Will the UK leave the EU ?

[maxf]

Also you can not label everyone who voted OUT me included as selfish and right wing as we were entitled to our vote just as you were yours..

Well you've already labelled yourself that mate by saying "kick all the sponging migrants out" was your main reason for voting leave. Some people just don't seem to grasp that some things in life are either right or wrong - the fact 52% of this country are apparently racist doesn't make racism OK. If 90% of people voted leave because of immigration, that still wouldn't make it OK. Sure there are people that voted out for other reasons and I respect that, but I will never respect anybody narrow minded enough to consider immigration a problem. Would be interested to see your own personal family tree as you obviously think you have zero foreign ancestry.

At least all this is not as bad as Independence Day 2.

Yes agreed saw it last night, terrible. Love the first one so was a shame to see this slapstick mess.

And I stand by what I said, but if it makes you feel any better I have already said I feel just the same about British people who sponge from society as I do migrants.

Call me racist, right wing a bigot what ever you want I don't really give a **** to be honest I used my right to vote just like you used yours.

I'm not interested if you do not like my views, they are my views / opinions and not yours.... I am not looking for you to respect my vote so vent your anger somewhere else and not at me..!

Many leavers enacted a simpleton's solution for being uncomfortable with globalisation. We will end up with MORE migrants - what will happen to Calais? Dover will become the new jungle, and we won't 'send them back' as many want because we are a decent first world country with a good proportion of voters having a social and global conscience. Will Europe keep the migrants headed for the uk, or turn a blind eye?

 

[maxf]

Why should other countries make our laws. - which laws? Cite one.

Why accept other countries forcing their decisions on you. Which decisions. Cite one.

British fishing policies. These will most likely be given up as part of the trade agreements we will have to make.

The amount of money we pay the EU, and before you say it no we don't get it all back! We get a lot back and more indirectly - how many jobs depend on EUmembership and how much tax do they pay? How much extra will our national debt cost when we are downgraded as we likely enter recession.

Freedom to make stronger trade deals with other countries. Possibly - I accept that. But it's a bit like 'you can have stability or what's in the mystery box, isn't it?

Among others etc etc

 

[peekaygee73]

One of my brother's mates works for a charity which relies almost exclusively on EU handouts. Pretty simple to guess what's going to happen there.

Some really excellent points on the previous page which show how little the majority of people know about the EU.

 

[edd_jedi]

Hate crime up since Friday:

http://www.channel4.com/news/warsi-condemns-divisive-and-xenophobic-brexit-campaign

Congratulations everyone!

 

[edd_jedi]

Call me racist, right wing a bigot what ever you want I don't really give a **** to be honest I used my right to vote just like you used yours.

I'm not interested if you do not like my views, they are my views / opinions and not yours.... I am not looking for you to respect my vote so vent your anger somewhere else and not at me..!

No worries, if you don't like my views, don't use my forum. Simple as that.

 

[Lindo]

Why should other countries make our laws. - which laws? Cite one.

Why accept other countries forcing their decisions on you. Which decisions. Cite one.

British fishing policies. These will most likely be given up as part of the trade agreements we will have to make.

The amount of money we pay the EU, and before you say it no we don't get it all back! We get a lot back and more indirectly - how many jobs depend on EUmembership and how much tax do they pay? How much extra will our national debt cost when we are downgraded as we likely enter recession.

Freedom to make stronger trade deals with other countries. Possibly - I accept that. But it's a bit like 'you can have stability or what's in the mystery box, isn't it?

Among others etc etc

Laws - working time directive which costs uk business millions every year!
Money - we paid 12.9 billion in 2015 and got back 6 billion (that's a lot aint it!!!)
Fishing - UK had to give up 60% of its territorial waters to the EU, if they are given up as part of a trade deal then that is the way it is!
Freedom of trade - Pleased you accept that !

 

[Lindo]

Call me racist, right wing a bigot what ever you want I don't really give a **** to be honest I used my right to vote just like you used yours.

I'm not interested if you do not like my views, they are my views / opinions and not yours.... I am not looking for you to respect my vote so vent your anger somewhere else and not at me..!

No worries, if you don't like my views, don't use my forum. Simple as that.

Has it really come to that! saying don't use my forum if you don't like my views? you don't like his he doesn't like yours simple really.

 

[edd_jedi]

Has it really come to that! saying don't use my forum if you don't like my views? you don't like his he doesn't like yours simple really.

Over something like racism, yes. Absolutely not tolerated on this site, no matter how casual or acceptable the person may think it is.

 

[Lindo]

come on mate you need to chill out a bit

 

[maxf]

You failed to address the indirect financial benefits - just gave me the daily mail headline figures. We get far more back indirectly.

Working time directive - really? I legally signed my right to this away; as a well paid professional I accept that I may have to work longer hours. Millions of lower paid workers are protected by the working time directive and only somebody harking back to the days of mills and virtual slave labour would argue otherwise. The only people to benefit from the WTD being cut (as part of a bonfire of workers rights, so goodbye part time rights, maternity rights, paid holidays and paternity leave) are the employers looking to take advantage of their workforce.

How do we protect our fishing waters? Are we back to the cod wars of the 1970s? Why shouldn't French or Spanish trawlers be able to fish the seas? One part I agree with is the landfilling of catches which don't meet regs - this is backwards. I doubt many votes leave because of some fish going to landfill though.

 

[Lindo]

Max, you voted to remain obviously and I voted to leave, you will ask questions I will answer, you will disagree, I will disagree, so what say we just both agree to disagree.

 

[Ian_C]

Hey Edd,

I know you're angry, and have a right to be. I also think Skywalker's reasoning, as explained in here, is weak. For every immigrant sponging off the system, there are thousands contributing to the economy, so stopping immigration en masse (even if that was to happen, which is doubtful), is likely to hurt overall rather than help.

However, let's not make it a situation where you want people to leave/get banned because their opinions are different, even if they come across as slightly racist. You are way above that kind of kind of thinking.

The situation is getting heated, so maybe people need some time to cool off a little on both sides.

Cheers all.

Ian

 

[Grant_C]

Ebbw Vale, a former steel town of 18,000 people in the heart of the Welsh valleys, where 62% of the population – the highest proportion in Wales – voted Leave.

FRom the next county to where I live. Westminster hasn't given to ****s about this area, ever.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/view-wales-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale?CMP=fb_gu

 

[theforceuk]

Thing for me is, I feel a lot of out voters voted out as a protest vote not actually believing we would vote out. But they really wanted change.

If you voted out and your happy, then great. The next two years migrants will flood the UK knowing they can still get their foot in the door and the financial situation is a mess.

Maybe splitting hairs here, but a referendum isn't legally binding, it's simply asking the population what they think. Pretty erelavent as we are going to leave, just saying it's not over till it's over.

 

[SAVORY100]

Interesting piece in the Independent on what might, or actually might not happen...

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/ar...source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100

 

[Michael Sith]

Interesting piece in the Independent on what might, or actually might not happen...

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/ar...source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100

Interesting read, thanks for posting.

 

[Grant_C]

[youtube]9WY-tWsNKDY[/youtube]

 

[maxf]

Max, you voted to remain obviously and I voted to leave, you will ask questions I will answer, you will disagree, I will disagree, so what say we just both agree to disagree.

Yeah, you're right. It's an emotive subject and one I'd sooner not argue about on a Star Wars forum!

Glad you researched your vote and it wasn't just (or at all) about immigration - I hope your prove me wrong and we all end up wealthier!

 

[lejackal]

A little humour around a very serious subject to lighten the mood (hopefully)
[youtube]37iHSwA1SwE[/youtube]

 

[Lee Gregory]

Don't like talking politics as it always ends in arguments,whether it's at home, work, down the pub with your mates, or even on a forum for collecting vintage Star Wars toys. I'm not saying we don't discuss it, but it ends in accusations and bitterness.

I understand this is a highly sensitive subject,I think a lot of people have concerns over the uncertainty ahead. Guess only time will tell how things pan out.........