Today on Facebook...

[Jimi Woolley]

Is it just me or is this variant nonsense getting out of hand? There will be 5,000 different versions of every figure if people continue kidding themselves that every tiny difference in paint, mould, COO etc is a legitimate, deliberate variant.

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Well technically he's not asking for a specific coo he's asking for a mould family variant.
The figures with these 2 coo's would've come from a unique mould that would have been used in one factory (usually) This factory would also have their own spray masks, would also source their own plastic and have their own accessory moulds....
Sounds like it has the potential to be quite different to the Fam I & II DSC's to me.

 

[Jimi Woolley]

Is it just me or is this variant nonsense getting out of hand? There will be 5,000 different versions of every figure if people continue kidding themselves that every tiny difference in paint, mould, COO etc is a legitimate, deliberate variant.

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This is a bit different. As you know there are three mould families for DSC - all slightly different. But I'll bet if you go through yours very few of you have a family 3 DSC. I think all collectors should go for the one example from each family.

Sorry didn't see your reply when I posted mine

 

[edd_jedi]

I've never even heard the phrase "family" with any figure before, let alone the DSC. As far as I'm concerned there is one DSC figure :lol: Sorry to say it guys but it's madness like this that is driving up prices, turning £2 beater figures in to holy grail 'one of a kind' variants.

 

[Jimi Woolley]

I've never even heard the phrase "family" with any figure before, let alone the DSC. As far as I'm concerned there is one DSC figure :lol: Sorry to say it guys but it's madness like this that is driving up prices, turning £2 beater figures in to holy grail 'one of a kind' variants.

It amazes me how quickly people pick up on variants when they realise there is money to be made!

I think what's great about this hobby is that there is something for everyone. Some people have real passion for carded figures and can tell you what cardback variants are tough to find for each figure yet others couldn't tell you what cardbacks are even available but could tell you the COO of a figure from looking at the front of the figure and then go on to tell you what factory it was made in!

 

[edd_jedi]

Yeah I'm not so much against the identification side of it, as you say yes there are loads of cardback variations. The difference with loose variants seems to be that it is a license to print money. I've been picking up trilogo MOC variants over the last couple of years and on the whole the difference in value is minimal. Yet with loose figures for some bizarre reason one COO can sell for ten or even 100 times the value of another, and let's face it no loose production figures are rare. Just because a loose figure was made in Spain doesn't mean they only made 5 of them :roll:

 

[Pantzman]

It can be as deep as you want to go. There's nothing wrong with collecting, admiring and displaying, but when you get to a certain point it's just aS rewarding to go into study. Personally I'm trying to match weapon moulds with figure moulds from specific factories. Totally pointless and unnessessary but why not?
I wouldn't say there was money in mould variants but people certainly try to for visual paint differences.

 

[poncho]

It can be as deep as you want to go. There's nothing wrong with collecting, admiring and displaying, but when you get to a certain point it's just aS rewarding to go into study. Personally I'm trying to match weapon moulds with figure moulds from specific factories. Totally pointless and unnessessary but why not?
I wouldn't say there was money in mould variants but people certainly try to for visual paint differences.

ive noticed you doing this on the court. theres one thing you can say about our toy line theres something for everyone be it a beater, pre production, variants loose and moc variants, weapon variants which i know you love....the list goes on.

and end of the day we buy sell and collect beautfiul things

 

[M4K3R1]

COO collecting can be a great way to collect, if you don't go over the top with all the made up definitions floating around today.
Every one feels the need to put a title in front of common coo variants, for eg: Palitoy, Meccano etc, followed by a big price, this is false as most coo variant were packed into various cardback, and same cardbacks had diiferent coo packed into them. Some COO variants can be a little more difficult to pick up, they will carry a bit more to the price, but 95% of the COO are quite common.
Variants to me are the different coo stamps on the back of the legs, each coo stamp has a pair to it, which usually has a very minor difference to the pair of stamps ( this falls into the category of mold family ) each mold family usually has details which can be attributed to that mold family.
Paint differences I prefer to put in the category of versions of a certain coo, not a variant in the sense of the word variant. A single COO can have paint differences in colour.
Certain capes, accessories, weapons, will usually go with a certain mold family.
It can be quite fun chasing variants
Then there is always the oddball stuff, unpainted, defects can be interesting too.
Variants is an area of the hobby that you either agree with or you don't, if you do, you quickly become obsessed chasing variants, if you don't, well you don't, that's fine.
I like what Pantzman said, "It can be as deep as you want to go"
Just look at Wolffs collection, close to 700 or 800 different figures. Set by COO stamps only.

 

[SAVORY100]

I got a bit lost with black, blue black, metallic and blue blasters... :? Now I see that there are V1-V10(?) for each of those.. which to my mind is utter bobbins... every factory will have had many dozens of molds running at any given time to keep up with production, each will have been microscopically different and therefore we return to the never ending question/query of who should have which blaster and whether a POTF or Tri-Logo is different from each other... I feel I'm spiraling down a never ending drain on my own will to live at times... as if being flushed down a toilet...

Although for knowledge and cataloging I understand the motives and of course it stands a chance of reducing the reproduction items in circulation with serious collectors, however, I also have deep concerns that the overly aggressive categorisation of variants in weapons particulary is in turn running the risk of destroying real weapons as well as those vile repro things while some folk catch-up.

Having said all that, I do have a number of COO 'variants' in my Han Solo and Rebel Soldier runs, but actually I like (and collect) the different tones of plastics and paint apps (as much as the COO) which to be fair are often likely to be associated with degradation anyway... :lol:

 

[weasel]

Variant collectors..............I'm saying nothing. :roll: :lol:

 

[tiefighterboy]

Variant collectors..............I'm saying nothing. :roll: :lol:

I think that's what drove a couple people away from TIG. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[mumbo]

You know when there's a variant collector about because they're always asking for close ups of the figures arse :lol:

 

[Jez]

You know when there's a deviant collector about because they're always asking for close ups of the figures arse :lol:

I corrected that for you Stephen

 

[MarkG]

Pack of 5 cardback 6x9 toploaders for £7.50 + postage... ruddy bargain..

Can get 25 for £17.99 posted off ebay..

 

[walkie]

Is it just me or is this variant nonsense getting out of hand? There will be 5,000 different versions of every figure if people continue kidding themselves that every tiny difference in paint, mould, COO etc is a legitimate, deliberate variant.

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I for one would love that figure, which is surrounded with mystery as there are no known carded or baggies examples in collectors hands and most finds have come from the UK, Leicester and surrounding areas

 

[wrighty]

Variant collect has gone mental it used to be vinyl or cloth Jawa. Now there is COO, cloth material, stitch colours etc etc. The other day someone posted a picture of different Jawa hood sizes and try to imply the small hood are transition from vinyl to cloth cape, what a load of BS I told him!! :lol:

 

[Dannywhiteley]

I believe small hood are much later than the larger hood. Not that I care.

 

[edd_jedi]

I for one would love that figure, which is surrounded with mystery as there are no known carded or baggies examples in collectors hands and most finds have come from the UK, Leicester and surrounding areas

This is a classic example of the word "one of a kind" being misused. There are none known because nobody cares enough to check :lol: I could say my one eye brow Luke X-Wing is one of a kind because nobody has ever listed one for sale before. It's silly.

 

[walkie]

I'm with you boys on a lot of stuff.....stitch colour, hood size all that stuff is bonkers as pretty much anything factory made will have batch to batch differences.

Nothing wrong with coo collecting, there's plenty of focus collectors on here collecting all the different MOC's, which is also variant collecting at heart.

As for the DSC, I have £200 sat here if anyone has one sitting in their collection that they don't know about.

 

[Cardbackkid]

I'm with you boys on a lot of stuff.....stitch colour, hood size all that stuff is bonkers as pretty much anything factory made will have batch to batch differences.

Nothing wrong with coo collecting, there's plenty of focus collectors on here collecting all the different MOC's, which is also variant collecting at heart.

As for the DSC, I have £200 sat here if anyone has one sitting in their collection that they don't know about.

What DSC variant are you after ?