Resealed figure discovery debate - G.Kurtz Palitoy VC Jawa.

[sith-smith]

That's exactly how people speak in my part of London

Wonder if this whole affair has had any impact on Toni and his trading?

 

[edd_jedi]

Wonder if this whole affair has had any impact on Toni and his trading?

Well it's obviously killed his sales of the Palitoy TOCs but he's still selling Kenner and Trilogo MOCs, and unsurprisingly loads of graded and ungraded loose figures :roll:

 

[sith-smith]

Is he not still selling MOC via eBay and his Website?

 

[lee gray]

Wouldnt it have been funny if the palitoy employees sale at vectis would have had some of the carded/ bubble figure variations on tonis list.

 

[Lafos]

Opinions !?

 

[ScruffyLookingNH]

Without checking the list, I'd call TT on that one for the following reasons: card is too good, bubble out of position, don't like the look of that seal one bit and finally, I'm not sure, but didn't 45b backs have the weapon taped to the inside of the bubble?

*EDIT* just checked the list and there were 264 TFP Palitoy 45b ESB cardbacks bought by TT, so this is definitely on the list. So yes, I'd say it's a TT. Have you bought it or is it up for sale somewhere?

 

[Stinger]

Unfortunately I bought it an Lafos asked for me here! I have two other ESB cards which I bought and not sure as well

 

[Stinger]

This one

 

[Stinger]

And Yoda

 

[_Lee_]

All the kenners are legit. I think the Palitoy TFP is genuine. actually im sure of it.

 

[ScruffyLookingNH]

All the kenners are legit. I think the Palitoy TFP is genuine. actually im sure of it.

Go on, Lee, where have I got it wrong? Edumalacate me, please. Personally I'd avoid it like the plague and I'd hate to pass up something like that if genuine!

Have checked and 45b (only have one) that I have and the weapon is loose, so that's OK. But I'm still not convinced about the seal though, nor the off centre bubble. Toni did put some double stemmed bubble on this cardback, too. Dammit, thought I'd got the whole TT spotting thing sorted :/

 

[edd_jedi]

Can you post a close up of the seal around the bottom by the prongs?

 

[spoons]

I'd be concerned with the TFP as it has the central bubble with the pin sized holes which rings a few alarms - I'd say fake

the gun not being taped isn't an issue IMO

 

[Stinger]

I thing regarding the TFP it is clear! I received some feedback from echo base UK on FB and the answer was 100% TT! Yoda and IC on Kenner should be ok

 

[ScruffyLookingNH]

I'd hand fire on being so sure. There's split opinion on it being a TT. Personally, I think it is but as Edd says, a photo from between the bubble stems will help as will an angled shot of the rear to see if there is any impression or the bubble at all. Don't write it off just yet....

 

[_Lee_]

I'd hand fire on being so sure. There's split opinion on it being a TT. Personally, I think it is but as Edd says, a photo from between the bubble stems will help as will an angled shot of the rear to see if there is any impression or the bubble at all. Don't write it off just yet....

Well said my man

I really think its not a TT but as Edd said better photo of the bubble stem area would help plus the card rear.

Too many MOCs are being written off as TT when they are not.

 

[Stinger]

I will send some pics tomorrow, keep my fingers crossed

 

[_Lee_]

I'd hand fire on being so sure. There's split opinion on it being a TT. Personally, I think it is but as Edd says, a photo from between the bubble stems will help as will an angled shot of the rear to see if there is any impression or the bubble at all. Don't write it off just yet....

Well said my man

I really think its not a TT but as Edd said better photo of the bubble stem area would help plus the card rear.

Too many MOCs are being written off as TT when they are not.

Just to add that after further pictures are added , if it is a TT i will hold my hands up and admit i was wrong.

 

[Palifan]

I'm just really happy that this thread finally got to 200 pages!

Ian

 

[Stinger]

I will send some pics tomorrow, keep my fingers crossed

 

[edd_jedi]

The seal doesn't look good IMO, if you look at round bubbles sealed using the pronged press, the two gaps for the prongs are very defined. Yours isn't very well sealed around the edges of the prongs, there are big gaps.

 

[edd_jedi]

For example here, look how defined the two seal gaps are:

 

[Stinger]

So it is not properly ironed I know why I usually only collect boxed vehicles and lose figures..

 

[spoons]

I'd hand fire on being so sure. There's split opinion on it being a TT. Personally, I think it is but as Edd says, a photo from between the bubble stems will help as will an angled shot of the rear to see if there is any impression or the bubble at all. Don't write it off just yet....

As yet none of the bubbles with irregularly spaced pin holes have been seen on genuine MOCs. The pin hole bubbles also have double stems

Happy to be proved wrong but that's the biggest tell to me

 

[edd_jedi]

Here's one that came up for sale on Facebook today that was clearly shop sold. Look how much better the seal is all around, especially by the prongs. This bubble is also placed closer to the left edge of the card.

 

[steve obi wan]

Always good for experts to share knowledge , great thread !

 

[edd_jedi]

Haha well I don't consider myself an expert, and as many have said there is no way of proving this 100% one way or the other without either a time machine or a Toy Toni confession, which isn't going to happen. So our best bet of guessing 'beyond reasonable doubt' is comparing to 100% legit examples.

 

[Stinger]

I really appreciate your help guys! I will leave it in my collection, and if I will sell it someday I mention potential TT card

 

[mr_palitoy]

Late to the party. That tfp looks like a Toni to me.

Cheers Jason

 

[_Lee_]

I really appreciate your help guys! I will leave it in my collection, and if I will sell it someday I mention potential TT card

Make sure you do mate

Its such a shame that this has completely wrecked Palitoy MOC collecting. Going by Edds comments and your closer photos, id lean to being cautious with this one. Im not 100% sure on this one now, but ive been sure of others in the past ( recent Chewbaccas spring to mind ) but its fast becoming a minefield. Trust me, ive been around a long time, and even im struggling at times. Ive studied this since day one, and even i get miffed on some. However, i also beleive that too many are being told their items are fake, especially when they are not-and that is dangerous.

There will never be any proof of these, unless Toni comes clean. No one can tell is everything is fake or not, there is always speculation but there is never a guarantee. I will always help where i can, and will listen to all sides even if it proves me wrong. You have to respect others at a times.