Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.

[mr_palitoy]

I'd hand fire on being so sure. There's split opinion on it being a TT. Personally, I think it is but as Edd says, a photo from between the bubble stems will help as will an angled shot of the rear to see if there is any impression or the bubble at all. Don't write it off just yet....

As yet none of the bubbles with irregularly spaced pin holes have been seen on genuine MOCs. The pin hole bubbles also have double stems

Happy to be proved wrong but that's the biggest tell to me

Those pin holes were on a lot of my ROTJ AFA 90 palitoy Tonis. Either they are bubble defects and hence why the bubbles were never used in the factory or they are imprints made by a tool Toni used to keep the bubbles in place while they were being sealed. Either way, as you say, they are only seen on cards Toni has sealed.

Jason

 

[spoons]

Thanks Jason - thought my pinhole comments were going unheeded

 

[itfciain]

Are the pin holes found on graded cards - and if so did it affect the grades at all ?

 

[spoons]

:lol:

Read Jason's post again Iain

 

[itfciain]

:lol:

Read Jason's post again Iain

Yes, English has never been my strong point - wonder how they graded 90 with pin hole ? And what AFA put them down to if they didn't count against condition

 

[spoons]

They look fairly meant, AFA haven't covered themselves in glory over this and I dont think they even questioned them.

None of us really noticed them before this thread - the beauty of the forum

 

[mr_palitoy]

:lol:

Read Jason's post again Iain

Yes, English has never been my strong point - wonder how they graded 90 with pin hole ? And what AFA put them down to if they didn't count against condition

Some of the bubbles even had corner splits on them and subgraded 95. You can see the full assessment of them all here:-

http://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=19154

cheers Jason

 

[_Lee_]

Stinger,

Can you put up a photo of the TFP again please bud ? Ive been researching this particular back this week and would like to see yours again please mate.

Cheers

Lee

 

[Stinger]

Stinger,

Can you put up a photo of the TFP again please bud ? Ive been researching this particular back this week and would like to see yours again please mate.

Cheers

Lee

Here we go Lee! I can't upload bigger pics as it says file to large, let me know if you need a better resolution.
Pat

 

[edd_jedi]

Look what just popped up on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121821973255

Of course the idiots at AFA have graded it as a "round corners proof card" but it's actually an unused production cardback.

 

[mr_palitoy]

Look what just popped up on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121821973255

Of course the idiots at AFA have graded it as a "round corners proof card" but it's actually an unused production cardback.

Nice price. I wonder if Toni will be tempted to try and shift some of his on the quiet...



Jason

 

[_Lee_]

Funny thing is that the ******** probably could have made more money not reaseling the ******* things :lol:

 

[Alas-1]

Will he eventually sell them cards off is the question?

He'll confirm his guilt but he's got away with it so far?!

 

[jedisearcher]

I'd be pretty surprised if the stuff still exists. Surely there's a good chance that the whole lot ended up in the tip, particularly if he panicked when the whole sorry situation blew up. I vaguely remember Jason Joiner saying a dealer had been offered some cardbacks though so perhaps it wasn't destroyed.

 

[edd_jedi]

There's no way he would have destroyed them, I bet he has thousands still and knows exactly how much they're worth.

 

[Alas-1]

I'm with Edd on this one...

He still has boat loads of Kenner and Boat loads of Baggies and Boat loads of Mecanno Jawas from his casual eBay selling. He throws up about £400 a month.

He's a clever ****, has been for many, many years...

He's still got them alright!?

 

[edd_jedi]

I don't know about clever, lucky and in the right place at the right time I would say. He bought thousands of items for pennies that are now worth hundreds of pounds, and has been drip feeding them for nearly 30 years. The unused backing cards he had/has would now be worth far more than the fake MOCs he was making were, so if he were truly clever (and had any self respect) he would come clean on the fakes and start selling the cardbacks.

 

[theforceuk]

Think this guy has problems with any kind of respect.

 

[Grant_C]

This is interesting. It is known that TT had baggies of these. It is believed that these baggies were used for TFP 45back.

Baggies are useful as they can be (were) a cheaper alternative to MOC and have C10 figures.

Look at this fella:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/252351099132

Could that AFA code be useful to see what they destroyed this figure from?

 

[itfciain]

I always thought it would be funny if someone sent a TT in for Ugrading - wonder if AFA would Ugrade it or not ?

 

[mr_palitoy]

I always thought it would be funny if someone sent a TT in for Ugrading - wonder if AFA would Ugrade it or not ?

They reject any suspect Tonis now.

The funny thing with ugrading is that there exists somewhere an action figure which was:-

1) Handled by someone on the factory floor at Coalville when they slapped it on a card
2) Handled by and excited uber brat as he ripped it off the card one Xmas in 1980 something
3) Inserted up the dogs bottom for giggles by said uber brat
4) Handled by various toy collctors who owned over the years
5) Several of those who inserted it up their own bottom for giggles
6) Handled by Toy Toni when he slapped it on a cardback
7) Not before he inserted it up his own bottom for giggles
8) Handled by several other collectors who owned it
9) One of which had a dog which got at it
10) Handled by the AFA chimp when they opened said Toni
11) And then slapped a loose U90 grade on it.



Jason

 

[Mr-shifter]

Toni has sold plenty of ugrades in the past, mostly stuff he has loads of (hoth stormies for example). I did raise the point early on in this debate that if his alleged antics meant that any suspect graded moc should now be disregarded as fake then any u graded figure that was on his list should be disregarded as it is impossible for any grading agency to categorically confirm it was from a factory sealed moc.

But people that collect these things are selfish greedy ***** anyway so I don't suppose they would let common sense get in the way of destroying this hobby one piece at a time.

 

[Mr-shifter]

Anyhow. Didn't mean to derail the thread. An interesting observation grant. Perhaps he got hold of Baggie overstock (or potentially overstock figures). It would be great to get a bunch of these and investigate further coo consistencies or inconsistencies to get a better picture.

 

[Grant_C]

He bought a load of TFP baggies just before this all exploded.

 

[benny100]

Not to derail the interesting points you all raise, but he has a Jedi Bossk, Ig-88 and Power Droid all minty for under £100! Not saying they're suspect, just seem a decent price!

 

[Stargeezer]

I always thought it would be funny if someone sent a TT in for Ugrading - wonder if AFA would Ugrade it or not ?

They reject any suspect Tonis now.

The funny thing with ugrading is that there exists somewhere an action figure which was:-

1) Handled by someone on the factory floor at Coalville when they slapped it on a card
2) Handled by and excited uber brat as he ripped it off the card one Xmas in 1980 something
3) Inserted up the dogs bottom for giggles by said uber brat
4) Handled by various toy collctors who owned over the years
5) Several of those who inserted it up their own bottom for giggles
6) Handled by Toy Toni when he slapped it on a cardback
7) Not before he inserted it up his own bottom for giggles
8) Handled by several other collectors who owned it
9) One of which had a dog which got at it
10) Handled by the AFA chimp when they opened said Toni
11) And then slapped a loose U90 grade on it.



Jason

So basicly your saying, sticking vintage star wars figures up your bum won't harm them or take the paint off :lol:

 

[Per-Anders]

Hi!

This is my first post here, but I hope someone would be able to help me clarify this...

I have been offered this awesome Luke Skywalker (Hoth Battle Gear) MOC. Seller says it's not a TT item even though I have presented him the below text.

"Toni used the wrong bubble for Luke Skywalker (Hoth Battle Gear). The genuine example on the left uses a Tri-Logo style bubble with rounded corners with square corners on the back plate. You can see the square corners left in the imprint in the used cardback in the middle. The Toni on the right uses a rectangular bubble with square corners and rounded corners on the back plate."

Source: http://www.freewebs.com/mrpalitoy/rotj65dcardback.htm

He says that it is possible to see the factory pressing from the machine mounting the bubble and that some well-known collectors has verified it as genuine...

Any comments to this? :roll:

Thanks!

Best Regards, Per-Anders.

 

[x-pack]

Jesus! The forum's longest running thread

 

[spoons]

Think you need Jason for that Luke. Based on his write up I'd say it was a Toni but don't take that as gospel.

Toni's have really not lost their value. This one is undisclosed but a clear Toni and going for far too much cash.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112503375520

 

[ScruffyLookingNH]

Think you need Jason for that Luke. Based on his write up I'd say it was a Toni but don't take that as gospel.

Toni's have really not lost their value. This one is undisclosed but a clear Toni and going for far too much cash.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112503375520

Can't help but feel that's the undisclosed element causing that, though. No one in their right mind would hand over that amount for that. Some nice TT German cards ended today, Chewie, Stormtrooper, etc. and they were declared and achieved on average less than half of that. They were all graded 85 or better and had they not been and sold for £80 each I'd have been all over them