Unexplained mysteries

[_Lee_]

Out of respect for the victims in both situations and our Amercan friends im going to leave it alone now.

Lee

 

[DarthStanley]

Stawomir Rawicz claimed in his book he spotted something in the himalayas which walked on 2 feet? I see no reason why the guy would make it up considering what he had been through.

Slawomir Rawicz was a bullshitter,it's been proven that when he claimed to be on his long walk,he was actually in the Middle East,not Siberia!

Soviet records confirm that Rawicz was a Polish soldier imprisoned in the USSR, but differ from The Long Walk in detail on the reasons for his arrest and the exact places of imprisonment. Polish Army records show that Rawicz left the USSR directly for Iran in 1942, which contradicts the book's storyline. Aside from matters concerning his health, his arrival in Palestine is verified by the records. The story of the escape to India comes from Rawicz himself.[1]

Captain Rupert Mayne, an intelligence officer in Calcutta, years after the war, said that in 1942 he had debriefed three emaciated men claiming to have escaped from a Siberian Gulag camp. Mayne did not provide any further details and did not identify Rawicz as one of the men.[citation needed]

 

[x-pack]

I reckon trade centre 1 & 2 came down because 2 massive planes flew into them. But what about trade centre 7? It wasn't hit and still came down. Why was that? If someone official explained it clearly to the people there would be no conspiracies.

 

[yoda]

Stawomir Rawicz claimed in his book he spotted something in the himalayas which walked on 2 feet? I see no reason why the guy would make it up considering what he had been through.

Slawomir Rawicz was a bullshitter,it's been proven that when he claimed to be on his long walk,he was actually in the Middle East,not Siberia!

Soviet records confirm that Rawicz was a Polish soldier imprisoned in the USSR, but differ from The Long Walk in detail on the reasons for his arrest and the exact places of imprisonment. Polish Army records show that Rawicz left the USSR directly for Iran in 1942, which contradicts the book's storyline. Aside from matters concerning his health, his arrival in Palestine is verified by the records. The story of the escape to India comes from Rawicz himself.[1]

Captain Rupert Mayne, an intelligence officer in Calcutta, years after the war, said that in 1942 he had debriefed three emaciated men claiming to have escaped from a Siberian Gulag camp. Mayne did not provide any further details and did not identify Rawicz as one of the men.[citation needed]

Ok I never knew that when I read the book that's interesting. If he's bullshited about his journey your right how could anything else he says be taken seriously. I think someone earlier mentioned Bigfoot and that was my response.
I have no idea if Bigfoot exists do you think he does?
The idea that there is some creature like some giant wampa sitting halfway up everest inside a cave doesn't make sense to me.
But maybe something in the lower foothills or forest is possible but highly unlikely. So many tourists/walkers and climbers are about those lower mountains now i think there would have been a picture by now.
There are also still alot of unexplored forests and mountains around the world. Does anything that has not yet been pictured live there I have no idea but it's possible.
Have you read up about any of those other questions different people have asked including me?
It's good hearing other people's views what they think.

 

[sith-smith]

Stawomir Rawicz claimed in his book he spotted something in the himalayas which walked on 2 feet? I see no reason why the guy would make it up considering what he had been through.

Slawomir Rawicz was a bullshitter,it's been proven that when he claimed to be on his long walk,he was actually in the Middle East,not Siberia!

Personally i'm a huge fan of all things bigfoot/yeti like and have been since a child. Love the programme 'Finding bigfoot' though admittedly it's more for the crazy things they say in terms of evidence! It does make me chuckle. :lol:

What I find in someone ways more spooky is a current theory that claims that all modern bigfoot stories are actually bullshit...but that it's actually possible that the ancient myths that gave rise to the current legend is actually based on early human (homosapien) encounters with other types of human that existed 10s of thousands of years ago and the stories of these meetings were passed down the generations.

 

[DarthStanley]

Stawomir Rawicz claimed in his book he spotted something in the himalayas which walked on 2 feet? I see no reason why the guy would make it up considering what he had been through.

Slawomir Rawicz was a bullshitter,it's been proven that when he claimed to be on his long walk,he was actually in the Middle East,not Siberia!

Soviet records confirm that Rawicz was a Polish soldier imprisoned in the USSR, but differ from The Long Walk in detail on the reasons for his arrest and the exact places of imprisonment. Polish Army records show that Rawicz left the USSR directly for Iran in 1942, which contradicts the book's storyline. Aside from matters concerning his health, his arrival in Palestine is verified by the records. The story of the escape to India comes from Rawicz himself.[1]

Captain Rupert Mayne, an intelligence officer in Calcutta, years after the war, said that in 1942 he had debriefed three emaciated men claiming to have escaped from a Siberian Gulag camp. Mayne did not provide any further details and did not identify Rawicz as one of the men.[citation needed]

Ok I never knew that when I read the book that's interesting. If he's bullshited about his journey your right how could anything else he says be taken seriously. I think someone earlier mentioned Bigfoot and that was my response.
I have no idea if Bigfoot exists do you think he does?
The idea that there is some creature like some giant wampa sitting halfway up everest inside a cave doesn't make sense to me.
But maybe something in the lower foothills or forest is possible but highly unlikely. So many tourists/walkers and climbers are about those lower mountains now i think there would have been a picture by now.
There are also still alot of unexplored forests and mountains around the world. Does anything that has not yet been pictured live there I have no idea but it's possible.
Have you read up about any of those other questions different people have asked including me?
It's good hearing other people's views what they think.

Personally I DO believe in the Yeti mate,there must be something out there that's left all those massive footprints in the snow! 8)

I read Arthur C Clarkes mysterious world book years ago & IIRC there was a chapter that said there was a place in central Africa that was all jungle & takes weeks to get there on foot & there was dinosaur type creatures roaming about!

I've read up on the Dyatlov Pass incident & imho was nothing more than an avalanche that killed those people!

I watched The Way Back then read The Long Walk & loved it & was gutted when I read up on it & discovered that Rawicz was full of **** & likely heard the escape story from someone else & claimed it as his own! :roll:

9/11, watched that live on tv & I can't believe the crackpots that think it was an inside job!

Mallory possibly COULD have been the first to reach the summit of Everest,if Irvines camera is ever found,maybe we'll find out for sure although there's probably a Sherpa that has been there before anyone else & doesn't care about the publicity!

Mark

 

[yoda]

I reckon trade centre 1 & 2 came down because 2 massive planes flew into them. But what about trade centre 7? It wasn't hit and still came down. Why was that? If someone official explained it clearly to the people there would be no conspiracies.

I asked the question at the start was it planned in a cave. I think will can all pretty much agree it wasn't.
It is the other things that happens which leads to these conspiracies. They say fire brought that building down again who knows? And yes its also pretty clear planes hit the other buildings and brought them down. I haven't read enough about it that's why I asked the question to hear people's opinions on it.
I did give an opinion earlier in this thread about this topic. Sometimes when a major crime or incident happens the best way to find who's responsible for it is not to look who committed the crime but who's to gain more when the dust settles.
When I look at the fighting in the middle east at the moment it's like looking into the gates of hell! I honestly think it's got to the stage that there are so may tribes, groups, fanatics, armys and civilians fighting each other nobody knows what they are fighting over. Sometimes I wonder is it a proxy war and those countries are the just battle grounds.
I am under no illusions the levels governments will go to in order to cover ther tracks.
There has been confict in Ireland for centuries going as far back as the first Viking settlers arrived here. Anyone who has read and studied what has happened over here will understand what the fighting is over, but that's another story. The good Friday agreement brought peace for everyone in 1998. Which couldn't have come soon enough.
It's now coming out that both governments north and south wer holding secret meetings with the paramilitaries and wer also involved in collusion at the same time which resulted in people losing there lives.

 

[yoda]

Slawomir Rawicz was a bullshitter,it's been proven that when he claimed to be on his long walk,he was actually in the Middle East,not Siberia!

Soviet records confirm that Rawicz was a Polish soldier imprisoned in the USSR, but differ from The Long Walk in detail on the reasons for his arrest and the exact places of imprisonment. Polish Army records show that Rawicz left the USSR directly for Iran in 1942, which contradicts the book's storyline. Aside from matters concerning his health, his arrival in Palestine is verified by the records. The story of the escape to India comes from Rawicz himself.[1]

Captain Rupert Mayne, an intelligence officer in Calcutta, years after the war, said that in 1942 he had debriefed three emaciated men claiming to have escaped from a Siberian Gulag camp. Mayne did not provide any further details and did not identify Rawicz as one of the men.[citation needed]

Ok I never knew that when I read the book that's interesting. If he's bullshited about his journey your right how could anything else he says be taken seriously. I think someone earlier mentioned Bigfoot and that was my response.
I have no idea if Bigfoot exists do you think he does?
The idea that there is some creature like some giant wampa sitting halfway up everest inside a cave doesn't make sense to me.
But maybe something in the lower foothills or forest is possible but highly unlikely. So many tourists/walkers and climbers are about those lower mountains now i think there would have been a picture by now.
There are also still alot of unexplored forests and mountains around the world. Does anything that has not yet been pictured live there I have no idea but it's possible.
Have you read up about any of those other questions different people have asked including me?
It's good hearing other people's views what they think.

Personally I DO believe in the Yeti mate,there must be something out there that's left all those massive footprints in the snow! 8)

I read Arthur C Clarkes mysterious world book years ago & IIRC there was a chapter that said there was a place in central Africa that was all jungle & takes weeks to get there on foot & there was dinosaur type creatures roaming about!

I've read up on the Dyatlov Pass incident & imho was nothing more than an avalanche that killed those people!

I watched The Way Back then read The Long Walk & loved it & was gutted when I read up on it & discovered that Rawicz was full of **** & likely heard the escape story from someone else & claimed it as his own! :roll:

9/11, watched that live on tv & I can't believe the crackpots that think it was an inside job!

Mallory possibly COULD have been the first to reach the summit of Everest,if Irvines camera is ever found,maybe we'll find out for sure although there's probably a Sherpa that has been there before anyone else & doesn't care about the publicity!

Mark

That's cool about that jungle in Africa never heard of that.

I am also now gutted after you telling me he faked the whole story and never done that long walk :roll:

Have you ever heard about the gully somewhere in Asia. I think the name of it was lowes gully. I remember watching a program about an army unit which attempted to traverse the whole gully it almost finished them.

That's 2 in agreement about the hikers yourself and ODB! I still disagree on that one what makes you sway towards an avalanche?
The bodies wer all separated from each other and some partly clothed. I have read about a possibility that the wind may have been a factor and sounds drove them mad. That is the theory why someone cut the tent and they left. If it were an avalanche why was the tent not full with bodies when they suffocated?

I also believe if they find Irvines body and he has the camera the answer will be found. The problem is if he did fall off the north face he will be at a lower altitude so there won't be much left from his remains. That will make finding the camera even harder.

Have to admit by asking these questions I have learned alot. And all the new questions and answers make interesting reading

 

[Section 8]

1.Where did the Incas go?

Nowhere. Their descendants still live there.

2. Why does the air shafts of the pyramids line with the stars?

Any line leading to the sky will line up with a star, but more importantly, they are not air shafts.

3. Who built the statues on Easter island? And purpose?

Polynesians built them because they enjoyed it.

4.Is there underground military bases in Antarctica?

No. All would be military targets in the southern hemisphere are not worth it.

 

[yoda]

A few more I find interesting reading but I don't know the answer. Just wondering has anyone else read about these? and what they think?

Did Frank morris make it across San Francisco Bay alive escaping from alcatraz? I know with the cold he probably ended up drowning but the authorities still aren't sure.

Anyone know much about the story of the gold dumped along the yellowstone or missouri river? After the battle of little big horn it was dumped from the rescue ship. Historians believe there could be a map leading to its location but can't prove it.
Or the Dutchmans gold in the superstition Mountains?

Does anyone believe DB Copper survived? The guy who buried the money in "prison break"

1.Where did the Incas go?

Nowhere. Their descendants still live there.

2. Why does the air shafts of the pyramids line with the stars?

Any line leading to the sky will line up with a star, but more importantly, they are not air shafts.

3. Who built the statues on Easter island? And purpose?

Polynesians built them because they enjoyed it.

4.Is there underground military bases in Antarctica?

No. All would be military targets in the southern hemisphere are not worth it.

I think my wording was wrong in the question about the Incas I meant from machu picchu. You are correct their descendants still do live in Cuzco to this day. That was one of my goals to walk the Inca trail and i was lucky that I managed to achieve it. I did see their descendants and i bought items from them. They do have their own unique dialect and you can spot them easily from the locals.
It's machu picchu is the mystery yes smallpox did arrive with the Spanish. It's the tour guides some of them believe different from my memory. There is belief among them that another city does exist deeper into the mountains.
Expeditions have taken place still looking for this so called lost city. Some of them believe thats where they fled from disease and the invading Spanish. Of course it has never been discovered yet! And until it is there will never be proof but then again only for local knowledge and beliefs macha picchu was also only a story until discovered.
Still I think even if they did move to another city deeper into the mountains it highly unlikely anyone is still living their now although I don't know.


The air shafts I just presumed that's what they were. For the ventilation deep down in the pyramids. For anyone working and to clear smoke from the flames. Have you any idea what the purpose of them was built for? Or do you think it's some sort of spiritual beliefs they had?


Your are probably right about a large military base in Antarctica.
It wouldn't make sense but then again if their was I don't think it would be broadcasted and its location.
I have spoken to 2 individuals afew years ago whom both have been to the Antarctic continent dropping supplies on different time spans. From what I remember military are down their. I was more interested in the Scott and Shackleton huts But it is probably for some sort of extreme winter survival training I am guessing they are doing.

Anyway some great views and answers I find all this kind of reading very interesting.

 

[Section 8]

Visiting Machu Pichu is near the top of my must do before die list. Always had an interest in pre european america. Recently saw this along with a lot of other amazing Incan, Aztec, Mayan etc stuff at the London Museum.

Art or symbols seem to play a massive part which if enlarged, you get the Nazca lines. I think a technique mastered in small scale was simply scaled up to create the larger images. Like crop circles I don't think they are difficult to recreate if your methodical. I think we underestimate the level of mathematical understanding of ancient civilisations.

 

[yoda]

Visiting Machu Pichu is near the top of my must do before die list. Always had an interest in pre european america. Recently saw this along with a lot of other amazing Incan, Aztec, Mayan etc stuff at the London Museum.

Art or symbols seem to play a massive part which if enlarged, you get the Nazca lines. I think a technique mastered in small scale was simply scaled up to create the larger images. Like crop circles I don't think they are difficult to recreate if your methodical. I think we underestimate the level of mathematical understanding of ancient civilisations.

Cool if you want to do it don't put it off! That's what I do if I take the notion i book the flight then I can't change my mind and suffer financially when I get back home :roll: if your prepared to rough it for a week you'll love it. There are over a 1000 steps built and cut into the mountains.
I did see other lines there from a boat not the Nazca i can't remember the name but they were similar.
I must take a look again I had a camcorder with me.
I really hope you get to go if that's on your to do list.
And if you ever need help to plan it send me a message I have alot of contacts which I used and it will save you a lot of money the time of year is also very important because of rain fall. If it's to heavy the trail will be closed and you will have your money paid.

 

[Section 8]

I don't think it will be any time soon, but thanks for the offer though. I'm sure I'll still be a member of the forum for years to come so still may give you a shout.

 

[Simply Sci-fi]

This is an old thread but it is a subject which is right up my street, considering that I have delved deeper into the worlds of alternative history and conspiracy theory than most people (although I have barely scratched the surface of many issues).

I am sympathetic towards to theories surrounding ancient technological societies that existed in the ancient past but I think that people jump to alien intervention far too easily. There are architectural wonders we can see today and written/pictorial evidence that cannot easily be explained. Even so our "official" history is never going to change.

I also lean towards the theories that there are human "cousins" out there in the world and also various extinct creatures that do a very good job of maintaining their mythical status. Probably around a third of the land mass of our planet has never been explored on foot and the ocean depths have barely been mapped. Even so, such things don't "officially" exist and that too is never going to change.

I have found that there seems to be cases of what may well be "state organised atrocities" including certain assassinations – the list is almost endless. In each case, even though the general public would find it repulsive, such things are probably done with the common good in mind, either for short term reasons, or to somehow steer the entire world in a certain direction. There is an "official history" that plots all of these events that will never change.

There are doubts in many people's minds about the technology of the modern world. Do satellites exist? Do we still require undersea cables? Did the moon landings happen? Does nuclear power exist? Is the International Space Station nothing but an empty tin can – and all of the interior shots faked? Are there cheaper/alternative sources of power? Do intercontinental missiles exist? Is the Large Hadron Collider a big fake? Do the Mars Rovers exist? Is the proposed manned expedition to Mars actually impossible and completely fake? Is all space technology fake? I will give an ear to all of these theories (except for the view that the world is in fact flat!). The answer that I will provide is, that in a Western world that is growing and needs to provide jobs and commerce, of course some of the technology that we are told exists, probably doesn't. When individuals, companies and countries have very deep pockets, they will be sold spurious things that keep the industrial complex going. Of course, all of our technology "officially" exists and that is never going to change.

What I am trying to say here is that we live in a bubble of officialdom - of the "official" line on every subject, and to look seriously into any conspiracy theory can lead to the whole house of cards of your world view tumbling down. You can also p**s off people who take the "official" stories as given. It insults people's intelligence to suggest that they have been sold a lie (and it could well be that they are correct anyway). I have come to the conclusion that there are far more important things in life than challenging the "official" line on things, unless you plan to write a book and make a heap of money.

Talking of which, I am hoping to publish a book based on my alternative theories on dinosaurs (which is one of my other great passions in life). If there is one "official" story that is easy to knock down, it's the one surrounding dinosaurs and you can do it without mentioning government cover-ups, aliens, divine intervention, or a flat Earth!.

By the way, if anyone would like to do some "alternative" reading, I would highly recommend "The Chrystal Sun: Rediscovering a Lost Technology of the Ancient World" by Robert Temple and "1421: The Year that China Discovered the World" by Gavin Menzies. Both offer an alternative view but well within the "official" story of history.

 

[x-pack]

I think this one is my favourite - did Stanley Kubrick work on filming for the moon landing, and did he use Stephen King's book, The Shining, as a vehicle to cryptically reveal his secret involvement?

 

[bosk70]

Barry I think I watched a (Rich Planet) episode on this topic some time ago, just "you tube search it", worth a watch makes you think

Richplanet - New evidence on Stanley Kubrick faking the Apollo Moon landing (full version)

 

[yoda]

I see the flat earth theory was touched on there. Others also believe of a hollow earth and the that Richard E.Byrd few into large holes at the both poles. That's why google earth won't give a clear picture of both poles to add to the conspiracy.
Although I have read Sir Ranulph Fiennes books on his expeditions to both poles and I don't recall him ever falling into a large hole. I do remember him having to cut 2 figures of with a haksaw a few months later at home in his back garage as the result of exposure to cold. So I don't think he would be to impressed if someone told him he never actually got to both the poles.

 

[yoda]

I was watching James Corden last night in his carpool karaoke. Well Sia came on and I started watching it then halfway through it she admitted she believes in Aliens. Then the next bit she said made me take more of an interest in what she was saying.
She mentioned Paul Hillyer who I have now checked was the Canadian defence minister between 1963-67. He claims world leaders are concealing the presence of Aliens. I also have googled is he crazy and lost his marbles ? but i can't quite seem to find a clear cut answer on that one. Has anyone ever read about this guy and found out is he crazy?
At the same time it wouldn't shock me if their is some sort of truth in what he claims.

 

[Simply Sci-fi]

I have settled on the opinion that UFO sightings were simply top secret experimental military x-planes (and continue to be so today).
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2010/09/16/the-truth-behind-ufo-sightings-and-the-us-air-force

In the 1960s Western governments actually set out to help spread the belief in aliens, especially as the USSR was taking the possibility of their being true UFOs very seriously. It was the perfect cover for X-plane development, that of course need to fly in order to be tested. The ex-Canadian Defence minister may still be carrying on a duty of supporting the stories of alien contact. There is conspiracy theory that there will be one day, a fake alien contact perpetrated by the governments of the world and that the media is complicit in convincing the public that such an invasion is a likelihood.

The hollow Earth conspiracy theory is an obscure one. According to one source I came across, the scene in the film "They Live" which features an underground transportation device is a reference to the hollow Earth, although it doesn't appear to be clear where the people are meant to be going. Hollow Earth probably has more implications than all of the other conspiracy theories put together (other than flat Earth perhaps).

 

[theforceuk]

Anyone who considers the Earth not being what it is should read Stephen Hawking's a brief history of time and if you have read it and are still considering our planet is hollow then I give up. :lol:

Seriously though I'm not being rude but you only would have had to pay attention in your Science lessons at school to know our planet is basically a solid ball of rock with a liquid metal core. Also have you ever started digging to Australia on the beach when you were a kid? No way is our planet hollow! :lol: