that) etc etc ...

I don't normally swear on posts, but some of those guys are ******* idiots.

Feel better now

And relax.



Jason