Unexplained mysteries

[_Lee_]

What about some of the more traditional mysteries?

Bermuda Triangle, Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, etc?

Ian

All women seen out in Luton on a Saturday night :lol:

'I saw a big footed woman who looked like the loch ness monster flashing her Bermuda Triangle' :lol:

 

[yoda]

I just remembered another couple the "dogon people"
Where did they get there knowledge of the solar system from :?
And the symbols on the dollar bill what do they stand for? The eye over the pyrimad?

 

[x-pack]

Stone Henge is a classic one. I always just thought it was something built by druids or some ancient religious community for worship of the Sun. But hearing some of the stones came from a couple of hundred miles away in Wales made me think twice. How and why did they contsruct it? We'll never know. It would be great to have a time machine and go back to clear up these mysteries. The explanations are probably pretty straight forward.

 

[yoda]

Stone Henge is a classic one. I always just thought it was something built by druids or some ancient religious community for worship of the Sun. But hearing some of the stones came from a couple of hundred miles away in Wales made me think twice. How and why did they contsruct it? We'll never know. It would be great to have a time machine and go back to clear up these mysteries. The explanations are probably pretty straight forward.

Would love to see that place, I never knew the stones came from that far away :shock: you would wonder how they transported them. They look massive from any pictures I have ever looked at.

 

[x-pack]

Stone Henge is a classic one. I always just thought it was something built by druids or some ancient religious community for worship of the Sun. But hearing some of the stones came from a couple of hundred miles away in Wales made me think twice. How and why did they contsruct it? We'll never know. It would be great to have a time machine and go back to clear up these mysteries. The explanations are probably pretty straight forward.

Would love to see that place, I never knew the stones came from that far away :shock: you would wonder how they transported them. They look massive from any pictures I have ever looked at.

I've never been but the trip to Farthest From in Fordingbridge from the North almost takes you past. Should have stopped off.

I'm reminded of a scene from Red Dwarf in which Rimmer is questioning to Lister the mysteries of the Earth.

Rimmer - "have you never wondered how they built the Pyramids Lister? How they moved such massive, massive stones?!".

Lister - "they had whips Rimmer. Massive, massive whips!" :lol: :lol:

 

[Richard_H]

I've been and it's impressive. But there's evidence to show that they were shipped via boat and then dragged. It's clearly a druid worshipping place.

Loch Ness is a fake.

Bermuda Triangle is a bit of a myth too. There're other places that are as bad as there for disappearances but never mentioned. Just a nicely coined term.

 

[x-pack]

I've been and it's impressive. But there's evidence to show that they were shipped via boat and then dragged. It's clearly a druid worshipping place.

Loch Ness is a fake.

Bermuda Triangle is a bit of a myth too. There're other places that are as bad as there for disappearances but never mentioned. Just a nicely coined term.

I saw a show where they basically put the Bermuda Triangle down to undersea bubbles or some **** like that. Something disrupting the waters surface and dragging boats down. Not sure about planes. I reckon it's just bad luck.

 

[yoda]

4.Is there underground military bases in Antarctica? (Wouldn't surprise me)
I think there are secret bases everywhere.

5.Was malloray the fist man to stand on the summit of everest? ( I have a gut feeling he was)
I dont know, maybe. Always makes me think how good the Sherpas are, especially beingg acclimatised.

6.What did happen at Roswell? (No idea)
Greedo landed after being released frim hospital because Han DID shoot first seriously though, something happened there, and Alien lifeform seems possible.

8. Did Oswalds bullet kill Kennedy? (Not sure but I believe he was involved.)
No,Oswald was a Patsy. James Files fired the fatal shot which killed Kennedy. Funnily enough ive been researching this a lot lately and i beleive it was C.I.A.

9.9/11 ? Was it planned in a cave? (Balls)
Without offending our American friends as it was and still is a devastating tragedy, i beleive it was an inside job. Too much proof against the official timeline and what they said doesnt stand up to laws of physics etc and is impossible. Sorry to say, but CIA etc involved again. Too much history between Bin Laden/Bushes and you need to research this a lot to realise it.

Lee I totally agree it is a very sensitive subject 9/11. Alot of inocent people lost there lives and continue to lose them as a result of that day. I am sure alot of you can remember exactly what you wer doing when the news was filtering through of what happened I know I can.
I have seen where I live what conflict can do to families. I had a relative who was inocent and lost their life in the early 90s as a direct result of the fighting just because they were a certain religion. It's terrible when the inocent feel the full force. Its the families who suffer after it. I am glad things have settled well now over here and there is peace at last.
I have know idea who i think is responsible for 9/11. There is that much different views on it. When I read who allegedly helped Saddam hussein into power to overthrow kassem it's shocking if its true.
Then when I listen to General Wesley Clark what he claims he was told about 7 different countries 10 days after 9/11 at the Pentagon it really makes you wonder where this is all going to end if what he claims is true.

 

[Michael Sith]

The Unexplained magazine Barry, yes I used to get that, spontaneous combustion etc, all really strange stuff :?

Loch Ness monster is a proven fake now, but a great myth

Holy Grail, ark of the covenant? All makes for good reading :wink:

There are so many things we can't explain, but that doesn't mean they won't be in time, all makes for good reading, discussion and theorising, great thread this 8)

 

[Frunkstar]

None as big a mystery as where do all the odd socks go :lol:

Love all these unexplained mysteries.

 

[x-pack]

None as big a mystery as where do all the odd socks go :lol:

Love all these unexplained mysteries.

Down the side of the kids bed usually! I've got a pile of the damned things :roll:

 

[ODB]

1.Where did the Incas go? (No idea Spanish never knew of machu picchu) Conquered by the Spanish who systematically took their empire apart, combined with a smallpox epidemic gutted the population and infrastructure. Machu Picchu was abandoned before the Spanish arrived, most likely devastated by Small pox.

2.Why does the air shafts of the pyrimads line with the stars? (no idea) They don't (one of them curves and bends) and they didn't when the pyramids were built either as the alignment has changed, see also the Orion correlation myth.

3.Who built the statues on Easter island? And purpose? (No idea) The Easter Islanders' ancestors, who built them to celebrate/commemorate famous tribal chiefs.

4.Is there underground military bases in Antarctica? (Wouldn't surprise me) No bases underground only above ground and strictly non military, the US Army attempted underground bases in Greenland on glaciers but found the ice moved too much to make them feasible.

5.Was malloray the fist man to stand on the summit of everest? ( I have a gut feeling he was) Can never be proven, besides it might of been another unrecorded effort that succeeded.

6.What did happen at Roswell? (No idea) A balloon belonging to Project Mogul came now and the US intelligence services covered it up and then used Aliens to deflect coverage away from what they were doing.

7.What happened at the Dyatlov pass incident? (possibly military) A load of hikers died from exposure and hypothermia after an avalanche.

8. Did Oswalds bullet kill Kennedy? (Not sure but I believe he was involved.) Yes it did, the forensic evidence stacks up and 50 years since and collapse of the USSR no solid evidence, proof or whistle blower has come forward.

9.9/11 ? Was it planned in a cave? (Balls) It was Al Qaeda, but since that is a fragmented group as opposed to a rigid structured group it was unlikely to have been in a cave but someone who came up with a simple plan that got money from Bin Laden to carry it out. Devastatingly simple.

10.Who made the crystal skulls? (No idea) Modern day hoaxers and pranksters, none have proven to be anything other than a modern fake.

11.What is buried on Oak Island? Could it be the ark from the crusades? ( really fascinating ) Nothing, its all hype myth and idiots making evidence fit their preconceptions.

12.what's the purpose of the Nasca lines? (No idea) No one knows for sure as the Nazca didn't leave any written explanations of them. It is likely they are part of religious ceremonies to ensure the area got water from the mountains. They aren't UFO landing pads.

To quote the X Files the truth is out there, it just doesn't sell many books or DVDs.

 

[yoda]

1.Where did the Incas go? (No idea Spanish never knew of machu picchu) Conquered by the Spanish who systematically took their empire apart, combined with a smallpox epidemic gutted the population and infrastructure. Machu Picchu was abandoned before the Spanish arrived, most likely devastated by Small pox.

2.Why does the air shafts of the pyrimads line with the stars? (no idea) They don't (one of them curves and bends) and they didn't when the pyramids were built either as the alignment has changed, see also the Orion correlation myth.

3.Who built the statues on Easter island? And purpose? (No idea) The Easter Islanders' ancestors, who built them to celebrate/commemorate famous tribal chiefs.

4.Is there underground military bases in Antarctica? (Wouldn't surprise me) No bases underground only above ground and strictly non military, the US Army attempted underground bases in Greenland on glaciers but found the ice moved too much to make them feasible.

5.Was malloray the fist man to stand on the summit of everest? ( I have a gut feeling he was) Can never be proven, besides it might of been another unrecorded effort that succeeded.

6.What did happen at Roswell? (No idea) A balloon belonging to Project Mogul came now and the US intelligence services covered it up and then used Aliens to deflect coverage away from what they were doing.

7.What happened at the Dyatlov pass incident? (possibly military) A load of hikers died from exposure and hypothermia after an avalanche.

8. Did Oswalds bullet kill Kennedy? (Not sure but I believe he was involved.) Yes it did, the forensic evidence stacks up and 50 years since and collapse of the USSR no solid evidence, proof or whistle blower has come forward.

9.9/11 ? Was it planned in a cave? (Balls) It was Al Qaeda, but since that is a fragmented group as opposed to a rigid structured group it was unlikely to have been in a cave but someone who came up with a simple plan that got money from Bin Laden to carry it out. Devastatingly simple.

10.Who made the crystal skulls? (No idea) Modern day hoaxers and pranksters, none have proven to be anything other than a modern fake.

11.What is buried on Oak Island? Could it be the ark from the crusades? ( really fascinating ) Nothing, its all hype myth and idiots making evidence fit their preconceptions.

12.what's the purpose of the Nasca lines? (No idea) No one knows for sure as the Nazca didn't leave any written explanations of them. It is likely they are part of religious ceremonies to ensure the area got water from the mountains. They aren't UFO landing pads.

To quote the X Files the truth is out there, it just doesn't sell many books or DVDs.

:lol: you know your probably right it's a guy like me helps sell the books and dvds. The logical answers are maybe in front of me. I think sometimes I want to believe they are more mysterious than they really are! And there is streight forward answers to them all. You could be correct in ever one of them

But I myself don't believe it was an avalanche killed those hikers. They were all experienced especially the leader. The most basic thing they would have known is not to pitch a tent or set up camp on an avalanche prone slope. The tent was still pitched when found so wasn't flatted by snow.
It would surprise you how warm tents can be inside those conditions. So I don't believe it was hypothermia that made them cut the tent to climb out. When you do get that cold people do tend to remove there clothing which some had done. There is no metion of food shotage which would speed up hypothermia.
Some of the bodies wer found with fractured skulls and one had a tongue removed. Most of them wer found nowhere near the tent and some near a campfire. I can't understand why they left the tent and never went back to it. I have no idea what happened to them that's why I thought they maybe stumbled on the military. And came across something they wer not ment to see. And then it was some sort of cover up.
You could be right what you say thats your view. I am basing my argument on what I have read when they wer found. That's why I did ask these questions because it is interesting to hear what other people think.
I find with everyone of your answers I could also agree on. All your answers do make sense it's when you read different peoples opinions it's hard to know what is true.

 

[Joe]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-e8c6cbab-da44-4a3c-8f9b-c4fccd53dd24

I heard about this a while back but not read up on it till today. Any theories from you lot as to why he went up there to poison himself? (And who the **** was he?)

 

[Darth Bobby]

Very interesting thread... I love all that mystery stuff too. So much that I've dug out an old DVD for tonight:

 

[yoda]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-e8c6cbab-da44-4a3c-8f9b-c4fccd53dd24

I heard about this a while back but not read up on it till today. Any theories from you lot as to why he went up there to poison himself? (And who the **** was he?)

I also remember seeing that in the paper! The poor man you would wonder what was troubling him. I am at a loss also it's really strange for some reason he didn't want to be identified.

Very interesting thread... I love all that mystery stuff too. So much that I've dug out an old DVD for tonight:

I know I love reading about all that stuff. There is some weird **** that happened and still happening around the world that is kept from the general public.

 

[_Lee_]

8. Did Oswalds bullet kill Kennedy? (Not sure but I believe he was involved.) Yes it did, the forensic evidence stacks up and 50 years since and collapse of the USSR no solid evidence, proof or whistle blower has come forward.

the forensic evidence was doctored as was the notion Oswald shot a cheap mail order Carcano 3 times in less than 8 seconds which even the best snipers/sharp shooters cannot do in the given timeframe. It has been proven impossible as was the theory of one of the bullets hitting both JFK and Gov Connolly as it turned corners and directions :roll: Listen to James Files interview, he has nothing to lose and his story is backed up. And why remove JFK,s body later the same night. That was illegal as the autopsy etc should have been done in dallas. Also amazing how the huge gaping hole in his skull was covered up

9.9/11 ? Was it planned in a cave? (Balls) It was Al Qaeda, but since that is a fragmented group as opposed to a rigid structured group it was unlikely to have been in a cave but someone who came up with a simple plan that got money from Bin Laden to carry it out. Devastatingly simple.

Reallly?? Devastatingly simple? So, they knew there were war excersises occuring ? and the greatest military on earth couldnt end this sooner?? Thats not the sort of information you find anywhere-inside info?? This incident defies the laws of physics and science aswell. And why were Bin Ladens family allowed to leave the USA when planes were meant to be grounded? And the hole in the Pentagon??? Rediculous. Loads of CCTV taken by FBI etc just after and never seen again.

 

[ODB]

8. Did Oswalds bullet kill Kennedy? (Not sure but I believe he was involved.) Yes it did, the forensic evidence stacks up and 50 years since and collapse of the USSR no solid evidence, proof or whistle blower has come forward.

the forensic evidence was doctored as was the notion Oswald shot a cheap mail order Carcano 3 times in less than 8 seconds which even the best snipers/sharp shooters cannot do in the given timeframe. It has been proven impossible as was the theory of one of the bullets hitting both JFK and Gov Connolly as it turned corners and directions :roll: Listen to James Files interview, he has nothing to lose and his story is backed up. And why remove JFK,s body later the same night. That was illegal as the autopsy etc should have been done in dallas. Also amazing how the huge gaping hole in his skull was covered up

9.9/11 ? Was it planned in a cave? (Balls) It was Al Qaeda, but since that is a fragmented group as opposed to a rigid structured group it was unlikely to have been in a cave but someone who came up with a simple plan that got money from Bin Laden to carry it out. Devastatingly simple.

Reallly?? Devastatingly simple? So, they knew there were war excersises occuring ? and the greatest military on earth couldnt end this sooner?? Thats not the sort of information you find anywhere-inside info?? This incident defies the laws of physics and science aswell. And why were Bin Ladens family allowed to leave the USA when planes were meant to be grounded? And the hole in the Pentagon??? Rediculous. Loads of CCTV taken by FBI etc just after and never seen again.

I see the same tired refutes being brought up with the same flawed naive logic behind them.

All your points have been refuted by countless sources, countless times. Read Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy by Vincent Bugliosi for a systematic deconstruction of the JFK conspiracy theories. After that none of the theories stand up under scrutiny, not the patsy, not the magic bullet, not the multiple gunmen, not the rate of fire. None of them, but then again its a large long book not published on a blog.

The 9/11 stuff has all been refuted, the Bin Laden flights occurred after the ban was lifted, the hole in the Pentagon was the front undercarriage, the CCTV has been released by the FBI, the collapse happened because steel loses its rigidity at high temperatures long before it melts. All explained, all released publicly, from various independent sources yet the same tired myths keep rearing their heads. Its an exercise is wanton ignorance.

 

[_Lee_]

I see the same tired refutes being brought up with the same flawed naive logic behind them.

All your points have been refuted by countless sources, countless times. Read Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy by Vincent Bugliosi for a systematic deconstruction of the JFK conspiracy theories. After that none of the theories stand up under scrutiny, not the patsy, not the magic bullet, not the multiple gunmen, not the rate of fire. None of them, but then again its a large long book not published on a blog.

The 9/11 stuff has all been refuted, the Bin Laden flights occurred after the ban was lifted, the hole in the Pentagon was the front undercarriage, the CCTV has been released by the FBI, the collapse happened because steel loses its rigidity at high temperatures long before it melts. All explained, all released publicly, from various independent sources yet the same tired myths keep rearing their heads. Its an exercise is wanton ignorance.

Fair points ODB

I have read through dozens of books about both aswell as watched all the documentaries, and i feel as though something is wrong somewhere. All the refutes you mentioned, how is anyone to know what is and isnt a cover up? Am i ignorant for not wanting to believe certain things, and do i become a nodding dog. We can discuss this all day long and will never agree. I dont read 'blogs' neither

Regarding JFK, there were plenty of reasons for certain people wanting him gone. You say none of the theories stand up but i find that hard to believe. That was a professional organised hit, not the work of a lone assassin with a crap rifle.

Regarding 9/11, that is rediculous to suggest the undercarriage made that hole and the rest of the plane vaporised leaving no wreckage or impact marks / debris on the grass in front of the Pentagon. Aeroplane engines do not Vaporize but they are nowhere to be seen nor is other wreckage. The CCTV shows 4 frames from ONE camera ?? Only one on the most protected building in USA and possibly the world ? Regarding the WTC, yes steel melts but there was more to it - firefighters testimonys etc have all been thrown out regarding explosives etc. They know what explosives sound like as do hundreds of demolition experts, structural engineers etc . Read David Ray Griffins books aswell as others.

It isnt wanton ignorance, its what is known as the goverment controling what they want to be told and who to say it too. Either way, we will never know the truth. I dont, you dont - its all theories on both sides, some more manipulated to help the perpetrators reach their goals.

 

[ODB]

Fair points ODB

I have read through dozens of books about both aswell as watched all the documentaries, and i feel as though something is wrong somewhere. All the refutes you mentioned, how is anyone to know what is and isnt a cover up? Am i ignorant for not wanting to believe certain things, and do i become a nodding dog. We can discuss this all day long and will never agree. I dont read 'blogs' neither

Regarding JFK, there were plenty of reasons for certain people wanting him gone. You say none of the theories stand up but i find that hard to believe. That was a professional organised hit, not the work of a lone assassin with a crap rifle.

Oswald killed JFK, its as simple as that. He was an ex Marine and was classed as a sharpshooter, the target that day wouldn't have posed a difficult one. The Warren Commission made a bit of a hash of their handling of the event but ultimately got the conclusion right.

Regarding 9/11, that is rediculous to suggest the undercarriage made that hole and the rest of the plane vaporised leaving no wreckage or impact marks / debris on the grass in front of the Pentagon. Aeroplane engines do not Vaporize but they are nowhere to be seen nor is other wreckage. The CCTV shows 4 frames from ONE camera ?? Only one on the most protected building in USA and possibly the world ? Regarding the WTC, yes steel melts but there was more to it - firefighters testimonys etc have all been thrown out regarding explosives etc. They know what explosives sound like as do hundreds of demolition experts, structural engineers etc . Read David Ray Griffins books aswell as others.

It isnt wanton ignorance, its what is known as the goverment controling what they want to be told and who to say it too. Either way, we will never know the truth. I dont, you dont - its all theories on both sides, some more manipulated to help the perpetrators reach their goals.

There are plenty of photos showing plane wreckage on the Pentagon lawn, the building itself is a hardened structure so wouldn't be extensively damaged but what it essentially a hollow aluminium tube. The reinforced, strong undercarriage, being the most dense item on the other hand is likely to damage the building. Planes do vaporise, google F4 vs reinforced concrete for video evidence. The cameras were setup for ground surveillance not to detect a jet moving at 500mph so their framerate is too low for them to capture the planes. There were and are hundreds of witnesses from the freeway right next to the crash site that saw the plane even even some that saw it hit but we shall ignore them and only pay attention to specific photos.

David Ray Griffins is a professor of Theology not structural engineering, so he is not best placed to critic building collapse, nor he is known for rational thinking but a slew of books all on conspiracy theories, so hardly an independent or impartial source. You could read his waste of space or the countless other books from experts in their fields all stating that the towers collapsed from a plane strike and a prolonged fire caused by jet fuel.

The evidence in both cases supports the official conclusions, whether or not the fallout from either events was used to further gain by people is another thing. If you are going to make extraordinary claims then you need extraordinary evidence and here it where all conspiracy theories fail. There simply isn't any. 30 seconds on Google answers all these claims made yet people still cling to the same old arguments, so yes it is wanton ignorance.