Woolworths Special Buy 8 Star Wars Figures for 99p Pack Research Findings

[edd_jedi]

You're not wasting your time Jamie, I and I'm sure everyone else here is completely open to new evidence supporting that these packs are real. I would genuinely welcome it, I don't like seeing people get ripped off or lose money.

But you need to apply some logic here - with all the evidence Laurence has provided, a photo of one box of suspect packs from 1999 does not prove they are genuine. Many collectors saw Toy Toni's fake MOCs at toy shows in the 90s, that doesn't make those real. I was making (bad) replica MOCs myself in the mid 90s, fakes have been around for decades. So your photo is no silver bullet.

See my list above - show us a photo of packs with the suspect font in Woolworths stores in the 80s, or a suspect font sticker on a vehicle/mini rig, or even one from a childhood collection, that would help prove they are genuine.

 

[momike]

I know frank and Jeff were at one time friendly and as documented by frank exchanged a lot of info with each other regarding baggies etc via email......that is one hell of a find and if he has had them since 2001 surly he would of mentioned that to frank in the past?

It just seems really convenient to me if I'm being honest, what's the odds of finding a haul like that and the person who discovered them happens to be someone knee deep in moody collectibles

 

[fuzzybuzzytoys]

I know frank and Jeff were at one time friendly and as documented by frank exchanged a lot of info with each other regarding baggies etc via email......that is one hell of a find and if he has had them since 2001 surly he would of mentioned that to frank in the past?

He did. Discussed many times. Just requested documentation regarding the communication.

 

[Joe]

Well done Laurence, a very conclusive and damning thread. You've given up your own time to provide incredible research that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that these fakes are in circulation, have been for quite some time and sadly the majority come from the same source.

I wish I could say I was surprised to read this but when I heard there were rumours about the 8 packs too I knew it wouldn't be long before it was proven.

10/10 for your efforts and for continuing to look out for the community. The hobby in 2018 is a completely different beast to what it once was, seems as time goes on it becomes less and less about sticking together, looking out for each other and working out who the bad guys are and more about who can show off the most or spend the most money. Sadly, the latter is the very reason why some people now have collections full of fakes

 

[fuzzybuzzytoys]

More info just arrived. This is a pack from the box pictured previously (you can se it in the top left corner). The pack was sold to Kevin Bleso about 5 years ago (and graded)

What is really interesting is the receipt which is sealed in the pack. You can clearly see the postcode NW1 6JL which, when googled, is an address which belonged to the Woolworths Group.

 

[edd_jedi]

Why would there be a Woolworths receipt in packs that were bagged at the Palitoy Factory? It is widely accepted that these special offer items (including vehicles, play sets etc) were not exclusive to Woolworths.

 

[fuzzybuzzytoys]

Why would there be a Woolworths receipt in packs that were bagged at the Palitoy Factory?

Is there anyway of reaching out to Kevin to see clearer pics of the item?

 

[fuzzybuzzytoys]

Pics

 

[fuzzybuzzytoys]

Zoom

 

[fuzzybuzzytoys]

Google

 

[Mr-shifter]

Oooh. This is exciting. I feel like Laurence.

The interesting thing is, up till 5 minutes ago I didn't realise people sold old receipts on eBay.

Now have a good look at these. Interesting thing is they are all pre 2003.

 

[Mr-shifter]

Now I did find one post 2003, and it was interesting. I would like to find more to prove my theory, but this is a start.

Now. Have a close look at the back of this vs the others I posted. Can you see it?

Now look again at the picture Jeff supplied jamie.

Now I'm not saying that's conclusive, but it makes me think even more that there is something very wrong here with that receipt. I do hope this multipack does still exist and that the owner might be able to shed a little more light on this obvious anomaly.

 

[spoons]

Ha ha Ben :lol:

How about a brand new roll

Edit - but too early for Jeff's baggies

Sorry Jamie, anything coming from Jeff has to be suspect. And Edd is right - why would the receipt be in a Palitoy produced bag?

 

[Frunkstar]

I know frank and Jeff were at one time friendly and as documented by frank exchanged a lot of info with each other regarding baggies etc via email......that is one hell of a find and if he has had them since 2001 surly he would of mentioned that to frank in the past?

He did. Discussed many times. Just requested documentation regarding the communication.

This is totally incorrect FYI Jamie, I can tell you I have every single email between myself & Jeff still saved in my email history & in (edited for typo it to in) those communications I asked on multiple occasions that if Jeff ever had any woolworths 8 packs come his way to let me know as I was actively looking for them & was willing to pay over the going rate for them, Jeff knew full well I was willing to pay a minimum sum of 500 GBP++ for genuine 8 packs, yet he never once offered a single one to me, yet he sold dozens of them to other collectors in the 250 to 350 GBP price range over the time we were in communication via email, I am sure with some time to re sift through the emails I can provide screen shots to confirm this.

So if he had been sitting on these in bulk since 1999 & was selling them for considerably less than someone else was willing to pay for them, if begs the question - WHY???

Just to add the the last sentence - this was at a time where myself & Jeff would converse regularly via email & were on good terms.

 

[fuzzybuzzytoys]

Ok Ben, while you search eBay for Woolworth receipts and follow the line that Jeff purchased, or produced one, and sealed it in a single multipack, I will reach out to Kevin and see if we can have a clearer look at the graded item.

Lawrence, why was Kevin's graded multipacks omitted from your investigation?

 

[fuzzybuzzytoys]

I know frank and Jeff were at one time friendly and as documented by frank exchanged a lot of info with each other regarding baggies etc via email......that is one hell of a find and if he has had them since 2001 surly he would of mentioned that to frank in the past?

He did. Discussed many times. Just requested documentation regarding the communication.

This is totally incorrect FYI Jamie, I can tell you I have every single email between myself & Jeff still saved in my email history & in (edited for typo it to in) those communications I asked on multiple occasions that if Jeff ever had any woolworths 8 packs come his way to let me know as I was actively looking for them & was willing to pay over the going rate for them, Jeff knew full well I was willing to pay a minimum sum of 500 GBP++ for genuine 8 packs, yet he never once offered a single one to me, yet he sold dozens of them to other collectors in the 250 to 350 GBP price range over the time we were in communication via email, I am sure with some time to re sift through the emails I can provide screen shots to confirm this.

So if he had been sitting on these in bulk since 1999 & was selling them for considerably less than someone else was willing to pay for them, if begs the question - WHY???

Just to add the the last sentence - this was at a time where myself & Jeff would converse regularly via email & were on good terms.

I have asked Jeff for communication between yourselves regarding these multipacks. This is when he mentioned the one with the power droid (and receipt) as this was one you were apparently very interested in. Have no further information at this stage.

 

[fuzzybuzzytoys]

Just to be clear the photo is from 2001 as stated

 

[momike]

So basically Frank while you were in regular contact with Jeff and on good terms he pretty much failed to tell you about his epic (this is holy grail stuff to a uk baggie collector) loft find of a box full of sealed Woolworths 8 packs that he had been sat on since 2001?

Why would some old lady have all those packs in her loft and put the receipt in one of the bags......maybe it was the receipt for 50x99p

 

[Mr-shifter]

Ok Ben, while you search eBay for Woolworth receipts and follow the line that Jeff purchased, or produced one, and sealed it in a single multipack, I will reach out to Kevin and see if we can have a clearer look at the graded item.

Lawrence, why was Kevin's graded multipacks omitted from your investigation?

I have stopped looking mate. I have finished having a **** now.

 

[mr_palitoy]

Anyone for some pic n mix as this story develops?

Jason