Unexplained mysteries

[bosk70]

When ever people at work would talk about UFO'S etc, I would always say that I don't believe we are the only life in the universe, but you have to take into the equation the massive unimaginable distances between possible civilisations / life, that may have evolved to ability to travel / warp space to cover these distances and also the most important point,.. Time.
Civilisations come and go in the blink of an eye on the time scale of the universe, suns / stars come and go over a slightly longer blink of an eye and the chances of our civilisation and an equally or more advanced civilisation being in existence at the same time and in the same neighbourhood is extremely remote. Not impossible :!: but very remote, win the lottery more than once remote. But people have won the lottery more than once so who knows :lol: very heavy but worth thinking about, they normally go silent at work whilst they think about it , even the most enthusiastic alien fans

 

[scott82]

Guys I have always been interested in the unexplained and mysterious. There are thousands of unexplained things happen within our world with no answer. I was wondering has anyone ever read much into them?
That's the reason why I like this forum because you are able to connect with people from all over the world and hear different opinions. I will list a few which fascinates me and don't believe the answer will ever be found.
I do have my own beliefs on every incident.
But i would be interested in hearing other people's opinions and beliefs on these events.

1.Where did the Incas go? (No idea Spanish never knew of machu picchu)

2.Why does the air shafts of the pyrimads line with the stars? (no idea)

3.Who built the statues on Easter island? And purpose? (No idea)

4.Is there underground military bases in Antarctica? (Wouldn't surprise me)

5.Was malloray the fist man to stand on the summit of everest? ( I have a gut feeling he was)

6.What did happen at Roswell? (No idea)

7.What happened at the Dyatlov pass incident? (possibly military)

8. Did Oswalds bullet kill Kennedy? (Not sure but I believe he was involved.)

9.9/11 ? Was it planned in a cave? (Balls)

10.Who made the crystal skulls? (No idea)

11.What is buried on Oak Island? Could it be the ark from the crusades? ( really fascinating )

12.what's the purpose of the Nasca lines? (No idea)

I have read and still can't come to a conclusion :? If anyone else has any other obvious ones which I have missed please list

love to hear any answers to these as theres Some very good ones here mate but id also like to add... who ate my last pop tart? no one in my house admits to it but its gone somewhere!?! :lol:

 

[yoda]

Guys I have always been interested in the unexplained and mysterious. There are thousands of unexplained things happen within our world with no answer. I was wondering has anyone ever read much into them?
That's the reason why I like this forum because you are able to connect with people from all over the world and hear different opinions. I will list a few which fascinates me and don't believe the answer will ever be found.
I do have my own beliefs on every incident.
But i would be interested in hearing other people's opinions and beliefs on these events.

1.Where did the Incas go? (No idea Spanish never knew of machu picchu)

2.Why does the air shafts of the pyrimads line with the stars? (no idea)

3.Who built the statues on Easter island? And purpose? (No idea)

4.Is there underground military bases in Antarctica? (Wouldn't surprise me)

5.Was malloray the fist man to stand on the summit of everest? ( I have a gut feeling he was)

6.What did happen at Roswell? (No idea)

7.What happened at the Dyatlov pass incident? (possibly military)

8. Did Oswalds bullet kill Kennedy? (Not sure but I believe he was involved.)

9.9/11 ? Was it planned in a cave? (Balls)

10.Who made the crystal skulls? (No idea)

11.What is buried on Oak Island? Could it be the ark from the crusades? ( really fascinating )

12.what's the purpose of the Nasca lines? (No idea)

I have read and still can't come to a conclusion :? If anyone else has any other obvious ones which I have missed please list

love to hear any answers to these as theres Some very good ones here mate but id also like to add... who ate my last pop tart? no one in my house admits to it but its gone somewhere!?! :lol:

Pop tarts haven't had them in awhile! Send one over in the box with those mocs :lol: :lol:

 

[Simply Sci-fi]

Anyone who considers the Earth not being what it is should read Stephen Hawking's a brief history of time and if you have read it and are still considering our planet is hollow then I give up. :lol:

Seriously though I'm not being rude but you only would have had to pay attention in your Science lessons at school to know our planet is basically a solid ball of rock with a liquid metal core. Also have you ever started digging to Australia on the beach when you were a kid? No way is our planet hollow! :lol:

Don't worry, I'm not a believer in the hollow Earth but you need to understand the mind set of conspiracy theory. Stating what you've been taught at school is not going to cut the mustard. According to conspiracy theorists, what we've all been presented with is inaccurate or is a deliberate cover up.

The trouble is that science/archaeology is extremely rigid in places and when past mistakes are found (such as the Sphinx seeming to be older than previously dated) it provides fuel for every kind of wild theory.

Speaking of Stephen Hawking, he is a gift to the scientific community because nobody can debate or argue with the man. He just churns out pretty much what he likes and everyone has to simply marvel. As a counterpoint to Hawking's book, try watching Horizon: Is Everything We Know About the Universe Wrong? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHTna9D3nIY

 

[yoda]

This is an old thread but it is a subject which is right up my street, considering that I have delved deeper into the worlds of alternative history and conspiracy theory than most people (although I have barely scratched the surface of many issues).

I am sympathetic towards to theories surrounding ancient technological societies that existed in the ancient past but I think that people jump to alien intervention far too easily. There are architectural wonders we can see today and written/pictorial evidence that cannot easily be explained. Even so our "official" history is never going to change.

I also lean towards the theories that there are human "cousins" out there in the world and also various extinct creatures that do a very good job of maintaining their mythical status. Probably around a third of the land mass of our planet has never been explored on foot and the ocean depths have barely been mapped. Even so, such things don't "officially" exist and that too is never going to change.

I have found that there seems to be cases of what may well be "state organised atrocities" including certain assassinations – the list is almost endless. In each case, even though the general public would find it repulsive, such things are probably done with the common good in mind, either for short term reasons, or to somehow steer the entire world in a certain direction. There is an "official history" that plots all of these events that will never change.

There are doubts in many people's minds about the technology of the modern world. Do satellites exist? Do we still require undersea cables? Did the moon landings happen? Does nuclear power exist? Is the International Space Station nothing but an empty tin can – and all of the interior shots faked? Are there cheaper/alternative sources of power? Do intercontinental missiles exist? Is the Large Hadron Collider a big fake? Do the Mars Rovers exist? Is the proposed manned expedition to Mars actually impossible and completely fake? Is all space technology fake? I will give an ear to all of these theories (except for the view that the world is in fact flat!). The answer that I will provide is, that in a Western world that is growing and needs to provide jobs and commerce, of course some of the technology that we are told exists, probably doesn't. When individuals, companies and countries have very deep pockets, they will be sold spurious things that keep the industrial complex going. Of course, all of our technology "officially" exists and that is never going to change.

What I am trying to say here is that we live in a bubble of officialdom - of the "official" line on every subject, and to look seriously into any conspiracy theory can lead to the whole house of cards of your world view tumbling down. You can also p**s off people who take the "official" stories as given. It insults people's intelligence to suggest that they have been sold a lie (and it could well be that they are correct anyway). I have come to the conclusion that there are far more important things in life than challenging the "official" line on things, unless you plan to write a book and make a heap of money.

Talking of which, I am hoping to publish a book based on my alternative theories on dinosaurs (which is one of my other great passions in life). If there is one "official" story that is easy to knock down, it's the one surrounding dinosaurs and you can do it without mentioning government cover-ups, aliens, divine intervention, or a flat Earth!.

By the way, if anyone would like to do some "alternative" reading, I would highly recommend "The Chrystal Sun: Rediscovering a Lost Technology of the Ancient World" by Robert Temple and "1421: The Year that China Discovered the World" by Gavin Menzies. Both offer an alternative view but well within the "official" story of history.

Some interesting looking books you have listed. I also find that interesting about the dinosaurs but don't know much about them. When do you hope to complete the book?
Do you believe a large meteorite lead to the extinction of them. I have know idea but I find that whole topic interesting.

 

[Simply Sci-fi]

I won't be taking issue with the theory that a meteorite caused massed extinctions. There is not a single reptile living today that is descended from dinosaurs, so scientists had to come up with a reason why. Modern day reptiles resemble the ones that scientists say came before and lived alongside the dinosaurs. It's one hell of a theory that – whammo – all of the dinosaurs died around the same time.

My problem is how scientists claim that dinosaurs "evolved" into birds, and how the theory is slowly being taught as fact. I'm nowhere near to publishing and I'd like to find a terrific artist to partner with. Ideally someone who can depict feathered dinosaurs.

If anyone reading is a believer in the "dinosaurs to birds" theory, I'd challenge them to find ANY two-legged dinosaur that had four toes, as birds do (a great many had their fourth toe attached high on their ankle, as a residual, no longer used body part). If someone can, I'll throw my research in the bin!

 

[yoda]

I won't be taking issue with the theory that a meteorite caused massed extinctions. There is not a single reptile living today that is descended from dinosaurs, so scientists had to come up with a reason why. Modern day reptiles resemble the ones that scientists say came before and lived alongside the dinosaurs. It's one hell of a theory that – whammo – all of the dinosaurs died around the same time.

My problem is how scientists claim that dinosaurs "evolved" into birds, and how the theory is slowly being taught as fact. I'm nowhere near to publishing and I'd like to find a terrific artist to partner with. Ideally someone who can depict feathered dinosaurs.

If anyone reading is a believer in the "dinosaurs to birds" theory, I'd challenge them to find ANY two-legged dinosaur that had four toes, as birds do (a great many had their fourth toe attached high on their ankle, as a residual, no longer used body part). If someone can, I'll throw my research in the bin!

Yes I do remember that about birds. I thought it was the bone structure they based the theory on?
As I said I haven't a clue about dinosaurs that's interesting.

 

[theforceuk]

Problem I have with conspiracy theories is they don't need any solid evidence to be a conspiracy theory. So the fact that what I have learnt at school from well educated members of society should not always be looked at as gospel is true to a certain degree. Problem is with most conspiracy theories they are arguing against basic facts or proven science. If the only explanation is that someone or lots of people are lying then I'm sorry but it's probably and realistically nonsense.

Take Stephen Halking as an example, he's dedicated his life to trying to understand how everything came to be and how it works. Yet I could just say no I don't believe any of it because I don't understand it or can't be bothered to prove him wrong, so I come up with a **** reason, or a conspiracy theory. Which is where you just start looking ignorant.

 

[ODB]

I won't be taking issue with the theory that a meteorite caused massed extinctions. There is not a single reptile living today that is descended from dinosaurs, so scientists had to come up with a reason why. Modern day reptiles resemble the ones that scientists say came before and lived alongside the dinosaurs. It's one hell of a theory that – whammo – all of the dinosaurs died around the same time.

My problem is how scientists claim that dinosaurs "evolved" into birds, and how the theory is slowly being taught as fact. I'm nowhere near to publishing and I'd like to find a terrific artist to partner with. Ideally someone who can depict feathered dinosaurs.

If anyone reading is a believer in the "dinosaurs to birds" theory, I'd challenge them to find ANY two-legged dinosaur that had four toes, as birds do (a great many had their fourth toe attached high on their ankle, as a residual, no longer used body part). If someone can, I'll throw my research in the bin!

Well the likes of Jack Horner say there is a definitive link from feathered dinosaurs to birds, so much so that they are attempting to reverse engineer dinosaurs from chickens:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-p...inosaur-within-5-to-10-years-2015-6?r=US&IR=T

Others have started the process and claimed success:

http://www.livescience.com/50886-scientific-progress-dino-chicken.html

While the question of four toes has also been addressed:

http://phys.org/news/2016-03-molecular-reverses-evolution-birds-dinosaur-like.html

Even a layman can see that the ankle structure of a dinosaur is very similar to a modern bird and it does not take a huge leap to see how one could evolve to the other. Plus the current theories are supported by the discovery of hybrid fossils such as Archaeopteryx which seem to support the theory as well. Although nothing is fact if your theory was sound it should be published via peer reviewed channels not self published book.

 

[Simply Sci-fi]

Problem I have with conspiracy theories is they don't need any solid evidence to be a conspiracy theory. So the fact that what I have learnt at school from well educated members of society should not always be looked at as gospel is true to a certain degree. Problem is with most conspiracy theories they are arguing against basic facts or proven science. If the only explanation is that someone or lots of people are lying then I'm sorry but it's probably and realistically nonsense.

Take Stephen Halking as an example, he's dedicated his life to trying to understand how everything came to be and how it works. Yet I could just say no I don't believe any of it because I don't understand it or can't be bothered to prove him wrong, so I come up with a **** reason, or a conspiracy theory. Which is where you just start looking ignorant.

I have no fear of looking ignorant, as I don't come from an academic background. I don't fully understand the ins and outs of cosmology. Right now, I'm counting toes on dinosaurs. If I live long enough, I will get on to the cosmologists. In the meantime, I becoming continually tired of the lack of debate and what I perceive to be the dishonesty in which theories are presented as fact. BBC 1 aired a prime time documentary "How to build a planet" presented by Richard Hammond in which the origin of Earth and the Solar System was neatly sewn up, only for BBC2 to broadcast an episode of "Horizon" a week later in which spilled the beans, that the current theories don't really hold water at all. Similarly Hammond presented "How to build a Universe" (even depicting the web of dark matter around the universe!), even though Horizon again has presented something a lot more honest in "Is Everything We Know About the Universe Wrong?" The general public could be forgiven for thinking that scientists have explained everything.

I would not describe it a deliberate cover up - but there is not a programme about space I am aware of that has taken the liberty of explaining that the disk of Solar System is not placed horizontally – it is in fact almost vertical, with the Earth and other planets orbiting up and over the Sun. What's more, the Sun is orbiting the Milky Way at 514,000 mph taking the planets, asteroid belt and everything else along for the ride. The planets are spiralling through the void – the Earth is completing one spiral every 365 days – or there abouts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU

An updated version of the same video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvgaxQGPg7I

An astronomer friend of mine shrugged his shoulders at the way that science does not make this concept more well known, citing that the general public likes to be shown things that are familiar to them. I suppose he could be right. The public may simply want to hear something reassuring and vaguely plausible, providing scientists with an easy life.

 

[Simply Sci-fi]

I won't be taking issue with the theory that a meteorite caused massed extinctions. There is not a single reptile living today that is descended from dinosaurs, so scientists had to come up with a reason why. Modern day reptiles resemble the ones that scientists say came before and lived alongside the dinosaurs. It's one hell of a theory that – whammo – all of the dinosaurs died around the same time.

My problem is how scientists claim that dinosaurs "evolved" into birds, and how the theory is slowly being taught as fact. I'm nowhere near to publishing and I'd like to find a terrific artist to partner with. Ideally someone who can depict feathered dinosaurs.

If anyone reading is a believer in the "dinosaurs to birds" theory, I'd challenge them to find ANY two-legged dinosaur that had four toes, as birds do (a great many had their fourth toe attached high on their ankle, as a residual, no longer used body part). If someone can, I'll throw my research in the bin!

Well the likes of Jack Horner say there is a definitive link from feathered dinosaurs to birds, so much so that they are attempting to reverse engineer dinosaurs from chickens:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-p...inosaur-within-5-to-10-years-2015-6?r=US&IR=T

Others have started the process and claimed success:

http://www.livescience.com/50886-scientific-progress-dino-chicken.html

While the question of four toes has also been addressed:

http://phys.org/news/2016-03-molecular-reverses-evolution-birds-dinosaur-like.html

Even a layman can see that the ankle structure of a dinosaur is very similar to a modern bird and it does not take a huge leap to see how one could evolve to the other. Plus the current theories are supported by the discovery of hybrid fossils such as Archaeopteryx which seem to support the theory as well. Although nothing is fact if your theory was sound it should be published via peer reviewed channels not self published book.

Speaking in a friendly way, I was asking people to find an example of a bipedal dinosaur with four toes. Under nature's mantra of "if you don't use it, you lose it" these creature's fourth toe became residual. If there a missing link that science would like to find, it must surely be a ground based bipedal dinosaur with four toes. Of course Archaeopteryx had four toes but the creature, according to the "from the ground up" theory was the culmination of the process and does not show the transition from ground to air.

It may appeal in principle but don't think that I will be able to get within a hundred miles of a "peer reviewed channel." If there is such a route for enthusiastic amateurs such as myself to express their theories, I would of course be very interested.

 

[theforceuk]

Problem I have with conspiracy theories is they don't need any solid evidence to be a conspiracy theory. So the fact that what I have learnt at school from well educated members of society should not always be looked at as gospel is true to a certain degree. Problem is with most conspiracy theories they are arguing against basic facts or proven science. If the only explanation is that someone or lots of people are lying then I'm sorry but it's probably and realistically nonsense.

Take Stephen Halking as an example, he's dedicated his life to trying to understand how everything came to be and how it works. Yet I could just say no I don't believe any of it because I don't understand it or can't be bothered to prove him wrong, so I come up with a **** reason, or a conspiracy theory. Which is where you just start looking ignorant.

I have no fear of looking ignorant, as I don't come from an academic background. I don't fully understand the ins and outs of cosmology. Right now, I'm counting toes on dinosaurs. If I live long enough, I will get on to the cosmologists. In the meantime, I becoming continually tired of the lack of debate and what I perceive to be the dishonesty in which theories are presented as fact. BBC 1 aired a prime time documentary "How to build a planet" presented by Richard Hammond in which the origin of Earth and the Solar System was neatly sewn up, only for BBC2 to broadcast an episode of "Horizon" a week later in which spilled the beans, that the current theories don't really hold water at all. Similarly Hammond presented "How to build a Universe" (even depicting the web of dark matter around the universe!), even though Horizon again has presented something a lot more honest in "Is Everything We Know About the Universe Wrong?" The general public could be forgiven for thinking that scientists have explained everything.

I would not describe it a deliberate cover up - but there is not a programme about space I am aware of that has taken the liberty of explaining that the disk of Solar System is not placed horizontally – it is in fact almost vertical, with the Earth and other planets orbiting up and over the Sun. What's more, the Sun is orbiting the Milky Way at 514,000 mph taking the planets, asteroid belt and everything else along for the ride. The planets are spiralling through the void – the Earth is completing one spiral every 365 days – or there abouts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU

An updated version of the same video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvgaxQGPg7I

An astronomer friend of mine shrugged his shoulders at the way that science does not make this concept more well known, citing that the general public likes to be shown things that are familiar to them. I suppose he could be right. The public may simply want to hear something reassuring and vaguely plausible, providing scientists with an easy life.

As I said before this is the problem with conspiracy theories always full of hot air but rarely prove anything factual. Not really sure what you mean by how the solar disc is orbiting our sun, our galaxy is full of over 100 million stars with solar discs orbiting pretty much all of those stars at different angles to each other, their is no up or down, north or south in space.

You don't need to be educated to see how our planet orbits the sun just look up at the night sky with the naked eye and see how the sky moves in relation to the fixed objects i.e. Stars.

 

[Simply Sci-fi]

The sun has a direction of travel around the Milky Way – which could be represented by your finger moving horizontally in front of your face. The "disk" of the planets orbiting the sun is almost vertical in relation to the Sun's movement – not horizontal which is shown on television and in text books. If the Earth's horizontal movement with the sun is combined with its near vertical orbit, you get a spiral – as depicted in the YouTube video links I included in my last post.

This is another good link: http://www.universetoday.com/107322/is-the-solar-system-really-a-vortex/

 

[ODB]

Speaking in a friendly way, I was asking people to find an example of a bipedal dinosaur with four toes. Under nature's mantra of "if you don't use it, you lose it" these creature's fourth toe became residual. If there a missing link that science would like to find, it must surely be a ground based bipedal dinosaur with four toes. Of course Archaeopteryx had four toes but the creature, according to the "from the ground up" theory was the culmination of the process and does not show the transition from ground to air.

All those links I posted would indicate that birds are descended from dinosaurs as their DNA has residual traces of dinosaur features. Just because we do not have a fossil with four toes does not make the theory invalid, there is enough supporting surrounding evidence to suggest that the theory is sound. Your argument is based on logical fallacy as opposed to evidence, just because there is not direct evidence does not mean that the theory is not valid.

It would be absurd to think that we could find every variant/evolution fossil or missing link as we simply don't have a roadmap of every evolution, Archaeopteryx is a hybrid and shows that the theory has a basis and is further supported by the DNA evidence and the skeletal record. Though Archaeopteryx is now believed not to be the godfather of modern birds but merely a transitional step.

It may appeal in principle but don't think that I will be able to get within a hundred miles of a "peer reviewed channel." If there is such a route for enthusiastic amateurs such as myself to express their theories, I would of course be very interested.

Well in the simplest terms a theory is no good unless it is reviewed, as any Tom, Dick or Harry can start pumping them out. This is why so many conspiracy theory or alternative history books are published privately as they would not meet the strict criteria for proper scientific analysis or discussion.

 

[yoda]

I won't be taking issue with the theory that a meteorite caused massed extinctions. There is not a single reptile living today that is descended from dinosaurs, so scientists had to come up with a reason why. Modern day reptiles resemble the ones that scientists say came before and lived alongside the dinosaurs. It's one hell of a theory that – whammo – all of the dinosaurs died around the same time.

My problem is how scientists claim that dinosaurs "evolved" into birds, and how the theory is slowly being taught as fact. I'm nowhere near to publishing and I'd like to find a terrific artist to partner with. Ideally someone who can depict feathered dinosaurs.

If anyone reading is a believer in the "dinosaurs to birds" theory, I'd challenge them to find ANY two-legged dinosaur that had four toes, as birds do (a great many had their fourth toe attached high on their ankle, as a residual, no longer used body part). If someone can, I'll throw my research in the bin!

Well the likes of Jack Horner say there is a definitive link from feathered dinosaurs to birds, so much so that they are attempting to reverse engineer dinosaurs from chickens:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-p...inosaur-within-5-to-10-years-2015-6?r=US&IR=T

Others have started the process and claimed success:

http://www.livescience.com/50886-scientific-progress-dino-chicken.html

While the question of four toes has also been addressed:

http://phys.org/news/2016-03-molecular-reverses-evolution-birds-dinosaur-like.html

Even a layman can see that the ankle structure of a dinosaur is very similar to a modern bird and it does not take a huge leap to see how one could evolve to the other. Plus the current theories are supported by the discovery of hybrid fossils such as Archaeopteryx which seem to support the theory as well. Although nothing is fact if your theory was sound it should be published via peer reviewed channels not self published book.

I have been reading some of those links and they are very interesting and will finish them tonight. I never knew the Velociraptor was the size of a turkey! And it also says they have very strong links to the chicken as we know.
That actually got me thinking of Roosters. I live on a farm and we used to have hen's and Roosters. We always kept them apart but sometimes they would cross paths when moving them around. I have witnessed bulls, Rams even goats or just about anything we have having a nod dust up now and again!
But I tell you one thing I have yet to see anything more vicious than those Roosters when they start. They were going to fight to the death and its very hard to separate them when they start. In the end one died from its injuries. I would never keep 2 again after that.
I wonder is there something deep in their dna from those Raptors. And if there is a strong link those Velociraptors really would be a dangerous little guy if he was still around today or anything bigger for that matter.

 

[theforceuk]

The sun has a direction of travel around the Milky Way – which could be represented by your finger moving horizontally in front of your face. The "disk" of the planets orbiting the sun is almost vertical in relation to the Sun's movement – not horizontal which is shown on television and in text books. If the Earth's horizontal movement with the sun is combined with its near vertical orbit, you get a spiral – as depicted in the YouTube video links I included in my last post.

This is another good link: http://www.universetoday.com/107322/is-the-solar-system-really-a-vortex/

Sorry I've missed something here, I don't understand your point at all. You can find out in about 3 clicks where we think our place is in the galaxy to the best of scientific knowledge. I've already said that their is no north or south in space, surely the fact that the BBC shows contradicting programmes proves that science does not claim to know everything about the universe but strives to find out one day, in the same way it has strived to help invent the technology we are using to communicate now.


Seriously we could go on for ever like this pointless debate when one side completely ignores proven scientific fact, all your facts seem to be based on documentaries of some sort. Don't get me wrong I respect you for questioning everything but their has to be a point where you say hold on a minute we seem to be going into the realms of phantasy at every turn just to have a reason to not believe what is common knowledge. Have you forgotten that we did used to think the world was flat that we were the centre of the universe and people were burned at the stake for suggesting and proving otherwise, what did they have to gain?

Science was behind this.

 

[Simply Sci-fi]

I am an "unsatisfied customer" of the output of the science community, partially because I have taken ten minutes to actually question things. I had already seen Horizon's programme explaining the deep rooted problems with current cosmological theories and I had read Michael Brooks' book "13 Things That Don't Make Sense" (which covers much of the same ground) before watching the BBC docs presented by Richard Hammond. Then came the hammer blow of the second Horizon programme which debunked how scientists say the Earth was formed. I can imagine that the average viewer will have sat down to watch "geezer" Richard Hammond acting as if everything has been solved, rather than sceptical Horizon on BBC2. Brian Cox too has a tendency to breeze though subjects as if science has left the word "theory" far behind it.

I think that people are generally unaware that the Earth is orbiting the Sun almost vertically, let alone moving in a spiral motion through space at incredible speed. It may not be one hundred percent accurate but believe that people have been genuinely surprised and even inspired by DjSadhu's video (have you watched it?). I put in "The Solar System" into a Google search and the only pictures I could find of the Sun hurtling through space, with the planets orbiting almost vertically in a spiral was of universetoday.com, which was posted in support of DjSadhu's video – so that's one beneficial result if nothing else. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvgaxQGPg7I

The public deserves to be provided with the full picture of the Solar System and beyond, and not be constantly presented with cosy certainties and familiar images such as the Solar System just sitting there in space. There seems to be an agenda to fix the idea of Dark Matter, Dark Energy, neutralinos, etc into the minds of the public as certainties (who would distrust Hammond or Coxy?). There seems to be a kind of tendency to treat science almost as a religion. There are dissenting voices such as Michael Brooks (and the odd Horizon programme) but not very many.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_Things_That_Don%27t_Make_Sense

 

[yoda]

I am an "unsatisfied customer" of the output of the science community, partially because I have taken ten minutes to actually question things. I had already seen Horizon's programme explaining the deep rooted problems with current cosmological theories and I had read Michael Brooks' book "13 Things That Don't Make Sense" (which covers much of the same ground) before watching the BBC docs presented by Richard Hammond. Then came the hammer blow of the second Horizon programme which debunked how scientists say the Earth was formed. I can imagine that the average viewer will have sat down to watch "geezer" Richard Hammond acting as if everything has been solved, rather than sceptical Horizon on BBC2. Brian Cox too has a tendency to breeze though subjects as if science has left the word "theory" far behind it.

I think that people are generally unaware that the Earth is orbiting the Sun almost vertically, let alone moving in a spiral motion through space at incredible speed. It may not be one hundred percent accurate but believe that people have been genuinely surprised and even inspired by DjSadhu's video (have you watched it?). I put in "The Solar System" into a Google search and the only pictures I could find of the Sun hurtling through space, with the planets orbiting almost vertically in a spiral was of universetoday.com, which was posted in support of DjSadhu's video – so that's one beneficial result if nothing else. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvgaxQGPg7I

The public deserves to be provided with the full picture of the Solar System and beyond, and not be constantly presented with cosy certainties and familiar images such as the Solar System just sitting there in space. There seems to be an agenda to fix the idea of Dark Matter, Dark Energy, neutralinos, etc into the minds of the public as certainties (who would distrust Hammond or Coxy?). There seems to be a kind of tendency to treat science almost as a religion. There are dissenting voices such as Michael Brooks (and the odd Horizon programme) but not very many.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_Things_That_Don%27t_Make_Sense

Yes I see now on the videos what your are saying. But if we are moving through the solar system like the video shows. The stars which we can see now. Would they not be continually changing all the time in the night sky? I can find the north star pretty easy and it always seems the same every time I look up. And the other stars around it always look in the same position. In fact i believe all the stars are still in the same position when I look up. Stars have always been used for navigation by man. I have done night navigation where you are shown the main stars to use for navigation if your compass is gone. If we were moving through space at speed behind the sun then how is it still possible to see the same stars?
Would we not be continually having to change the star charts?
This guy DjSadhu who is he? I have never heard of him before. Does he study the solar system ? How reliable do you think his video is have you read anything about him?
I do think his videos though are pretty cool!

 

[ODB]

I am an "unsatisfied customer" of the output of the science community, partially because I have taken ten minutes to actually question things.

It seems you are more prone to more logical fallacy flaws.

I had already seen Horizon's programme explaining the deep rooted problems with current cosmological theories and I had read Michael Brooks' book "13 Things That Don't Make Sense" (which covers much of the same ground) before watching the BBC docs presented by Richard Hammond. Then came the hammer blow of the second Horizon programme which debunked how scientists say the Earth was formed. I can imagine that the average viewer will have sat down to watch "geezer" Richard Hammond acting as if everything has been solved, rather than sceptical Horizon on BBC2. Brian Cox too has a tendency to breeze though subjects as if science has left the word "theory" far behind it.

You seem to be confusing the output of the BBC (which is dumbed down and hugely subjective and ultimately done for entertainment) with sound scientific theory and consensus. Every theory is never shown to be fact but the best guess at how things work. Science has also shown willingness to be challenged and when shown to be wrong theories are revised or removed. So your issue is more with the BBC than the theories.

I think that people are generally unaware that the Earth is orbiting the Sun almost vertically, let alone moving in a spiral motion through space at incredible speed. It may not be one hundred percent accurate but believe that people have been genuinely surprised and even inspired by DjSadhu's video (have you watched it?). I put in "The Solar System" into a Google search and the only pictures I could find of the Sun hurtling through space, with the planets orbiting almost vertically in a spiral was of universetoday.com, which was posted in support of DjSadhu's video – so that's one beneficial result if nothing else. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvgaxQGPg7I

The public deserves to be provided with the full picture of the Solar System and beyond, and not be constantly presented with cosy certainties and familiar images such as the Solar System just sitting there in space. There seems to be an agenda to fix the idea of Dark Matter, Dark Energy, neutralinos, etc into the minds of the public as certainties (who would distrust Hammond or Coxy?). There seems to be a kind of tendency to treat science almost as a religion. There are dissenting voices such as Michael Brooks (and the odd Horizon programme) but not very many.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_Things_That_Don%27t_Make_Sense

There is no up and down in space, there is no right way up as it is all relative, so either representation (vertical or horizontal) is correct. Your link also ignores that the universe is also expanding in ways we don't fully understand. The article also states that the popular view isn't intrinsically wrong but lacks exacting details and refinement, surely that is good enough.

You like to say you question the scientific fact and consensus by reading and the two authors you quote are less than trustworthy and very much into pseudoscience. Robert Temple for example is a proponent of the Dogon people being contacted by aliens, this claim has been debunked. The Crystal Sun is another work or false conclusions, speculations and pseudoscience. Gavin Menzies is another one whose book is consider sloppily researched, speculations and jumping to conclusions.

Rather than being an alternative view of history you have been reading the pseudoscience, which is nothing more than selling lies to people. You say you like to question and challenge mainstream science yet you aren't doing the same to your sources. Its very hard to take anything away from that other than you are believing lies and half truths rather than the general public.

 

[Simply Sci-fi]

I won't argue the point about DjSadhu's video, except that I believe that the average person would find it surprising – rather than someone who is extremely knowledgeable about the subject.

I am finding the conversation I am having with you (and you too theforceuk) to be valuable and extremely refreshing. Thank you for answering my points. It is incredible that people can be such polar opposites in their view of the world.

Please don't get me wrong, my bookshelf is crammed with books of every description, from the highly respectable to the down-right crazy. I don't think that I will ever have full faith in orthodox books because all of the areas of academia are extremely rigid in their principles. Wikipedia mentions Peter Golas being a critic of the book The Crystal Sun, but as Professor of History at the University of Denver, with expertise in Chinese history, it is not guaranteed that his motivations are not bound up with protecting his own academic work. That is the quandary that faces academia – the established experts are trusted to review new works but at the same time they wish to protect their own reputations. Nobody wishes to be made to look like a fool. Alternative authors may have some wild ideas and sometimes do not conduct the research they should, but they can explore areas that academia will not.

The subjects that I would like to address regarding dinosaurs are certainly not being tackled by mainstream science. The "from the ground up" theory of the evolution of flight seems to me to be the wrong shape in the hole but the majority of palaeontologists are now joining in with ramming it into place. I think personally that the true story of flight in dinosaurs and birds is a lot more complicated than is currently believed. I have taken an extremely forensic approach to my upcoming book on Star Wars in Britain (via McFarland books) and I hope to be able to convince a publisher that I can produce similar work on dinosaurs and the transition to flight. Even though I one of those Tom, Dick and Harrys!