Talk about new Star Wars movie, do not read if you have NOT seen it

[ScruffyLookingNH]

Got back at lunch time having seen it a second time. The good news is despite knowing exactly what was coming I enjoyed it just as much.

Couple of bugbears which I hope some can help with. Probably come up with more as I think about them:

1) What is (was) the Republic doing about the First Order and why not do something directly rather than "support" the Resistance? Bureaucracy in the Senate again?

2) Where was the lines "Who are you?" and the response "I'm no one" in the film that was in the trailer? I'm sure there were a couple of instances like this but will have to rewatch the trailer to be sure? The voice sounded a little like the CGI character that had Luke's lightsabre, but not quite. She would fit as the one asking the question, though. Perhaps an early edit that never made it to the final cut?


Ian_C, with respect, I can't possibly value anyone's criticism of this film if they've not seen it. It's like rubbishing the taste of oysters without ever having tried one. I hate seafood. I have no wish to ever try an oyster, however I am in absolutely no position at all to slag them off despite the plethora of unpleasant descriptions from people who don't like them. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, but until you've watched this please excuse me if I discount it. You've made your decision in respect of lining Disney's pockets and I respect your choice in that, but not of the film. And yes, I too have judged films before I've seen them and written them off a "chick flick" and the like. I too choose not to go and see them, but I don't take to arguing against them or offering opinion on them; I simply don't watch them.

 

[DarthStanley]

Just come back from watching it a second time & will probably watch it again! 8)

I just don't get how someone like Ian & other people who just refuse to have anything to do with it because Lucas has flogged it to Disney can call themselves Star Wars fans?

I'm not surprised Lucas sold it after all the **** he got from the prequel trilogy which admittedly wasn't a patch on the OT plus the special editions,which all he did was add some extra bits to which he couldn't do at the time of the originals.The poor guy just can't win,regarding the PT,EVERYONE wanted to know how Anakin became Vader regardless of how good/bad the films turned out.People seem to forget that we wouldn't have any SW films,toys which we collect if it wasn't for his genius/imagination!

I loved TFA & it is better than the PT,I'm just glad I still get to watch new SW films which is something I thought I would NEVER see after ROTJ in 1983!

Ian,I respect your opinion & it's your choice if you don't want to see the new films (even though you could do worse & have watched the PT! :lol: ) but could I please ask you: what would you have WANTED to see happen in the TFA & further sequels or would you rather it all finished in 83 with ROTJ?

Mark

 

[tobedesu]

2) Where was the lines "Who are you?" and the response "I'm no one" in the film that was in the trailer? I'm sure there were a couple of instances like this but will have to rewatch the trailer to be sure? The voice sounded a little like the CGI character that had Luke's lightsabre, but not quite. She would fit as the one asking the question, though. Perhaps an early edit that never made it to the final cut?

I wondered that too. And that little tune that plays in the background of that clip. It was definitely the Lor San Tekka character that spoke those words.
Also where Finn and Ren fight, in the trailer it shows Ren's sabre ligthing up but can't recall that in the film as he had it lit up before he fought Finn.

 

[Fishtalk]

Having slept on it, I like it a little more. It's a fun, enjoyable movie but it didn't blow me away. Obviously better than the Prequels but just...underwhelming. The audience I saw it with shuffled out of the cinema in silence, save for a few comments of "Is that it?"

I need to see it again, away from the hype and preferably not in 3D.

 

[Ian_C]

Ian,

I don't know what you bring to this forum other than pissing on everyone's fun.

Grant,


Sorry you're in a dark place and have recently wanted to leave the hobby, but don't use me as a scapegoat.

Ian

Dark place? Leaving the Hobby? Want are you talking about?

It's because I think your a douche.

Tedious.

http://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=27374&start=15

Hi folks,
Not one for wanting to draw attention (unless its about TIE Pilots and fecking Ugrades), but there's a good group of you guys I want to send a blanket message to.

With the Force Awakens approaching, I don't want to be spoiled by reading anything in error. This means blocking every Star Wars page and Facebook. It will also mean leaving the forum for a while.

To be honest, my collecting bug is gone. Whether it is trolls and their constant Star Wars bashing, infighting, ridiculously inflated prices, the fun of the hobby has left us. Perhaps it will return after everything has calmed down.

THAT is what I was talking about. You had 20 replies (including one from me), expressing sorrow you were leaving the board and/or hobby. You posted nothing to indicate you weren't leaving in reply to those posts. Were these the thoughts of a drama queen, since apparently you weren't leaving after all?

I have repeatedly said my opinions of TFA were mine, and that I hope everyone gets what they want out of it. However, my attitude towards it was different than most others. And for that, you believe I am a douche? For thinking different than you, and articulating it with backing up my reasons rather than just ranting?

Little secret, which should come as no surprise since you knew me on RS too. I don't care about people's opinions about me. I say what's on my mind, sometimes to the detriment of my popularity, but I am always honest and not superficial. If you don't like me, ignore me if it bothers you so much that a different opinion makes you feel the fun is gone. I'm not that thin skinned.

Sorry to everyone else. I'm trying to be respectful to most of you. If anyone wants to dismiss my opinions on the basis I haven't watched it, fair play.

Mark, I'm a Lucas purist. I don't hate TFA. I just have no interest. Saying I hate it is the words of others assuming that's what I mean. It is purely my own opinion that without Lucas's involvement, it's not a real SW movie to me. I am still just as much a fan as anyone who can't stand EU, or the PT (which you somewhat put down in this very post I'm replying to). Having said that, what I would have wanted to see in TFA would be Lucas's vision. That's it. Good or bad, I would have been all for it if he was the primary creative force behind it.

Ian

 

[Grant_C]

Well you should take into account of the every Star Wars fan that has made and maintained this forum of the years that you are visiting.

Freedom to express what you want is fine. But your insistence of masterbating Star Wars bashing is petty, tedious and bringing nothing to the forum.

Perhaps go back to Hogwarts or whever you came from.

I'm not into bootlegs, but you won't find me posting multiple times in every bootleg thread that they are not licences by Lucas so they are rubbish.

Really childish if you.
If anyone else feels the same, let it be known.
Any way, back to TFA reviews.

 

[DarthStanley]

Mark, I'm a Lucas purist. I don't hate TFA. I just have no interest. Saying I hate it is the words of others assuming that's what I mean. It is purely my own opinion that without Lucas's involvement, it's not a real SW movie to me. I am still just as much a fan as anyone who can't stand EU, or the PT (which you somewhat put down in this very post I'm replying to). Having said that, what I would have wanted to see in TFA would be Lucas's vision. That's it. Good or bad, I would have been all for it if he was the primary creative force behind it.

Ian

Ian,no worries mate,each to their own! 8)

 

[stormcab]

Saw it at 2pm here in the UK.

It was what I was expecting, not good nor bad. "plodding" is the only word I can think off.

(thoughts below are not in any order, just as they come to me)

-one of things that propelled the originals was the soundtrack. This had bugger all in terms of soundtrack. Simply relying on a couple of recognisable score moments just to pull at your heart-strings.

-Hated the CGI mixed in with real sets. All that effort for real models & sets then crappy CGI in the next scene.

-did anyone else think the CGI stars looked too liner? Just a little thing at the start that bugged me.

-as soon as Oscar Isaac's character opened his mouth I knew that would set the tone for the movie. He's an amazing actor, and so versatile in US & UK films. He seemed like an actor fresh off a TV series in this

-there was never any sinister threat from Kylo Ren. The comedy moments were way off. It reminded me too much of Spaceballs.

-"I've kept Luke Skywalker's lightsaber locked away" what, down some stairs in a wooden box????

"the new "death star" looked like a matt painting

-what the holy f**k was that CGI supreme leader??? Gollum taking "eat me" pills from Alice In Wonderland?

-how the f**k can a deserter Stormtrooper be that good with a lightsaber against a trained Sith???

-that ship is just junk (Millennium Falcon). What, the one that has been left open for anyone to get on, all the electrics are on, and it can still do light speed? oh and with all those TIE fighters blowing everything up, they didn't spot the biggest thing there and destroy that first?

-wow those X-wings pilots are accurate with their shots. One manages to hit a Stormtrooper standing 6 inches next to Han Solo from half a mile away!

-Lucky Finn was carried off by the CGI alien with tenticles instead of being eaten straight away like everyone else.

-think back to all the officers of the empire of the original films. Not shouty, just calm and sinister. Brilliantly cast. This lot were useless.

-the control room script was definitely a throwback to the prequel's bad acting standards. Yes good to see non CGI characters with their lips out of sync though.

-the dog fights were so so, but I would say the dog fights in Return Of The Jedi are the best ever committed to film. I will also add the ships were more realistic in ROTJ, and moved so much better.

-Phasma? what a complete and utter waste of a character.

-feels way to "corporate", as of Disney, and thus you are kept hanging for the next one. That was always my issue with the Empire Strikes Back. I always hated the non-ending ending. That I couldn't just watch it as a single film without needing to then finish it with ROTJ

That's it for now. Gonna sit down and watch the originals to cleanse my palette.

 

[stratpack]

One minor thing I'm glad Disney got right was not adding a Disney Castle or Mickey Mouse symbol or some other Disneyesque symbol at the beginning.
Just Lucasfilm, Star Wars logo and into the EP7 crawl - as perfect as it could have been for a non Fox film.

They must have known the Fox fanfare was so iconic there's no point in trying to compete so don't put anything there. They're clever enough not to rub the Disney branding in our faces too much!

 

[db94]

Well just back from seeing it a second time and my opinion hasn't changed - not a fan at all
JJ had all the building blocks for a great film - fine cast, practical effects and he indeed created a fantastic real SW universe for us but the story just let it down.

Spent the last hour as a family comparing every scene in TFA to OT scenes and it really is a combination of iconic scenes but without a great music score to lift it along.

Whole film was rushed, compare Rey to Luke - she was doing amazing Jedi **** straight away while we had to wait until ESB before Luke was doing anything cool. Would have preferred to have it develop over several films.

No one can deny JJ has just blatantly copied scenes from OT e.g SW opening scene - stormtrooper rush in blasters firing, Vader steps in, picks a guy up, asks a few questions then brutally kills him setting him up as a bad ass villain. Compare that to Keylo's entrance - exactly the same!

Rey and Kylo's lightsaber duel (while death star is being attacked/destroyed) exactly the same as Luke and Vader right down Vader lying defeated on ground.

Think of any scene in the TFA and you'll easily find the same in one of the OT's

Daughter really liked it but all I get from it is rushed story telling with obvious lifts from original films. Jesus how many times to we have to see the rebels attack the death star in exactly the same way!

As for Han Solo I'm afraid I didn't get the SW or ESB Solo I so desperately wanted instead it was the ROTJ/Indiana Jones version, ****in shame, really was.

I'm disappointed and a bit pissed that I bought in to the JJ hype, I'll wait patiently for the original theatrical release of the OT until then I'm glad so many of you enjoyed it but just not my Star Wars.

P.S. Had a bit of a bollocking from my wife for being down on it and potentially impacting on my daughters enjoyment so I'm shutting up now.

 

[Ian_C]

Well you should take into account of the every Star Wars fan that has made and maintained this forum of the years that you are visiting.

Freedom to express what you want is fine. But your insistence of masterbating Star Wars bashing is petty, tedious and bringing nothing to the forum.

Perhaps go back to Hogwarts or whever you came from.

I'm not into bootlegs, but you won't find me posting multiple times in every bootleg thread that they are not licences by Lucas so they are rubbish.

Really childish if you.
If anyone else feels the same, let it be known.
Any way, back to TFA reviews.

Grant, I'm really surprised to be getting this from you.

Calling on your years here? Ummm.....and? I've been on RS longer than this board has been in existence (NO slagging of this board intended guys! it's better here than elsewhere), and many of you know me from there. My point saying this is that you defending yourself on seniority goes about as far as me using the same thing on RS. And that's worth about the cost of a cup of coffee. I respect longtime members, but it doesn't put people on a pedestal - just as I don't feel entitled to one on RS.

I actually get what you're saying. And I hope you and anyone who feels the same way realizes it's 100% hypocritical to go around always bashing the PT, modern lines, and anything else you don't like on a regular basis, and then try to restrict me expressing an opinion. Would you like to trash talk and insult the other people in here who did see it and have come away disappointed, and expressed why? Do you insult and ridicule Lee, whose opinions are generally the same as mine and have been for a long time? If not, what's the difference?

But that's okay. Go back to calling me a douche, troll, childish, someone from Hogwarts, whatever. Your anger over someone with a different opinion of a ****ing movie is more concerning than someone who is posting criticisms.

*kisses*


Mark, thanks for understanding. Cheers to you!

Ian

 

[theslider]

Watched it this morning and it's very good IMO. It's not going to please everyone, but it does a pretty good job. In fact the only thing I didn't like was the fact that they mentioned that Stormtroopers are still clones - STUPID! Especially as they don't act like clones!

Solid 8 out of 10 for me. 100 times better than any of the dog **** that were the prequels.

They didn't say Stormtroopers are still clones. Referring to the deserter Stormtrooper (Finn) the Nazi first order bloke said his MEN are well trained and Kylo Ren said clones would be/are better, or words to that effect.

My mistake, I must have mis-heard. It's all good then!

 

[sith-smith]

I'm still trying to digest what i saw from 12:30 onwards this morning. Having had an hour's sleep, then working all day, I'm too tired to really be sure what i feel about it.

I have however come to the conclusion that i need to see it again.

I think in reality I'm more interested in seeing movies that take place in the time frame of the OT, or even post ROTS to Jedi. For me as a History graduate, it's like someone being more interested in studying certain historical periods to others.

That said i felt the same way when i saw TPM but eventually became a little more familiar with that time period. Maybe the same will be true with this new one. Not giving up on the film just yet

 

[db94]

-that ship is just junk (Millennium Falcon). What, the one that has been left open for anyone to get on, all the electrics are on, and it can still do light speed? .

Great post -

So many things were convenient which I know is necessary for a plot to move along but so many of these convenient things just made the film rushed! Way too much too soon. We didn't need an amalgam of all 3 OT films for the first sequel film.

 

[Ian_C]

P.S. Had a bit of a bollocking from my wife for being down on it and potentially impacting on my daughters enjoyment so I'm shutting up now.

Apparently, you're going to get the same treatment now from Grant, because you're pissing on his fun. :roll:

Ian

 

[Lee Bullock]

All I will say is this; if you saw the film and didnt like it fair play. Everybody is entitled to their opinion and I will respect that opinion if its based on actually viewing the movie.

If you are forming an opinion based your own prejudices after refusing to even see the film and then shouting it from the roof tops then I have no respect for your uninformed, ignorant opinion. You are welcome to hold such an opinion and to voice it but I will unlikely to take anything you say seriously here again.

I have held my tongue on here for the sake of keeping the peace. I had even considered leaving just to avoid the soul-crushing negativity and not getting drawn in to the inevitable melee.

The post about having the synopsis and using that fact to piss on the films was beyond the pail and in my opinion overstepped the mark. There was absolutely no need for that; it was disrespectful to other posters and going to such effort to find this WAS about pissing on other peoples parade. We are a long standing community here of 10 years and I expect more mutual respect and consideration than that.

 

[theslider]

In the end, negative criticism shouldn't be discarded. After all, many of you have been trashing the PT for a decade and a half now, and that's not been easy to keep reading year after year either.


Ian

That's cos they're ****ing shite films! This one is not!

 

[stratpack]

Well just back from seeing it a second time and my opinion hasn't changed - not a fan at all
JJ had all the building blocks for a great film - fine cast, practical effects and he indeed created a fantastic real SW universe for us but the story just let it down.

Spent the last hour as a family comparing every scene in TFA to OT scenes and it really is a combination of iconic scenes but without a great music score to lift it along.

Whole film was rushed, compare Rey to Luke - she was doing amazing Jedi **** straight away while we had to wait until ESB before Luke was doing anything cool. Would have preferred to have it develop over several films.

No one can deny JJ has just blatantly copied scenes from OT e.g SW opening scene - stormtrooper rush in blasters firing, Vader steps in, picks a guy up, asks a few questions then brutally kills him setting him up as a bad ass villain. Compare that to Keylo's entrance - exactly the same!

Rey and Kylo's lightsaber duel (while death star is being attacked/destroyed) exactly the same as Luke and Vader right down Vader lying defeated on ground.

Think of any scene in the TFA and you'll easily find the same in one of the OT's

Daughter really liked it but all I get from it is rushed story telling with obvious lifts from original films. Jesus how many times to we have to see the rebels attack the death star in exactly the same way!

As for Han Solo I'm afraid I didn't get the SW or ESB Solo I so desperately wanted instead it was the ROTJ/Indiana Jones version, ****in shame, really was.

I'm disappointed and a bit pissed that I bought in to the JJ hype, I'll wait patiently for the original theatrical release of the OT until then I'm glad so many of you enjoyed it but just not my Star Wars.

P.S. Had a bit of a bollocking from my wife for being down on it and potentially impacting on my daughters enjoyment so I'm shutting up now.

That's a shame it hasn't grown on you with a 2nd viewing mate. I've seen it a 2nd time today as well and I actually feel more positive 2nd time around. There are loads of common threads from ANH running all the way through it, it irked me as well. My mates and I have been discussing it all day and keep coming back to the realisation that its not really meant for us old farts, its to try and entice a younger crowd that maybe don't hold the OT with such reverance - if they've even seen the OT at all.
I still enjoyed it and I'll keep seeing the new films but like someone else said earlier on here, the realisation that we'll never get that old time feeling from a new film is sobering and is what ultimately disappoints me more than anything.

I'm going to see it with my 7 year old on Saturday - if he likes it then i'll be absolutely stoked!

 

[theforceuk]

This thread is catching up with latest acquisitions. :lol:

I think anyone who is getting stressed out by this thread should chill out for a bit and take a toke on Jabbas pipe. Afterall were all tired, well everyone that watched the film that is.

I've seen threads like this about the prequels and they just go silly, I respect everyones opinion on here. 8)

My misses loved it and told me to shut up when I said it's not as good as ROTS. :lol:

 

[Richard_H]

Overall rating 8/10 for me.

Yes admittedly I was tired, and conscious of the fact I had my kids and knew they had to get up for school / work the next day. Here's my current thoughts but I need to watch it again:

No fanfare at the start at all. Was surprised by that. Unless I was asleep. I thought there was a new one.

Opening crawl - great introduction but didn't tell a lot of the last 30 years.

Rey - great acting and loved this character. But I don't like how she's suddenly this amazingly talented force user who can do things that Luke couldn't do whilst training with Yoda. Kylo should have been able to easily best her despite her staff training.

Finn - again, holds his own with a lightsaber. Facing Kylo he should have been chopped down.

General Hux - loved this character. I like the way they have two apparent equals vying for the attention of Snoke.

Kylo Ren - great performance. Agree with some comments above the mask could have stayed on, except for the Han scene

Han - great part. Was clearly a contractual thing. Now he won't be pestered with SW anymore

Leia - wondered how they'd filter her husky voice. Very little impact in this. No idea why she is referred to as general

Phasma - pointless. Gave up and did the most stupid thing.

First Order - awesome. Stormtroopers that can hit things

BB8 - enjoyed the performance. Provided light relief and is a real character

C3PO - unnecessary

R2D2 - great idea what they do with this robot

Poe - very good character. Glad he got shot down to give him some mortality

Xwing Pilots - no attachment with any of them. In the OT we knew Wedge, Gold Leader, Red 2 etc......

CGI Creatures - no issues, enjoyed them

Chewie - Provided some light relief. Not sure if we'll see chewie in Ep VIII

MF - great introduction. How does Rey know so much about this when Han struggled?

Force - great! Back to basics! no midichlorians

Luke - easiest payday ever. No lines?!

Music - I can't remember any of it except for the OT stuff. I was disappointed. No new killer themes that I can recall. Cantina song was ok

Starkiller Base - again! Don't mind the concept but another exhaust port?

Effects - awesome. 10/10

Pace - too fast. Some parts needed slowed slightly. Start was great. I think the novel for this will be awesome.

Trailers beforehand - ****ing shite. Why couldn't they start at 11:30?