Upcoming Vectis auction/toy shop find

[Mr. Bob A. Feet]

Sounds like two very interesting finds and stories like these are amazing, very much looking forward to see what comes up although sadly probably too expensive for my tastes!

 

[mr_palitoy]

I'd forgotten about the factory codes. They're abit of a giveaway :lol:

The video figure is a Zuckuss which is post 45a isn't it?

So they must've switched the assembly to the UK at the end of ESB/start of ROTJ era.

Palitoy ESB 45b offerless, ESB German General Mills and ESB Clipper cards were the first ones assembled
at the Coalvile factory. This is also the first card type of unused cards that Toni got his mitts on which makes sense.

cheers Jason

 

[mr_palitoy]

Executive summary:-

April Auction - shop find. Contains some palitoy.
May/June Auction - palitoy rep 2 garage special. Palitoy across the range. Big action man sale including a 20k Judo costume. The box of 6 sealed death star play situation and shipping box of 48 cards. These were al nabbed by reps from the Coalville factory when it closed.

Jason

 

[edd_jedi]

The box of 6 sealed death star play situation and shipping box of 48 cards. These were al nabbed by reps from the Coalville factory when it closed.

Just thought, isn't it fairly unlikely that Palitoy death stars or 12 backs would have been lying around when the factory closed in 1986? Surely otherwise Toni/Arthur/Jason Joiner etc would have got some.

 

[Andyclarke]

Executive summary:-

The box of 6 sealed death star play situation and shipping box of 48 cards.

Jason

Are they definitely splitting these? I hope they are.

 

[mr_palitoy]

The box of 6 sealed death star play situation and shipping box of 48 cards. These were al nabbed by reps from the Coalville factory when it closed.

Just thought, isn't it fairly unlikely that Palitoy death stars or 12 backs would have been lying around when the factory closed in 1986? Surely otherwise Toni/Arthur/Jason Joiner etc would have got some.

I think the reps cleared out all the good gear and Arthur Bailey got the odds and sods left behind.

Jason

 

[David Tree]

The box of 6 sealed death star play situation and shipping box of 48 cards. These were al nabbed by reps from the Coalville factory when it closed.

Just thought, isn't it fairly unlikely that Palitoy death stars or 12 backs would have been lying around when the factory closed in 1986? Surely otherwise Toni/Arthur/Jason Joiner etc would have got some.

it is unlikely, same with all the Action Man product which predates the Star Wars from the 70's, but don't let the facts get in the way :lol:

 

[David Tree]

I think the reps cleared out all the good gear and Arthur Bailey got the odds and sods left behind.

Reps that had the foresight to take older product for a toyline that was dying at retail at that point which had been off retail shelves and somehow been in the warehouse for 5 years without being cleared or sold within their own company store.

 

[edd_jedi]

Yeah I'm with Dave on this one, I don't doubt the authenticity or existence of the items, but the story behind them doesn't make sense. Maybe he got them a lot earlier and forgot.

 

[mr_palitoy]

I'm just going on what was said in the action man news stories that have been flyting around.

Jason

 

[David Tree]

well given the Judo outfit set was only retailed 1969-70, it makes it for a better story that they took it at the closure in 1986, rather than a whole bunch of stuff they accumulated through the course of their career :lol:

 

[Andyclarke]

well given the Judo outfit set was only retailed 1969-70, it makes it for a better story that they took it at the closure in 1986, rather than a whole bunch of stuff they accumulated through the course of their career :lol:

When you say accumulated you mean stole!

 

[jedisearcher]

We've all seen reps cars. They're big estates rammed full of stuff.

Aren't these likely to be shop samples really? So he takes them round to shops, touts them, gets orders. Or maybe it's stuff he should be giving tho good customers but looking at the prices in the other thread, a DS was retailing for £6 so not much of a bonus there ...

So one Monday his director rings up and tells him there's a ton of new items to start selling so he empties his car boot into the garage and heads off to Coalville to pick up the new gear. He rinses and repeats over the course of his career, ending up with a very full garage :lol:

It's not theft, it's not his fault the company went out of business and in the chaos of that happening he never takes the stuff back.

Easy 8)

 

[Andyclarke]

We've all seen reps cars. They're big estates rammed full of stuff.

Aren't these likely to be shop samples really? So he takes them round to shops, touts them, gets orders. Or maybe it's stuff he should be giving tho good customers but looking at the prices in the other thread, a DS was retailing for £6 so not much of a bonus there ...

So one Monday his director rings up and tells him there's a ton of new items to start selling so he empties his car boot into the garage and heads off to Coalville to pick up the new gear. He rinses and repeats over the course of his career, ending up with a very full garage :lol:

It's not theft, it's not his fault the company went out of business and in the chaos of that happening he never takes the stuff back.

Easy 8)

Just to be clear I was joking! Don't want to be accused of libel!


Hopefully the we will get the full story from Vectis on why he ended up with such a variety of items spanning over a decade.

 

[_Lee_]

Is there a country of origin on these boxes? Dont know if its been overlooked but to me there looks to be nothing on the pics we see except for item numbers. Im hoping there us some sort of because if not, this could put a dent in the theory that Palitoys were assembled in Hong Kong. By that i mean the figures themselves probably were, but the cards and bubbles were attached here in the UK.

I don't think there's any COO on the cases.

I've always assumed the figures were assembled in the Far East, but then were packaged up in the UK, as per the old Palitoy factory video. Is that not right, or am I misunderstanding you?

From a cost perspective, surely you keep the shipping costs down if you assemble in the UK? Those cases are big to ship half way round the world in assembled form.

The evidence suggests that they were assembled in the Far East factories.

The 12 back Palitoy and Kenner cards use the same figures, footers and bubble progression. Take the Jawa 12 back for example:-

http://www.freewebs.com/mrpalitoy/sw12bcardback.htm

http://www.12back.com/features/vcjawa/vcjawa.php3

Also, the factory codes used on the 41 backs and types of bubbles used match.

We wouldn't see this similarity if the figures/bubbles/cards were being assembled in Coalville and Cincinnati.

cheers Jason

Ill have to respectfully disagree with you here Jason. Im of the opinion that the figures were packaged at Palitoy using bulk figures imported from HK. I beleive the 'made in HK' card markings refer to the figure itself, not the whole package. The evidence you suggest is worthy in some ways, but in the same way any item can be packaged here it can be packaged exactly the same elsewhere. Bubbles/footers cannot fully determine a country of assembly as machinery to seal bubbles to cards would have been used over the world.

Will we ever get a definative answer, probably not but thats what makes this hobby great.

 

[jedisearcher]

Just to be clear I was joking! Don't want to be accused of libel

Too late haha!! :lol:

 

[jedisearcher]

Ill have to respectfully disagree with you here Jason. Im of the opinion that the figures were packaged at Palitoy using bulk figures imported from HK. I beleive the 'made in HK' card markings refer to the figure itself, not the whole package. The evidence you suggest is worthy in some ways, but in the same way any item can be packaged here it can be packaged exactly the same elsewhere. Bubbles/footers cannot fully determine a country of assembly as machinery to seal bubbles to cards would have been used over the world.

Will we ever get a definative answer, probably not but thats what makes this hobby great.

It would be crazy from a business sense to send millions of the things fully assembled half way round the world, when they could be sent unassembled at a fraction of the size.

But then, they went out of business :lol: :lol:

We have no information about where the printed cardbacks came from over the years? Or the bubbles?

 

[David Tree]

It would be crazy from a business sense to send millions of the things fully assembled half way round the world, when they could be sent unassembled at a fraction of the size

It's how all toys are distributed now.

 

[David Tree]

I don't think there's any COO on the cases.

I've always assumed the figures were assembled in the Far East, but then were packaged up in the UK, as per the old Palitoy factory video. Is that not right, or am I misunderstanding you?

From a cost perspective, surely you keep the shipping costs down if you assemble in the UK? Those cases are big to ship half way round the world in assembled form.

The evidence suggests that they were assembled in the Far East factories.

The 12 back Palitoy and Kenner cards use the same figures, footers and bubble progression. Take the Jawa 12 back for example:-

http://www.freewebs.com/mrpalitoy/sw12bcardback.htm

http://www.12back.com/features/vcjawa/vcjawa.php3

Also, the factory codes used on the 41 backs and types of bubbles used match.

We wouldn't see this similarity if the figures/bubbles/cards were being assembled in Coalville and Cincinnati.

cheers Jason

Ill have to respectfully disagree with you here Jason. Im of the opinion that the figures were packaged at Palitoy using bulk figures imported from HK. I beleive the 'made in HK' card markings refer to the figure itself, not the whole package. The evidence you suggest is worthy in some ways, but in the same way any item can be packaged here it can be packaged exactly the same elsewhere. Bubbles/footers cannot fully determine a country of assembly as machinery to seal bubbles to cards would have been used over the world.

Will we ever get a definative answer, probably not but thats what makes this hobby great.

I would question this too, I don't have definitive figures or dates to say otherwise, but card back printing was done by a third party print agency in the UK for all Palitoy products, I have spoken to the former agency owner, but again, specifics are hazy when you are printing a wide range of products 30 years ago.

 

[David Tree]

We've all seen reps cars. They're big estates rammed full of stuff.

Aren't these likely to be shop samples really? So he takes them round to shops, touts them, gets orders. Or maybe it's stuff he should be giving tho good customers but looking at the prices in the other thread, a DS was retailing for £6 so not much of a bonus there ...

So one Monday his director rings up and tells him there's a ton of new items to start selling so he empties his car boot into the garage and heads off to Coalville to pick up the new gear. He rinses and repeats over the course of his career, ending up with a very full garage :lol:

It's not theft, it's not his fault the company went out of business and in the chaos of that happening he never takes the stuff back.

Easy 8)

I don't even think it's that, toy reps are remote workers working patches, they accumulate a lot of stuff rapidly, some for personal use, others for cash in hand deals, others customer returns. Speaking to toy reps back in the day and dealing with toy reps now as part of the day job, little has changed